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It's not just them. It's that Lafayette has played three presumably good teams and they've been stomped three times. If Loyola wants to be a good team, they'll stomp Lafayette too. 7-5 entering the fourth isn't good enough tomorrow. It needs to be a comprehensive showing.
Couldn't disagree more. The score is inconsequential. A win is a win. It doesn't matter if it is by 1 or 31.TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:05 pmIt's not just them. It's that Lafayette has played three presumably good teams and they've been stomped three times. If Loyola wants to be a good team, they'll stomp Lafayette too. 7-5 entering the fourth isn't good enough tomorrow. It needs to be a comprehensive showing.
Hey NovaHound, I live in NoVa too. I'm sure Peter will back you up, but I'm behind you too. I'm tired of the nonsense about dropped passes and turnovers. Loyola plays an up-tempo style of lacrosse, and these miscues are EXPECTED. We have a young offense, and we've won 3 games in a row after losing to the defending National Champs in a game where we outscored them in the second half, 6-3. Chill indeed!NovaHound wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:08 pmThank you PB for expressing my sentiments better than I can. If I wanted all of this negativity I'd hang out on the Hopkins thread.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:45 am
Well, the one thing I do not want to do is compare ourselves to JHU...they have their own issues without me piling on. Plus, I'm scared they will in fact fire Petro and thereby regain their elite lacrosse status. I pray they retain him!
I can't tell if some of these Fanlax Loyola board posters are trolls, or god's honest Loyola fans. Jesus mary and joseph, if Loyola doesn't start out every game with a 15-goal lead, for some here it's like our squad is the 'worst team in D1 history'. I mean, we lost 60% of our offense from last year, and are playing a ton of freshmen this year, you'd think you might wait until the regular season begins before lobbing metaphorical hand grenades.
If you've ever attended a game at the RAC, you'd see that we have some really passionate but generally really positive fans; I cheer for the other team if I see them make a sweet play tbh.
This Hounds team is on the younger side and plays with a ton of hustle...there's no way you'd harshly critique their every move if you actually support them. So, I don't know where some of these people do come from...but I have my suspicions, cough-Quint Kessenich-cough.
Some of this debbie-downer posting is a very unique lacrosse personality where unless you win the Natty by 20, your team is 'awful'. It's a weird perfection psychosis found in US lacrosse and European soccer fan bases. I blame it on unsatisfied personal achievement.
It's a culture of sustained success on and off the field. This is the team we have. Could we commit fewer turnovers? Yeah, I suppose we could but we aren't suited up and playing and I'm not sure we can channel out thoughts to the players on the field - wish we could. That would be awesome. Gosh, they way I read it anything less than undefeated is a disaster. Again, one more time, this is the team we have and Toomey is bringing players along by getting them minutes. It's the Patriot League Championship that punches your ticket into the NCAA - guaranteed. I suspect Toomey understands that and there might be some growing pains and mistakes made by younger players. Heck, the Hounds might not match up good against some teams and beat them. Or maybe they will? We could have some close games that many expect to be blowouts. A W is a W.
You watch the games and this is what you might see; Swindell out there on the wings for a face-off. Playing defense. Playing the last 6 minutes of a game (Rutgers - if memory serves me correct). He's getting moved all over the place because that's where they need him. The coaches will do what it takes to win the Patriot and build this program. Young players are getting time on the field. Some of you were probably thinking what the coaches saw in Kamish because he was still at Attack after Hopkins. No goals - many shots. Didn't the Hounds have someone better? What was going on? Etc... Well, Hat tricks in the past two games. They saw something and know something.
I don't mean to sound critical, but dang, some of the negativity is simply excruciating.Lighten up Francis.
This team and its players, I believe, will continue to improve and get better each week. If they loose it won't be from a lack of effort or preparation, it just happens.
As Sun Tzu said, "perfect is the enemy of good". Let's just hope the Hounds are Good.
UNC 2016 - Natty - who saw that happening? Anything can happen this season - take the long view.
Come on Back Peter - help me out.
