Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:18 am
From Politico:
Same Party, Different House
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Thank your friend for me, please.CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:22 am From a friend:
A week ago, a recount was requested in Wisconsin’s Dane and Milwaukee counties by the Trump campaign. For the past 5 days, poll workers in these two counties have been recounting ballots. They will take a break tomorrow for Thanksgiving, but this recount in Dane and Milwaukee counties will countinue until it’s completed, with a deadline of next Tuesday, December 1st.
Madison, Wisconsin, where my family and I have lived for the past 25 years, is the county seat for Dane County.
I’ve taken the opportunity to be a Biden campaign observer at the Monona Terrace Convention & Community Center held- Dane County recount, this past Friday, Saturday and Monday.
What I saw there was that the intent of the Trump campaign was not for this to be about a recount or exposing voter fraud, but rather an opportunity to challenge and object to anything and everything on the Dane Co. absentee ballots and absentee envelopes.
The Trump campaign observers at the Dane County recount (the folks who I met were bussed-in or carpooled up from the Janesville & Milton area and others who I met came from out-of-state) had a list in front of them and were objecting to and trying to challenge thinks like:
-the clerks initials on the ballots being typed instead of signed (this is allowable)
- no votes in the down-ballot elections (this, of course is allowable)
-stray pen marks on the ballots (there is nothing wrong with this)
-the envelopes not having a postmark on them (so many absentee ballots were of course hand-delivered to the clerks office)
-the address labels for the voter on the absentee envelopes all looking the same (these of course were created by the clerk’s office not the voter)
I am so proud of my State and County in the way that they have handled this process deliberately and with transparency and integrity. And yes, while it was uncomfortable at times being there, I did have some delightful conversations about life with the Trump campaign observers. This experience has helped me to realize that while we disagree on politics, we really do have so much in common...and I hope so for them too.
What’s the read on todays ruling to have a hearing on this suit?seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:19 pmBart, here is the DNC's response to the Kelly Complaint:Bart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:18 amDoes this just get them closer to being heard at the Supreme Court level? If dismissed at the Third Circuit is that the last remedy?
Also, does the Rep Kelly lawsuit have any shot to connect? Seems to me as knowing nothing about the law...........that this has no shot?
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... ef.pdf.pdf
Long shot would be kind.
If we are talking about the same case, the more significant aspect of this ruling is that it purports to enjoin Pennsylvania from doing something they have already done. Assuming the state has fully completed the certification process, this order is, in effect, a nullity.
A stay is a stoppage of a proceeding? Is that correct?njbill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:47 pmIf we are talking about the same case, the more significant aspect of this ruling is that it purports to enjoin Pennsylvania from doing something they have already done. Assuming the state has fully completed the certification process, this order is, in effect, a nullity.
On the other hand, it does signify that there is at least one judge who wants to try to put things on hold until a hearing is held on Friday.
This ruling was by a single intermediate appellate court judge. Even if that court were to issue a ruling favorable to T****, there is zero chance the Pennsylvania Supreme Court wouldn’t reverse the decision.
Update: Pennsylvania has appealed the appellate court’s injunction to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court which, according to press reports, stays the appellate court’s decision.
As I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. The reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Yes. If the commentator’s statement is correct, Pennsylvania’s appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court stays the appellate judge’s injunction order. That would mean that Pennsylvania is no longer enjoined from taking any further action to certify the presidential election.Bart wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:46 pmA stay is a stoppage of a proceeding? Is that correct?njbill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:47 pmIf we are talking about the same case, the more significant aspect of this ruling is that it purports to enjoin Pennsylvania from doing something they have already done. Assuming the state has fully completed the certification process, this order is, in effect, a nullity.
On the other hand, it does signify that there is at least one judge who wants to try to put things on hold until a hearing is held on Friday.
This ruling was by a single intermediate appellate court judge. Even if that court were to issue a ruling favorable to T****, there is zero chance the Pennsylvania Supreme Court wouldn’t reverse the decision.
Update: Pennsylvania has appealed the appellate court’s injunction to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court which, according to press reports, stays the appellate court’s decision.
Does the court need to lift the stay at any time? Can they effectively kill the measure this way?
I don't have a clue regarding the law. Thank you for answering these q's
Maybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
Interesting. Thanksnjbill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:32 pmYes. If the commentator’s statement is correct, Pennsylvania’s appeal to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court stays the appellate judge’s injunction order. That would mean that Pennsylvania is no longer enjoined from taking any further action to certify the presidential election.Bart wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:46 pmA stay is a stoppage of a proceeding? Is that correct?njbill wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:47 pmIf we are talking about the same case, the more significant aspect of this ruling is that it purports to enjoin Pennsylvania from doing something they have already done. Assuming the state has fully completed the certification process, this order is, in effect, a nullity.
