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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
seacoaster wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:51 pm Duce needs to put up $7,900,000 in advance for the recount in Wisconsin:

"President Trump’s campaign has until 6 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday to pay $7.9 million if it wants to pursue a recount of the state’s 3.2 million ballots. The Wisconsin Elections Commission announced the recount cost on Monday after receiving estimates from all 72 of the state’s counties.

The estimate is about four times the cost of Wisconsin’s 2016 presidential recount, which came in at around $2 million. Meagan Wolfe, Wisconsin’s chief election official, said the higher bill is partly because of coronavirus protocols that need to be followed, including the “need for larger spaces to permit public observation and social distancing.”

If the Trump campaign requests the recount and pays the cost upfront, a recount would begin Thursday and must be completed by Dec. 1, the commission said. Wisconsin law requires the election to be certified by the commission on Dec. 1. Unofficial results show that President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. beat Mr. Trump in Wisconsin by 20,470 votes — about 0.62 percent of the state’s vote. State law requires a campaign requesting a recount to pay for it if the margin is greater than 0.25 percent.

Mr. Trump has so far not acknowledged that he lost Wisconsin to Mr. Biden, and the state’s Republicans have largely followed his lead in refusing to say that Mr. Biden is the president-elect. The Wisconsin State Journal last week asked every elected Republican state legislator if Mr. Biden is the president-elect, and only one, who is retiring, said that he is.

Jenna Ellis, the legal adviser for Mr. Trump’s campaign, did not rule out requesting or paying for a recount in Wisconsin. “The legal team continues to examine the issues with irregularities in Wisconsin,” she said, “and are leaving all legal options open, including a recount and an audit.”

Wanna bet on this one? Paying up would surely cut into the grift.
Trump is worth billions...he can fund it.....unless all of his money is tied up in cash.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:41 pm
by kramerica.inc
Game over. Trump needs to concede and move on.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:03 am
by seacoaster
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:41 pm Game over. Trump needs to concede and move on.
The legal onslaught seems to be working like clockwork:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/1 ... -up-436924

"The game of musical chairs among lawyers pursuing President Donald Trump’s court challenges to the election results continued on Monday evening, as the campaign tried to replace the entire team handling the campaign’s federal lawsuit seeking to block certification of Pennsylvania’s results.

A court filing said Marc Scaringi, a Harrisburg, Pa., attorney, conservative talk radio host and former Senate candidate, was taking over the case. The move came just hours before a potentially make-or-break court hearing scheduled for Tuesday afternoon on motions by Pennsylvania state and county officials to dismiss the lawsuit.

The legal escapade devolved into farce on Monday night as the federal judge rejected a move by the campaign to postpone that key hearing.

Less than 90 minutes after the outgoing attorneys for the campaign assured U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann that “Scaringi is aware of the schedule set by the Court in this matter and will be prepared to proceed according to that schedule,” Scaringi asked the judge to put off the session, arguing that he was inadequately prepared.

“Having only been retained today, Plaintiffs’ new counsel need additional time to adequately prepare this case for the upcoming oral argument and evidentiary hearing,” Scaringi wrote. “Furthermore, this is a case of significant complexity and importance to the people of the United States of America.”

Brann, an appointee of President Barack Obama who sits in Williamsport, Pa., promptly denied the continuance without explanation — beyond noting that the request was filed at 7:40 P.M.

“Oral argument will take place as scheduled, tomorrow, November 17, 2020,” the judge wrote. “Counsel for the parties are expected to be prepared for argument and questioning.”

Brann also appeared to balk at the campaign’s attempt to swap out its entire legal team. He excused two Texas-based attorneys who just formally joined the case on Friday, but did not immediately release a Pennsylvania lawyer who has served as local counsel since the suit was filed a week ago.

The latest tumult in the Trump campaign’s legal lineup followed a rapid-fire series of similar switches in recent days. Just four days ago, an Ohio-based law firm handling the suit — Porter, Wright Morris & Arthur — begged off the case under pressure from Trump opponents who regard his lawsuits as frivolous and divisive.

