All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[jhu72]

… over the weekend Florida passed NY total number of cases since the beginning of the pandemic. Now only 20,000 cases behind California. Likely to pass California within the next 7 days given current infection rates in both states. Florida 7 day death toll, Weds - Tues, already equal to last weeks death toll with 36 hours to go.

[Peter Brown]

Well boys, final trials of Covid vaccine have begun.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... -in-people

I am predicting that the American scientists and entrepreneurs will win, and that the negative nabob Democrats will lose.

Never underestimate Americans. Especially where and when the profit incentive exists.

As usual, Petey ignores this is socialism at work. Do you know what the NIH is, Petey? Feel free to look it up, if that helps.

And Taxpayers are paying for all the risk, Pete. That's cool with you, right?

You wouldn't know what a free market was if it fell on you, Pete.

Moderna wouldn't be in phase one without Uncle Sam, Pete. And, of course, because of guys like you who so desperately want to cling to the idea that this is capitalism at work-----Taxpayers won't collect a penny on the sale of this vaccine if it happens to work.

Really outpunching your weightclass today, Pete! Way to go!

BMI of 21 thank you!

Also, I don't recall us discussing what the cap table of this joint venture is. Do you know who is putting in what and what their % ownership is?

lightweight?

Seriously, you think the US taxpayer has ANY % of Moderna's cap table?

You are probably correct but I would hope they do.

[njbill]

We’ve now passed 150,000 US deaths.

[Typical Lax Dad]

My layman’s view is 100k deaths at end of June.

I was wrong. I also predicted June deaths will be 50% of the May total and July will be 75% of the May total. We will see if I am close.

We had 43k deaths in May. My prediction called for 22k deaths in June and about 11k in July. That would have put us at 142k at the end of July. We will pass that tomorrow on July 16th. I have been consistently under where I thought we would be. We are likely at 175k dead at end of July. At April 30 we had 65k dead Americans and that’s likely an undercount.

We have 5 more days to see how close we get to the number I projects. I had originally thought we would be at 142,000 at the end of July but we are already at 150,000. My last upward revision was 175,000. We should come in under that but we may surpass that number by 8/15/20.

[ggait]

Moderna wouldn't be in phase one without Uncle Sam, Pete. And, of course, because of guys like you who so desperately want to cling to the idea that this is capitalism at work-----Taxpayers won't collect a penny on the sale of this vaccine if it happens to work.

Really outpunching your weightclass today, Pete! Way to go!

Petey also is oblivious to what Moderna itself says about its timeline.

Moderna is starting Phase 3 now. That's good news and really fast. But also three weeks behind when Moderna originally said it was going to do that.

Best case, they get data back by Thanksgiving.

So there's no approval (best case) until 2021. Then you have to manufacture, distribute and administer to many millions of people.

TL/DR: Best case, we might have a vaccine working inside millions of people a year from now.

PS: Fan is right. Only a moron would think that what Moderna is doing is capitalism. Think more like a high tech version of the WPA. But with Moderna keeping all the upside.

For example, Moderna's CEO and CMO have already pocketed $21 million and over $35 million respectively this year selling Moderna stock. So even if the vaccine whiffs, the deal has already worked out for them quite well.

[jhu72]

Moderna wouldn't be in phase one without Uncle Sam, Pete. And, of course, because of guys like you who so desperately want to cling to the idea that this is capitalism at work-----Taxpayers won't collect a penny on the sale of this vaccine if it happens to work.

Really outpunching your weightclass today, Pete! Way to go!

Petey also is oblivious to what Moderna itself says about its timeline.

Moderna is starting Phase 3 now. That's good news and really fast. But also three weeks behind when Moderna originally said it was going to do that.

Best case, they get data back by Thanksgiving.

So there's no approval (best case) until 2021. Then you have to manufacture, distribute and administer to many millions of people.

TL/DR: Best case, we might have a vaccine working inside millions of people a year from now.

PS: Fan is right. Only a moron would think that what Moderna is doing is capitalism. Think more like a high tech version of the WPA. But with Moderna keeping all the upside.

