Miscellaneous questions, thoughts, impressions, etc.

[Bart]

That is the only point. Some on the team will never get the opportunity back. It’s a shame.

That can be said about any team on the bubble that is left out. Including those you originally listed. Someone gets shafted every year...this year ASU imo.

[Mrs@inthe8m]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

[wlaxphan20]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

[Bart]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

[wlaxphan20]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

This year, academic juniors at an Ivy League school likely played their first meaningful lacrosse games since high school

[Dr. Tact]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

[wlaxphan20]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

No haha I am just more confused

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-denies-ex ... 00336.html

[@inthe8m]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

This was definitely the case pre-COVID. You had 5 years from the day you stepped on a campus to complete 4 years of competition. You could petition for a 6th year on a case-by-case basis that were usually only granted for athletes who had significant injuries documented that caused them to miss multiple years of competition. I am aware of some "6th years" in wlax, but I believe they all had significant injures that led to them missing a year.

[wlaxphan20]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

This was definitely the case pre-COVID. You had 5 years from the day you stepped on a campus to complete 4 years of competition. You could petition for a 6th year on a case-by-case basis that were usually only granted for athletes who had significant injuries documented that caused them to miss multiple years of competition. I am aware of some "6th years" in wlax, but I believe they all had significant injures that led to them missing a year.

Yes I believe Geiger & Gait were 2

[hmmm]

If we are limited to these three teams only – who will attract and snag the most coveted transfers in the off-season?

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College

There's already an AA player transferring into MD next year from a top 10 program. The answer to your question will always be MD and UNC. MD also has an advantage as many girls from MD go elsewhere and can transfer in and receive in-state tuition. And UNC will always get just about whoever they want.

graduate transfer? or a transfer with more than 1 year left?

Well she was a senior this year but she's got 2 years left potentially just like Bosco has.

Gotcha, is she from an Ivy then? Or has 2 years left for other reasons

It is hard to imagine one of the upper class players from an Ivy who withdrew from school and thus have 2 years left would forego their chance to complete their 4th year and earn their Ivy degree. Way too much invested … in every sense of the word. Stranger things, tho …

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

Abby Bosco is returning to MD next year so they get 2 post grad years. She played at Penn as a Fresh and Soph. Junior was the 2020 year that didn't count and then in 2021 the Ivys didn't play. So she still had 2 years to play when she got to MD. Next year's transfer to MD is also from an Ivy. She was in the same class as Abby and also played this year so next year at MD will be her last year of eligibility.

[@inthe8m]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

[Mrs@inthe8m]

It's possible to get the ivy degree and still have two years left to play, isn't it? For example: 2018 1st year, 2019 2nd year, 2020 canceled season but completed 3rd year academically, 2021 withdrew, 2022 3rd year and completed 4 year degree. Only three of five years of athletic eligibility used. Grad transfer with two years could also happen with a non-ivy player who lost a season to injury plus has the covid year.

Yup! That’s what I was trying to describe in my original question, but you said it better

The COVID year...the gift that keeps on giving.

I thought that in normal times you got 4 years eligibility within 5 years of matriculation. I would think the year that was withdrawn would still count...maybe i am wrong. I think the scenario above would allow 1 year for post grad, not 2. Anyone know what is the actual answer?

I think you are correct. The canceled covid season changed 4 years/5 years to 5 years/6 years so the example I gave would have one year left. Bosco should have two because she did not withdraw, but only played two seasons during 4 years at Penn. I think...it gets confusing...

[Bart]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

[@inthe8m]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Who knows with the NCAA, the petitions are case-by-case. It is possible that Ivy League student athletes who withdrew from school for the 2021 season will have a case for getting the 6th year.

[hmmm]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

[wlaxphan20]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I was definitely thinking too hard about it haha

[Bart]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

From the NCAA site....

"Winter sport student-athletes who compete during 2020-21 in Division I will receive both an additional season of competition and an additional year in which to complete it, the Division I Council decided. The same flexibility was provided to student-athletes after the spring season was canceled in 2020 and the fall season was seriously impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic."

"The pandemic will continue to impact winter sport seasons in ways we can't predict. Council members opted to provide for winter sport student-athletes the same flexibility given spring and fall sports previously," said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania. "The actions today ensure the continuation of local decision-making in the best interest of each institution and its student-athletes."

So from reading this the 2020 season should not have counted and the athlete in question should have another year? If this is the case then why would he not get another? What you wrote made sense to me until I read this....... What am I missing?

[hmmm]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

From the NCAA site....

"Winter sport student-athletes who compete during 2020-21 in Division I will receive both an additional season of competition and an additional year in which to complete it, the Division I Council decided. The same flexibility was provided to student-athletes after the spring season was canceled in 2020 and the fall season was seriously impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic."