A campaign spokesman said last week that those lawyers “buckled” under the liberal onslaught and would be replaced with “rock-solid attorneys.”

On Friday, Brann approved the addition of two Texas lawyers to represent the campaign — John Scott and Douglas Hughes. But Scott and Hughes lasted only one business day. The third attorney who sought to exit, Linda Kerns, is a Philadelphia-based solo practitioner.

The court filing making the formal request to upend the legal team offered only a terse phrase to explain the move, saying that the Trump campaign, two individual voters who joined in the suit and the departing lawyers had “reached a mutual agreement that Plaintiffs will be best served” by the shift.

A lawyer and spokeswoman for the campaign, Jenna Ellis, painted the last-minute transition as routine.

“The President announced Saturday that he has asked Mayor Rudy Giuliani to lead the national legal team, along with local counsel,” Ellis said in a statement, referring to Trump’s personal lawyer. “Our substitution of local counsel is consistent with routine managing of complex litigation.”

Asked how the ouster of two Texas-based attorneys could be described as part of a “substitution of local counsel,” Ellis told POLITICO she was referring to the teams handling litigation for the campaign in each state.

The move also came less than a day after the suit drew headlines over the filing of a revised complaint that withdrew legal claims relating to the alleged exclusion of Republican election observers from ballot counting rooms in Pennsylvania’s Democratic strongholds. The revision left as the central claim in the federal case the fact that some counties tried to notify voters who botched their mail-in ballots about the foul-ups so they could correct them, while other counties did not.

It is unclear whether the streamlining of the suit led to the ouster of the legal team, but Scaringi’s request for delay also said the campaign was planning to file a third version of its complaint.

Giuliani stressed on Sunday night that the second version of the complaint still mentioned the exclusion of the observers. He did not explain why the legal claims about them were dropped, although one case related to that issue is pending at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and challenges to other parts of the election process are pending in other state courts."

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:42 am
by Matnum PI
BREAKING: GA Secretary of State Raffensperger says Lindsey Graham pressured him to toss legal ballots. Graham needs to be arrested for this.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:34 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:45 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:24 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.
He included that to encourage die hard Trump supporters to throw in the towel. He'll be remembered as someone who answered the call to serve (again) & did the best he could for the country, for as long as he could.
Sorry, I missed this response. I'm not sure how you know or if you know that General Kelly included that phrase for that purpose.

I don't doubt Kelly's motivation for taking the DHS job or the COS job -- I can agree that he answered the call of duty for honorable purposes. I just know that both effectively diminished him in the eyes of a lot of Americans, which is the near uniform way of things with anyone who gets near Trump. For as long as he could? Not so sure I agree. I disagree with what I gather you consider an honorable silence after his departure from the White House. General Kelly knew to a moral certainty that the President was a clear and present danger to the country, to the national welfare, and I think had an obligation to indicate to the public that this was the case. We can agree to disagree about that.
Perhaps Gen Kelly judged it would be less damaging to quietly let Trump pass from the scene. He remains true to the military ethos of not being openly critical of those in the chain of command of which you are part.
And when does this purportedly 'honorable' ethos fail to be more important than other obligations?

Where's that line, Salty? Is there no line?

What a pile of BS.

Kelly is not in the military nor was he when he was in the White House. He had and has no obligation to 'not criticize' if he knows that Trump is a danger to our democracy and to our national security and all the more so if he was to be elected a second time.

"pass quietly from the scene"...anyone expecting Trump to do that has to be stupid, and I don't think that's true of Kelly. And of course, even losing the election was surely not to be assumed, regardless of polls.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:21 am
by DMac
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:41 pm Game over. Trump needs to concede and move on.
Yup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QybcBH6rSw

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:36 am
by Matnum PI
Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
6 mins ago
Several key members of the team that helped deliver the presidency for George W. Bush after the Florida recount in 2000 don't see a path for Donald Trump to overturn the election.

