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Agreed. But his continuity within the party and for the 2024 election appears to be based on a platform that he was jobbed in this election by a fraud that doesn't exist, not on any principled defense of why Loeffler and Perdue should be in the Senate.
Does this just get them closer to being heard at the Supreme Court level? If dismissed at the Third Circuit is that the last remedy?
your vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
I believe “impact” is a better choice of words, but I can see where “meaningful” would also do.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
Absolutely false.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
i was speaking about the takes above. in this instance, that an r vote in maryland is meaningless. and that an r vote would count in a national popular election but not in an electoral college one in maryland.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:30 pmAbsolutely false.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
Wyoming gets 3 electoral votes for a population of around 568,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~189,000
California gets 55 electoral votes for a population of around 37,300,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~678,000
For a California vote to count the. exact. same. as a Wyoming vote, California would need about 197 electoral votes.
As usual, you're interpreting with your head up your ass. Stone is advocating just the opposite of what I'm saying.Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:59 amThat said, it seems that you and Roger Stone are using the same hymnal - what a surprise
https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-sto ... e-majority
Bart, here is the DNC's response to the Kelly Complaint:Bart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:18 amDoes this just get them closer to being heard at the Supreme Court level? If dismissed at the Third Circuit is that the last remedy?
Also, does the Rep Kelly lawsuit have any shot to connect? Seems to me as knowing nothing about the law...........that this has no shot?
At what number does the marginal value cross the 0 threshold and who is it? At what point in an election does one determine their vote is meaningless so why bother?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:40 pmi was speaking about the takes above. in this instance, that an r vote in maryland is meaningless. and that an r vote would count in a national popular election but not in an electoral college one in maryland.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:30 pmAbsolutely false.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
Wyoming gets 3 electoral votes for a population of around 568,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~189,000
California gets 55 electoral votes for a population of around 37,300,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~678,000
For a California vote to count the. exact. same. as a Wyoming vote, California would need about 197 electoral votes.
wasn't comparing states, as that wasn't brought up or addressed. though i can see how that could read. he can only live in one state. wyoming also gets more congressmen/women per pop, too. sure, your vote can go to the final tally, and could be on the winning side instead of the losing where it gets cut off halfway.... the reverse is also true.
but my point is the talk was about how his individual vote would mean something in the construct. practical. the reality is, his individual vote is meaningless in a national election. it has a marginal value of nothing in practical terms for settling an election. dem, rep, indy. what presidential election has been turned by one vote in the last 100 years? 200 years? a voter in maryland or anywhere else? no one will ever notice that vote (except him). and the idea that your vote counts more in a swing state vs. a red or blue state is even sillier. imo. because it'll be closer?
if you start talking about the collective you (all republicans in maryland), that's a different argument. obviously, we all vote for reasons other than practicality. thankfully.
unless you have some way of getting others to vote or not (which is a different discussion) the answer to your first 2 questions are +1 to the winning side and that person does not exist. because he or she is replaced by #2 without their vote. and/or everyone after them. and before them.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:09 pmAt what number does the marginal value cross the 0 threshold and who is it? At what point in an election does one determine their vote is meaningless so why bother?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:40 pmi was speaking about the takes above. in this instance, that an r vote in maryland is meaningless. and that an r vote would count in a national popular election but not in an electoral college one in maryland.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:30 pmAbsolutely false.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
Wyoming gets 3 electoral votes for a population of around 568,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~189,000
California gets 55 electoral votes for a population of around 37,300,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~678,000
For a California vote to count the. exact. same. as a Wyoming vote, California would need about 197 electoral votes.
wasn't comparing states, as that wasn't brought up or addressed. though i can see how that could read. he can only live in one state. wyoming also gets more congressmen/women per pop, too. sure, your vote can go to the final tally, and could be on the winning side instead of the losing where it gets cut off halfway.... the reverse is also true.
but my point is the talk was about how his individual vote would mean something in the construct. practical. the reality is, his individual vote is meaningless in a national election. it has a marginal value of nothing in practical terms for settling an election. dem, rep, indy. what presidential election has been turned by one vote in the last 100 years? 200 years? a voter in maryland or anywhere else? no one will ever notice that vote (except him). and the idea that your vote counts more in a swing state vs. a red or blue state is even sillier. imo. because it'll be closer?
if you start talking about the collective you (all republicans in maryland), that's a different argument. obviously, we all vote for reasons other than practicality. thankfully.