Greyhound, my expectations is to be playing in the final four. It seems to me that you are okay with miscues and bad passes. It does not matter wht the score is.... and we where out scored 9-3 in the first half, well if we did not have those miscues at UVA, we would have won and that is my point. You are okay with losing to the defending national champs, where i am not. And we if we only beat Lafayette by one, than we have problems. We have won three games in a row to teams that are not very good. But if you keep making excuses you are essentially enabling the behavior. So next week if we lose to Duke, what will be the excuse?GreyingHound wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:32 amHey NovaHound, I live in NoVa too. I'm sure Peter will back you up, but I'm behind you too. I'm tired of the nonsense about dropped passes and turnovers. Loyola plays an up-tempo style of lacrosse, and these miscues are EXPECTED. We have a young offense, and we've won 3 games in a row after losing to the defending National Champs in a game where we outscored them in the second half, 6-3. Chill indeed!NovaHound wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:08 pmThank you PB for expressing my sentiments better than I can. If I wanted all of this negativity I'd hang out on the Hopkins thread.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:45 am
Well, the one thing I do not want to do is compare ourselves to JHU...they have their own issues without me piling on. Plus, I'm scared they will in fact fire Petro and thereby regain their elite lacrosse status. I pray they retain him!
I can't tell if some of these Fanlax Loyola board posters are trolls, or god's honest Loyola fans. Jesus mary and joseph, if Loyola doesn't start out every game with a 15-goal lead, for some here it's like our squad is the 'worst team in D1 history'. I mean, we lost 60% of our offense from last year, and are playing a ton of freshmen this year, you'd think you might wait until the regular season begins before lobbing metaphorical hand grenades.
If you've ever attended a game at the RAC, you'd see that we have some really passionate but generally really positive fans; I cheer for the other team if I see them make a sweet play tbh.
This Hounds team is on the younger side and plays with a ton of hustle...there's no way you'd harshly critique their every move if you actually support them. So, I don't know where some of these people do come from...but I have my suspicions, cough-Quint Kessenich-cough.
Some of this debbie-downer posting is a very unique lacrosse personality where unless you win the Natty by 20, your team is 'awful'. It's a weird perfection psychosis found in US lacrosse and European soccer fan bases. I blame it on unsatisfied personal achievement.
You watch the games and this is what you might see; Swindell out there on the wings for a face-off. Playing defense. Playing the last 6 minutes of a game (Rutgers - if memory serves me correct). He's getting moved all over the place because that's where they need him. The coaches will do what it takes to win the Patriot and build this program. Young players are getting time on the field. Some of you were probably thinking what the coaches saw in Kamish because he was still at Attack after Hopkins. No goals - many shots. Didn't the Hounds have someone better? What was going on? Etc... Well, Hat tricks in the past two games. They saw something and know something.
I don't mean to sound critical, but dang, some of the negativity is simply excruciating.
As Sun Tzu said, "perfect is the enemy of good". Let's just hope the Hounds are Good.
UNC 2016 - Natty - who saw that happening? Anything can happen this season - take the long view.
Come on Back Peter - help me out.
laxbro11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:01 am
Greyhound, my expectations is to be playing in the final four. It seems to me that you are okay with miscues and bad passes. It does not matter wht the score is.... and we where out scored 9-3 in the first half, well if we did not have those miscues at UVA, we would have won and that is my point. You are okay with losing to the defending national champs, where i am not. And we if we only beat Lafayette by one, than we have problems. We have won three games in a row to teams that are not very good. But if you keep making excuses you are essentially enabling the behavior. So next week if we lose to Duke, what will be the excuse?
this is one of your most wholesome posts and i agree wholeheartedly with every bit. Young teams develop over time, and its expected they go through growing pains. That just means the maturity process will help them develop to their potential. We've already seen flashes of it from the freshmen and sophomores. Hear me out, but if this season does end up faring well, then the next year should be good too for 2021.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:25 amlaxbro11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:01 am
Greyhound, my expectations is to be playing in the final four. It seems to me that you are okay with miscues and bad passes. It does not matter wht the score is.... and we where out scored 9-3 in the first half, well if we did not have those miscues at UVA, we would have won and that is my point. You are okay with losing to the defending national champs, where i am not. And we if we only beat Lafayette by one, than we have problems. We have won three games in a row to teams that are not very good. But if you keep making excuses you are essentially enabling the behavior. So next week if we lose to Duke, what will be the excuse?