"Their airplane crashed on takeoff because they forgot to add fuel."

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:41 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Matnum PI wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:42 am BREAKING: GA Secretary of State Raffensperger says Lindsey Graham pressured him to toss legal ballots. Graham needs to be arrested for this.
Its a coup attempt.... the incoming US Attorney General needs to launch an investigation into Lindsey Graham.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:22 am
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:34 am
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:45 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:24 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.
He included that to encourage die hard Trump supporters to throw in the towel. He'll be remembered as someone who answered the call to serve (again) & did the best he could for the country, for as long as he could.
Sorry, I missed this response. I'm not sure how you know or if you know that General Kelly included that phrase for that purpose.

I don't doubt Kelly's motivation for taking the DHS job or the COS job -- I can agree that he answered the call of duty for honorable purposes. I just know that both effectively diminished him in the eyes of a lot of Americans, which is the near uniform way of things with anyone who gets near Trump. For as long as he could? Not so sure I agree. I disagree with what I gather you consider an honorable silence after his departure from the White House. General Kelly knew to a moral certainty that the President was a clear and present danger to the country, to the national welfare, and I think had an obligation to indicate to the public that this was the case. We can agree to disagree about that.
Perhaps Gen Kelly judged it would be less damaging to quietly let Trump pass from the scene. He remains true to the military ethos of not being openly critical of those in the chain of command of which you are part.
And when does this purportedly 'honorable' ethos fail to be more important than other obligations?

Where's that line, Salty? Is there no line?

What a pile of BS.

Kelly is not in the military nor was he when he was in the White House. He had and has no obligation to 'not criticize' if he knows that Trump is a danger to our democracy and to our national security and all the more so if he was to be elected a second time.

"pass quietly from the scene"...anyone expecting Trump to do that has to be stupid, and I don't think that's true of Kelly. And of course, even losing the election was surely not to be assumed, regardless of polls.
There are times MD when your ignorance of how military leaders hold certain values near and dear to their hearts is just stunning. Then again how could you ever understand that in the protected little world you grew up in. Gen. Kelly sacrificed his son for this country... What the f**k have you sacrificed, outside of letting your brother in law live in your basement.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:32 am
by Matnum PI
RT @kylegriffin1: 59 of the country's top computer scientists and election security experts rebuked Trump's baseless claims of voter fraud and hacking, writing that such assertions are "unsubstantiated or are technically incoherent." https://t.co/x5AiDnFAm0

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:41 am
by Farfromgeneva
But then that would make them ill equipped for decision making outside the environment those values were ingrained. A value based system for a specific system. But we’ve been told that wasn’t the case and that all servicemen are totally capable of managing in the non military world and could divorce that training. There’s a conflict in these arguments here.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:48 am
by seacoaster
Rescue 911: It's Rudy Time!!!

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... cation.pdf

The hearing is at 1:30.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:55 am
by Brooklyn
well, there is some truth to the idea that certain votes were under counted:


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most of these were from urban poor

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:58 am
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:22 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:34 am
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:45 pm
seacoaster wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:24 am
old salt wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.
He included that to encourage die hard Trump supporters to throw in the towel. He'll be remembered as someone who answered the call to serve (again) & did the best he could for the country, for as long as he could.
Sorry, I missed this response. I'm not sure how you know or if you know that General Kelly included that phrase for that purpose.

I don't doubt Kelly's motivation for taking the DHS job or the COS job -- I can agree that he answered the call of duty for honorable purposes. I just know that both effectively diminished him in the eyes of a lot of Americans, which is the near uniform way of things with anyone who gets near Trump. For as long as he could? Not so sure I agree. I disagree with what I gather you consider an honorable silence after his departure from the White House. General Kelly knew to a moral certainty that the President was a clear and present danger to the country, to the national welfare, and I think had an obligation to indicate to the public that this was the case. We can agree to disagree about that.
Perhaps Gen Kelly judged it would be less damaging to quietly let Trump pass from the scene. He remains true to the military ethos of not being openly critical of those in the chain of command of which you are part.
And when does this purportedly 'honorable' ethos fail to be more important than other obligations?