"The pandemic will continue to impact winter sport seasons in ways we can't predict. Council members opted to provide for winter sport student-athletes the same flexibility given spring and fall sports previously," said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania. "The actions today ensure the continuation of local decision-making in the best interest of each institution and its student-athletes."

So from reading this the 2020 season should not have counted and the athlete in question should have another year? If this is the case then why would he not get another? What you wrote made sense to me until I read this....... What am I missing?

He did not compete in the 2020-21 season. He competed in 2017-18, 2018-19, and 2019-20 at Princeton. He received his extra year for 2020-21 and played this year(2021-22) thus exhausting his 4 full years of eligibility.

Lacrosse players received an additional season for replacement of the 2019-20 academic year. The two laxers played in 2018 and 2019. The 2020 spring season was canceled nationwide so they get credit for that year. The 2021 spring season was only canceled by the Ivy league so they did not use a year of eligibility that year either. They both played this 2022 spring season leaving them one more year to complete their 4 years of eligibility. Jerome played his 4th season this winter. No one was granted a 5th full season of competition due to Covid.

[Bart]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

From the NCAA site....

"Winter sport student-athletes who compete during 2020-21 in Division I will receive both an additional season of competition and an additional year in which to complete it, the Division I Council decided. The same flexibility was provided to student-athletes after the spring season was canceled in 2020 and the fall season was seriously impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic."

"The pandemic will continue to impact winter sport seasons in ways we can't predict. Council members opted to provide for winter sport student-athletes the same flexibility given spring and fall sports previously," said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania. "The actions today ensure the continuation of local decision-making in the best interest of each institution and its student-athletes."

So from reading this the 2020 season should not have counted and the athlete in question should have another year? If this is the case then why would he not get another? What you wrote made sense to me until I read this....... What am I missing?

He did not compete in the 2020-21 season. He competed in 2017-18, 2018-19, and 2019-20 at Princeton. He received his extra year for 2020-21 and played this year(2021-22) thus exhausting his 4 full years of eligibility.

Lacrosse players received an additional season for replacement of the 2019-20 academic year. The two laxers played in 2018-19 and 2019-20. The 2020 spring season was canceled nationwide so they get credit for that year. The 2021 spring season was only canceled by the Ivy league so they did not use a year of eligibility that year either. They both played this 2022 spring season leaving them one more year to complete their 4 years of eligibility. Jerome played his 4th season this winter. No one was granted a 5th full season of competition due to Covid.

You must have typed that slow so I got it now. Thanks.

Still have qualms with the COVID year

[hmmm]

According to the article above, you have to petition for a 6th year and it appears that the NCAA is not giving 6th years for players impacted by the Ivy League not playing in 2021.

So this would suggest what for the two MD players? Am I counting wrong or would both be at 6?

Different COVID rules for winter and spring athletes. Jerome played 3 full seasons prior to Covid. He Played full seasons his Fresh-Junior year with the exception of the tournament being canceled. Winter athletes were granted an additional year for the 2020-2021 season. Spring athletes were granted an extra year for the 2020 season. So, this year was Jerome's 4th full season playing basketball.

In the case of the 2 lacrosse players in question, this 2022 season was only their 3rd full season so they each have one more to play.

From the NCAA site....

"Winter sport student-athletes who compete during 2020-21 in Division I will receive both an additional season of competition and an additional year in which to complete it, the Division I Council decided. The same flexibility was provided to student-athletes after the spring season was canceled in 2020 and the fall season was seriously impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic."

"The pandemic will continue to impact winter sport seasons in ways we can't predict. Council members opted to provide for winter sport student-athletes the same flexibility given spring and fall sports previously," said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Pennsylvania. "The actions today ensure the continuation of local decision-making in the best interest of each institution and its student-athletes."

So from reading this the 2020 season should not have counted and the athlete in question should have another year? If this is the case then why would he not get another? What you wrote made sense to me until I read this....... What am I missing?

He did not compete in the 2020-21 season. He competed in 2017-18, 2018-19, and 2019-20 at Princeton. He received his extra year for 2020-21 and played this year(2021-22) thus exhausting his 4 full years of eligibility.

Lacrosse players received an additional season for replacement of the 2019-20 academic year. The two laxers played in 2018-19 and 2019-20. The 2020 spring season was canceled nationwide so they get credit for that year. The 2021 spring season was only canceled by the Ivy league so they did not use a year of eligibility that year either. They both played this 2022 spring season leaving them one more year to complete their 4 years of eligibility. Jerome played his 4th season this winter. No one was granted a 5th full season of competition due to Covid.

You must have typed that slow so I got it now. Thanks.

Still have qualms with the COVID year

Oh I totally agree on how the Covid year was handled. Should have only been given to seniors in 2020. The ripple effect of 4 classes getting an extra year is really devastating to a lot of players that were in HS at the time. Those kids lost a year just like kids in college did. And now they get to college and in many cases are in essence losing a year(or more) of playing time because there are 5th years at their position for the next 2-3 years.