For example, Moderna's CEO and CMO have already pocketed $21 million and over $35 million respectively this year selling Moderna stock. So even if the vaccine whiffs, the deal has already worked out for them quite well.

Yup.

[foreverlax]

Well boys, final trials of Covid vaccine have begun.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... -in-people

I am predicting that the American scientists and entrepreneurs will win, and that the negative nabob Democrats will lose.

Never underestimate Americans. Especially where and when the profit incentive exists.

Back to work!!!!!! (this might be irrelevant advice for most Dems as many of them don't work and those that do don't want to, but still, for the normals out there, let's get back at it!!!)

Any chance you could stop with the nonsense of Democrats not wanting a vaccine, wanting the economy in shambles, wanting as many deaths as possible, etc. I don't listen to Fox for a reason. It's wrong and offensive. You are a prolific poster here, but say nothing, over and over and over.
Could you just try to say something meaningful?

I just pointed out that we began Phase 3 Final trials...you missed that in my post.

You should all be paying attention...my post from March 15:

Re: The Nation's Financial Condition
Post by Peter Brown » Sun May 10, 2020 2:43 pm

If Trump bails out blue states from their pending economic calamity, you better be long gold, or better yet, own real estate in red states.

Because when the Democratic Party becomes this woman (and it's going to happen), not one company will want to stay in a blue state:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/californi ... ove-tesla/

Musk needs to uproot and get his team to Texas, stat. Don't play their game; leave and don't look back. You are only buying a small window of time compromising with these leeches. You do not compromise with people who despise job creators.

Be long gold. Good advice...

It was, but for reasons you never identified.

[DocBarrister]

My layman’s view is 100k deaths at end of June.

I was wrong. I also predicted June deaths will be 50% of the May total and July will be 75% of the May total. We will see if I am close.

We had 43k deaths in May. My prediction called for 22k deaths in June and about 11k in July. That would have put us at 142k at the end of July. We will pass that tomorrow on July 16th. I have been consistently under where I thought we would be. We are likely at 175k dead at end of July. At April 30 we had 65k dead Americans and that’s likely an undercount.

We have 5 more days to see how close we get to the number I projects. I had originally thought we would be at 142,000 at the end of July but we are already at 150,000. My last upward revision was 175,000. We should come in under that but we may surpass that number by 8/15/20.

We are well on our way to 200,000 tragic and mostly preventable deaths by the end of the year. Indeed, we are likely to go well over 200,000 before a safe and effective vaccine arrives, if it ever does.

Meanwhile, South Korea is struggling mightily ...

... to prevent their 300th death (they stand at 299).

The South Koreans excoriated their former president, who is now in prison, for allowing 38 deaths during the MERS epidemic in 2015.

https://www.who.int/westernpacific/emer ... s-outbreak

Shows that South Koreans care about their fellow citizens.

Meanwhile, some Trump supporters here on our little forum seem indifferent to the deaths of over 150,000 of their fellow Americans. Simply disgusting ....

What does that say about the character of Trump supporters? What allows them to shrug off the deaths of over 150,000 Americans?

Pretty disturbing to consider what Trump supporters are capable of, if they are so indifferent to mass fatalities in the United States.

MAGA

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

[MDlaxfan76]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

[wgdsr]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

[MDlaxfan76]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

I dunno whether Doc was 'coy', definitely made it easy to conflate "excoriated" with "jail". Would she have had the corruption charge without MERS happening? I dunno about that either.

No value judgment on SK treatment of MERS versus our reaction to past pandemics...what we do know is that they have reacted super hard and fast on respiratory pandemics, not knowing for sure how bad they will be, and thus have successfully squelched them in their country. We did not. And on this one, we were badly wrong.

The truly crazy thing is that even when we knew what was happening, we closed our eyes and wished it away, only to get whopped upside the head again..and are about to do so yet again! Dumb.

[DocBarrister]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

The point is, South Koreans hold their leaders accountable. The “failed” MERS response (it would have been considered a resounding success in the U.S.) helped to degrade national support for the former president. She was ultimately convicted of corruption that pales compared to what Trump has done.