Where's that line, Salty? Is there no line?

What a pile of BS.

Kelly is not in the military nor was he when he was in the White House. He had and has no obligation to 'not criticize' if he knows that Trump is a danger to our democracy and to our national security and all the more so if he was to be elected a second time.

"pass quietly from the scene"...anyone expecting Trump to do that has to be stupid, and I don't think that's true of Kelly. And of course, even losing the election was surely not to be assumed, regardless of polls.
There are times MD when your ignorance of how military leaders hold certain values near and dear to their hearts is just stunning. Then again how could you ever understand that in the protected little world you grew up in. Gen. Kelly sacrificed his son for this country... What the f**k have you sacrificed, outside of letting your brother in law live in your basement.
You're out of bounds again with the personal attack, cradle.
Remember, you have no idea what sacrifices others have made.

We are discussing the choices Kelly as CoS and thereafter has made and why. He was not a military leader as such nor is he today. He was not in a military chain of command then nor is he today.

The military "leaders" I have known, including multiple generals and one admiral, are not the sorts who shirk responsibility for their choices. They hold others accountable, and would have themselves be held so as well.

They are not, however, perfect people. They too have made mistakes in their lives. As have we all.

There are indeed aspects of being in the military, in a chain of command, that are different from the civilian world, and generally with good reason, though there are, nevertheless, limitations of such. I asked Salty specifically about where, in his opinion, such line is drawn, if there is a line. If you have an opinion on that, by all means share.

But when a person with a military background leaves the military and enters the civilian world, the obligations of such change, markedly, and all the more so when one enters the political sphere and becomes a public figure with special obligations to our country which are quite different than those in the military.

That's not an opinion. It's reality.

Kelly chose to enter that political sphere as a civilian. And indeed into a position enabling the actions and decisions of the most divisive of political actors we have seen occupy that position in our lifetimes.

That was a choice, as were Kelly's various statements and actions during his tenure. As are the choices he's made thereafter.

And for all of which he is accountable.

It will be interesting to someday learn from Kelly his own version of the choices he made as CoS and thereafter. For now, his silence has been deafening.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:27 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:04 pm
by seacoaster
I am listening to Rudy in a Pennsylvania federal court, responding to the State's Motion to Dismiss. He's really bad, mistaking his audience I think.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:08 pm
by CU88
seacoaster wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:04 pm I am listening to Rudy in a Pennsylvania federal court, responding to the State's Motion to Dismiss. He's really bad, mistaking his audience I think.
Presidential Transition Live Updates: Giuliani Said to Seek $20,000 a Day From Trump Campaign for Election Cases.


Do you think he has a huge retainer, knowing that IMPOTUS o d has a history of not paying...

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:34 pm
by seacoaster
CU88 wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:08 pm
seacoaster wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:04 pm I am listening to Rudy in a Pennsylvania federal court, responding to the State's Motion to Dismiss. He's really bad, mistaking his audience I think.
Presidential Transition Live Updates: Giuliani Said to Seek $20,000 a Day From Trump Campaign for Election Cases.


Do you think he has a huge retainer, knowing that IMPOTUS o d has a history of not paying...
He just finished; totally dismal job. A true television rant in response to the Commonwealth's motion to dismiss.

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:38 pm
by CU88
A couple of posters here predicted this:




Justin Gray ⁦‪@JustinGrayWSB‬⁩

In new intv with me, ⁦‪@GaSecofState‬⁩ says 24,000 GOPs who voted absentee in primary did not vote in General - says Donald Trump cost himself the election by sowing distrust in absentee: "he would have won by 10 thousand votes he actually suppressed, depressed his own voting base"

11/17/20, 2:30 PM

Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:40 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
seacoaster wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:04 pm I am listening to Rudy in a Pennsylvania federal court, responding to the State's Motion to Dismiss. He's really bad, mistaking his audience I think.
Was his fly open and his shirt tail untucked?