On the other hand, it does signify that there is at least one judge who wants to try to put things on hold until a hearing is held on Friday.
This ruling was by a single intermediate appellate court judge. Even if that court were to issue a ruling favorable to T****, there is zero chance the Pennsylvania Supreme Court wouldn’t reverse the decision.
Update: Pennsylvania has appealed the appellate court’s injunction to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court which, according to press reports, stays the appellate court’s decision.
Does the court need to lift the stay at any time? Can they effectively kill the measure this way?
I don't have a clue regarding the law. Thank you for answering these q's
Given that PA has already certified the presidential election, however, this is all much ado about nothing.
I’m not positive about this, but if Trump wants the stay lifted, I think he needs to request that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court lift the stay and/or enjoin Pennsylvania from taking further action to certify the election (which, again, they have already done).
The Supreme Court could effectively kill the case by refusing to enjoin Pennsylvania from proceeding with certification and delaying it until after the December 8 safe harbor deadline. I think it is unlikely they will do that. I imagine they will rule pretty quickly.
Regardless of the twists and turns this case takes, at the end of the day, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which has five Democratic justices and two Republican ones, will rule in the PA’s favor.
Theoretically, Trump could then try to appeal to the US Supreme Court.
Is fabricating charge on Old Salt's list of felonies that "don't count"? You've made up so many excuses as to why breaking the law is ok that I've lost track.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 pmMaybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
...& you want to further criminalize politics.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pmIs fabricating charge on Old Salt's list of felonies that "don't count"? You've made up so many excuses as to why breaking the law is ok that I've lost track.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 pmMaybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
Thanks in advance......
Says they guy who complained about using the US Government to go after political enemies......and then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:13 pm...& you want to further criminalize politics.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pmIs fabricating charge on Old Salt's list of felonies that "don't count"? You've made up so many excuses as to why breaking the law is ok that I've lost track.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 pmMaybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
Thanks in advance......
...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:32 pmSays they guy who complained about using the US Government to go after political enemies......and then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:13 pm...& you want to further criminalize politics.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pmIs fabricating charge on Old Salt's list of felonies that "don't count"? You've made up so many excuses as to why breaking the law is ok that I've lost track.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 pmMaybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
Thanks in advance......
Jury has returned, OS. Your feelings about US law, and ethics in governance are ENTIRELY dependent on the political party affiliation of the people involved. I don't understand why you think this way, but here we are.....
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:39 pm...then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:32 pmSays they guy who complained about using the US Government to go after political enemies......and then turned right around and told us that that's super cool, so long as we're going after Biden and the little D by his name.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:13 pm...& you want to further criminalize politics.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:11 pmIs fabricating charge on Old Salt's list of felonies that "don't count"? You've made up so many excuses as to why breaking the law is ok that I've lost track.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:45 pmMaybe there's still time to fabricate some charges against Carter Page too, so he can be pardoned.Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:18 pmAs I understand it, there may still be some justice at some point. he reason Flynn/Powell were trying to get out of the guilty plea is that by accepting a pardon Flynn ADMITS GUILT to the crime he is pardoned for and in any future cases he can no longer plead the 5th in response to questions from a potential prosecutor in any procedings connected to that case.
Expect that Bannon, Gates, Manfort, Giuliani, Papadop and Broidy are also on track for pardons as well as family members (including Jared's father) and, of course to attempt to pardon himself.
Thanks in advance......
Jury has returned, OS. Your feelings about US law, and ethics in governance are ENTIRELY dependent on the political party affiliation of the people involved. I don't understand why you think this way, but here we are.....
example please. I wanted the facts on the Biden family foreign influence peddling to become public. I never expected or called for them to be criminalized. I preferred the media do the snooping with the same vigor they brought to Trump family business dealings. Rudy was not a govt agent or operating covertly. He was trying to do the same thing that Glenn Simpson & Christopher Steele did for HRC & DNC, just not as effectively. He & Trump were not as slick as their predecessors.
No problemo. Trump, using the power of his office to call another world leader, asking him to announce a fake investigation into the Biden Family?
Again, yet another 180 from your feelings on conflicts of interest in governance. You mocked anyone who dared point out TrumpFamily conflicts of interest. Mock after mock after mock.
Right. You want it both ways. You want to mock others for getting po'ed at the asinine Trump conflict....while out of the other side of your mouth, you want them to go after Hunter to your satisfaction.
Right. "Therefore" it was ok.....that's your sales pitch? Please. No one is this stupid.
FFS with these excuses, OS. Come on.