Laxbro: did you play lacrosse? Cause I have a couple of thoughts here regarding your post that most lacrosse players are going to understand.
1. It's not acceptable to dismiss a team like Lafayette with comments like 'if we beat them by one, then we have problems'. Every kid playing in D1 is worthy of their role. Any team, any day, can beat any team.
2. Hounds outscored '9-3 in first half against defending champs (UVA)'. This Hounds team is young. Going from High School to D1, that first game pass zips by a lot faster, that first check feels a lot harder, and those wheels on the competition spin a lot more energetically. I bet half our team had no idea what hit them the first 30 minutes, but they sure did come out the second half and have ever since. Also, please bear in mind that UVA lost really just one impact player from last year, whereas this Hounds team lost 60% of our entire offense, plus our AA #1 goalie. We may as well have been playing last year's championship team.
3. Always look at weather to see what the variables for that day might look like. Easton on its best day is an awful town. Try playing there in 30 degree weather with decent winds, and let me know if you bring your 'A game' every time...
4. Rutgers and Hopkins are 'not very good''? lol. Maybe the Hounds had something to do with them not being very good that day? I'll make a bet that both those teams win some games this year that you think they should lose. And when they do win, will you then say that the team that was supposed to beat Rutgers and Hop is 'not very good', cause they lost to Rutgers or Hop?
5. We are young. Young teams have arcs, they don't land on the winners' podium because we say so. This season will be an arc with different zigs and zags, no linear line upward to Memorial Day weekend. And I know this: when it's all said and done, the improvement from Day 1 against UVA to the final game whatever game that is, Hounds' fans will look back and see a team that developed mightily over the season. Cause that's what good, young teams with good coaching do.
The only recipe for success is to try your hardest, learn from mistakes, and persevere. Today is no different. I want a win; if it's a win by only 1 in triple OT, I'll be quite happy. Lafayette is a good team and the weather is their friend today.
Let's go Hounds!! Rock and roll, fella's!
When I said that missed passes and turnovers are to be expected when playing up-tempo, I was quoting Coach Toomey, circa 2010. He said he had to learn to bite his lip when we turned the ball over on a fast break because that's the price you pay when you play fast. Given the team's success since then, I'd say he knows what he is talking about.laxbro11 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:01 amGreyhound, my expectations is to be playing in the final four. It seems to me that you are okay with miscues and bad passes. It does not matter wht the score is.... and we where out scored 9-3 in the first half, well if we did not have those miscues at UVA, we would have won and that is my point. You are okay with losing to the defending national champs, where i am not. And we if we only beat Lafayette by one, than we have problems. We have won three games in a row to teams that are not very good. But if you keep making excuses you are essentially enabling the behavior. So next week if we lose to Duke, what will be the excuse?GreyingHound wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:32 am
Hey NovaHound, I live in NoVa too. I'm sure Peter will back you up, but I'm behind you too. I'm tired of the nonsense about dropped passes and turnovers. Loyola plays an up-tempo style of lacrosse, and these miscues are EXPECTED. We have a young offense, and we've won 3 games in a row after losing to the defending National Champs in a game where we outscored them in the second half, 6-3. Chill indeed!
On some level that's true.GreyingHound wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:27 amCouldn't disagree more. The score is inconsequential. A win is a win. It doesn't matter if it is by 1 or 31.TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:05 pmIt's not just them. It's that Lafayette has played three presumably good teams and they've been stomped three times. If Loyola wants to be a good team, they'll stomp Lafayette too. 7-5 entering the fourth isn't good enough tomorrow. It needs to be a comprehensive showing.