Thanks for engaging me. That’s about what I was looking for...wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:42 pmunless you have some way of getting others to vote or not (which is a different discussion) the answer to your first 2 questions are +1 to the winning side and that person does not exist. because he or she is replaced by #2 without their vote. and/or everyone after them. and before them.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:09 pmAt what number does the marginal value cross the 0 threshold and who is it? At what point in an election does one determine their vote is meaningless so why bother?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:40 pmi was speaking about the takes above. in this instance, that an r vote in maryland is meaningless. and that an r vote would count in a national popular election but not in an electoral college one in maryland.holmes435 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:30 pmAbsolutely false.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:01 amyour vote has the exact same level of "meaning" for a national election whether you are in a swing state, betting the heavy favorite or underdog for your state, electoral college or popular vote.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:50 pmThat ain’t going to happen anytime soon. Better to do what I can.holmes435 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:48 pmGet rid of the EC and your vote for president would actually count in MDyouthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:37 pmI did vote for him twice, no argument....no way could I pull the lever for Hillary. And as I noted many times, living in MD an (r) vote is meaningless unless we are trying to make a statement that MD needs more Red....which helps the Hogan cause.
If you wanna go further... lobby for ranked choice voting and you'll never have to worry about a Trump-like candidate with ~25% popularity in your party (initially) winning the primary either.
the. exact. same.
Wyoming gets 3 electoral votes for a population of around 568,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~189,000
California gets 55 electoral votes for a population of around 37,300,000 from the 2010 census. 1 electoral vote per ~678,000
For a California vote to count the. exact. same. as a Wyoming vote, California would need about 197 electoral votes.
wasn't comparing states, as that wasn't brought up or addressed. though i can see how that could read. he can only live in one state. wyoming also gets more congressmen/women per pop, too. sure, your vote can go to the final tally, and could be on the winning side instead of the losing where it gets cut off halfway.... the reverse is also true.
but my point is the talk was about how his individual vote would mean something in the construct. practical. the reality is, his individual vote is meaningless in a national election. it has a marginal value of nothing in practical terms for settling an election. dem, rep, indy. what presidential election has been turned by one vote in the last 100 years? 200 years? a voter in maryland or anywhere else? no one will ever notice that vote (except him). and the idea that your vote counts more in a swing state vs. a red or blue state is even sillier. imo. because it'll be closer?
if you start talking about the collective you (all republicans in maryland), that's a different argument. obviously, we all vote for reasons other than practicality. thankfully.
to the latter... hopefully never. unfortunately, in reality that's not really the case. they hear or have conversations that suggest as much, or calculate it that way themselves ... and decide their civic duty/support enthusiasm/exercise of the right doesn't override their practical plight.
I think much of this has to do with Yellen taking over at Treasury, from one of the bigger hacks ever to blunder into a cabinet post. Excising Navarro, Mnuch, and Larry "Foster Brooks" Kudlow from the economic lever pressing can only be helpful.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:20 pm Trump is hating this...
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/24 ... akes-shape
Thanks for that. Interesting read. Don’t know if I understand all the particulars but i get the general gist of it.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:19 pmBart, here is the DNC's response to the Kelly Complaint:Bart wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:18 amDoes this just get them closer to being heard at the Supreme Court level? If dismissed at the Third Circuit is that the last remedy?
Also, does the Rep Kelly lawsuit have any shot to connect? Seems to me as knowing nothing about the law...........that this has no shot?
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... ef.pdf.pdf
Long shot would be kind.
The folks I know were enthusiastic to get a “businessman” in...when they realized he was a fool, they wanted Biden this time around. These people wanted just a normal person.ggait wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:27 pm Trump (despite his claims otherwise) wasn't necessarily what the markets wanted.
Tax cuts are always welcomed by investors. But China trade war is bad for business. Covid is bad for business. And constant cray cray is bad for business.
Having qualified people running the government (even if Dems) is good for business. Normal is better for business than crazy.
I don't think so, OS. Trump has a loyal base of (I'm guessing) about 50 million that are more loyal to him than to the republican platform. Frankly, if the Dems get the senate, Trump can rail the way he likes -- and everything that aggrieves him will be Democrat-caused.