Re: Orange Duce
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:31 pm
Well, they are at least still codefendants.
And they may have some more “codefendantcy” in their future.
And they may have some more “codefendantcy” in their future.
So much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Isn't Cohen the type of witness all you lawyers salivate over? A congenital liar how can he have any credibility about what he might testify to? So Pomerantz would have to determine if Cohen was lying before but telling the truth now. That is a bit of a conundrum.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:04 amSo much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Despite this, Vance's office is moving forward with their inquiry
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-tru ... SL1N2KP00V
Pomerantz, newly hired white collar/organized crime litigator was part of a team that interviewed Michal Cohen yesterday. He once served a criminal division head at SDNY and is an expert on RICO statutes.
The former DOPUS must be more than a little worried.
He is best used as a guide to where to look and what to look for. You get the printed goods, so to speak and use it to confirm what he is telling you.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:17 pmIsn't Cohen the type of witness all you lawyers salivate over? A congenital liar how can he have any credibility about what he might testify to? So Pomerantz would have to determine if Cohen was lying before but telling the truth now. That is a bit of a conundrum.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:04 amSo much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Despite this, Vance's office is moving forward with their inquiry
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-tru ... SL1N2KP00V
Pomerantz, newly hired white collar/organized crime litigator was part of a team that interviewed Michal Cohen yesterday. He once served a criminal division head at SDNY and is an expert on RICO statutes.
The former DOPUS must be more than a little worried.
I agree. Cohen may be able to point the feds to where the bodies are buried. Once you find the bodies, you can develop evidence largely independent of Cohen.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:22 pmHe is best used as a guide to where to look and what to look for. You get the printed goods, so to speak and use it to confirm what he is telling you.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:17 pmIsn't Cohen the type of witness all you lawyers salivate over? A congenital liar how can he have any credibility about what he might testify to? So Pomerantz would have to determine if Cohen was lying before but telling the truth now. That is a bit of a conundrum.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:04 amSo much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Despite this, Vance's office is moving forward with their inquiry
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-tru ... SL1N2KP00V
Pomerantz, newly hired white collar/organized crime litigator was part of a team that interviewed Michal Cohen yesterday. He once served a criminal division head at SDNY and is an expert on RICO statutes.
The former DOPUS must be more than a little worried.
Certainly there are means of attack for the other side if Cohen is a witness at trial, but the real use is in using him to lay out the case and let the documentation do the talking...
The reporting I have seen suggests that Vance’s subpoenas also cover the accountants’ internal records and communications with T****. It is suspected that there may be gold in the communications.
Nobody liked Sammy The Bull Gravano either. But he turned out to be the witness who finally led to the ultimate conviction of The Dapper Don - John Gotti.njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:09 pmI agree. Cohen may be able to point the feds to where the bodies are buried. Once you find the bodies, you can develop evidence largely independent of Cohen.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:22 pmHe is best used as a guide to where to look and what to look for. You get the printed goods, so to speak and use it to confirm what he is telling you.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:17 pmIsn't Cohen the type of witness all you lawyers salivate over? A congenital liar how can he have any credibility about what he might testify to? So Pomerantz would have to determine if Cohen was lying before but telling the truth now. That is a bit of a conundrum.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:04 amSo much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Despite this, Vance's office is moving forward with their inquiry
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-tru ... SL1N2KP00V
Pomerantz, newly hired white collar/organized crime litigator was part of a team that interviewed Michal Cohen yesterday. He once served a criminal division head at SDNY and is an expert on RICO statutes.
The former DOPUS must be more than a little worried.
Certainly there are means of attack for the other side if Cohen is a witness at trial, but the real use is in using him to lay out the case and let the documentation do the talking...
Will be interesting to me if Cohen is used as a witness. Yes, he has serious credibility problems. Plus he is so unlikable. Can’t always pick your witnesses, but you certainly don’t like to have to put someone on the stand as unlikable as Michael. But then he is a more likable than T****.
Makes sense as long as he does not have to testify.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:22 pmHe is best used as a guide to where to look and what to look for. You get the printed goods, so to speak and use it to confirm what he is telling you.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:17 pmIsn't Cohen the type of witness all you lawyers salivate over? A congenital liar how can he have any credibility about what he might testify to? So Pomerantz would have to determine if Cohen was lying before but telling the truth now. That is a bit of a conundrum.Kismet wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:04 amSo much for an "independent judiciary".njbill wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:53 am Boy, back last fall I would’ve said close to 100%. It seemed that the court was simply sitting on the case until after the election at which point (I thought) they would deny the request for a stay. And Vance would get the returns.
But something funky is clearly going on. I saw a report that the deadline to apply for cert does not expire until next month. Didn’t look that up, but that sounds awful long to me. I would’ve thought it would’ve expired a while ago.
Seems that Roberts is not scheduling the stay petition for decision at a conference.
Can’t really read the tea leaves here. Are there four votes for cert (once applied for) but not five votes for a stay?
I’ll bet Vance is kicking himself for not putting an outside time limit on his agreement not to pursue the returns until the Supreme Court ruled on the stay request. But who could have predicted this really long delay?
Despite this, Vance's office is moving forward with their inquiry
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-tru ... SL1N2KP00V
Pomerantz, newly hired white collar/organized crime litigator was part of a team that interviewed Michal Cohen yesterday. He once served a criminal division head at SDNY and is an expert on RICO statutes.
The former DOPUS must be more than a little worried.
Certainly there are means of attack for the other side if Cohen is a witness at trial, but the real use is in using him to lay out the case and let the documentation do the talking...
You and me both. The IRS has to know where he stands.
I dunno...the fraud aspects would likely be on the basis of valuations, which the IRS wouldn't necessarily know without knowing also that Trump and Co was making very different statements of value for other purposes, two sets of books...gotta actually have both to nail the perp for that, not just a hunch.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:31 pmYou and me both. The IRS has to know where he stands.