As another example, the mayor of Seoul, South Korea (the second most powerful politician in that nation), committed suicide a day after a sexual harassment charge was filed against him with the police.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... d.amp.html

In contrast, the Republican Party elected Donald Trump president after he was accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment by two dozen women, including one who claimed he had raped her as a 13 year old girl.

Pretty much tells you the difference in values, morals, ethics, and sense of accountability ... Donald Trump and his supporters arguably have none of those virtues.

Absolutely disgusting ....

DocBarrister

[kramerica.inc]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

The point is, South Koreans hold their leaders accountable. The “failed” MERS response (it would have been considered a resounding success in the U.S.) helped to degrade national support for the former president. She was ultimately convicted of corruption that pales compared to what Trump has done.

As another example, the mayor of Seoul, South Korea, committed suicide a day after a sexual harassment charge was filed against him with the police.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... d.amp.html

In contrast, the Republican Party elected Donald Trump president after he was accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment by two dozen women, including one who claimed he had raped her as a 13 year old girl.

Pretty much tells you the difference in values, morals, ethics, and sense of accountability ... Donald Trump and his supporters arguably have none of those virtues.

Absolutely disgusting ....

DocBarrister

This is rich.

Tell me more about the left's values, morals, ethics and sense of accountability. The party of divisiveness, abortion, and blaming others for their years of failed leadership.

Tell me more, Doc!

[tech37]

The Party of suppression of free speech, Cancel Culture, White Fragility/Privilege, and Defund Police, etc.

[wgdsr]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

The point is, South Koreans hold their leaders accountable. The “failed” MERS response (it would have been considered a resounding success in the U.S.) helped to degrade national support for the former president. She was ultimately convicted of corruption that pales compared to what Trump has done.

As another example, the mayor of Seoul, South Korea (the second most powerful politician in that nation), committed suicide a day after a sexual harassment charge was filed against him with the police.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... d.amp.html

In contrast, the Republican Party elected Donald Trump president after he was accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment by two dozen women, including one who claimed he had raped her as a 13 year old girl.

Pretty much tells you the difference in values, morals, ethics, and sense of accountability ... Donald Trump and his supporters arguably have none of those virtues.

Absolutely disgusting ....

DocBarrister

geez, south korea sounds like a utopia.
dozens for a pandemic gets you pursued until jail time... corruption, sexual harassment, suicide.

under these rules, obama and biden would be locked up for swine flu before they had a chance to get going. who would've been the #3?

at this point, i almost think being accused of sexual charges is one of the prerequisites to make a run. do they still have that slush fund for congressmen?

[ggait]

geez, south korea sounds like a utopia.

SK would not be the peer model I would pick.

These days, I'm looking at Italy, France and Spain. They all got clobbered early on, similar to what hit NY/NJ.

But now they have very low virus and deaths. And, accordingly, they are now as open (or more open) than the USA is.

[DocBarrister]

south korea sounds a little over the top. 38 for an epidemic gets you extended jail time? what kind of stretch is the present day president in for? do they not die of anything else there? what's their average age, 400?

They did treat MERS seriously, but she was not jailed for this, she was impeached and then jailed on a corruption charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

yeah... so doc was being coy with his couching.

But yes, quite seriously:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... t-how-they#!

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asi ... r-response

so the opposite of how we treated swine flu before mers? and most other pandemics.

The point is, South Koreans hold their leaders accountable. The “failed” MERS response (it would have been considered a resounding success in the U.S.) helped to degrade national support for the former president. She was ultimately convicted of corruption that pales compared to what Trump has done.

As another example, the mayor of Seoul, South Korea, committed suicide a day after a sexual harassment charge was filed against him with the police.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... d.amp.html

In contrast, the Republican Party elected Donald Trump president after he was accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment by two dozen women, including one who claimed he had raped her as a 13 year old girl.

Pretty much tells you the difference in values, morals, ethics, and sense of accountability ... Donald Trump and his supporters arguably have none of those virtues.

Absolutely disgusting ....

DocBarrister

This is rich.

Tell me more about the left's values, morals, ethics and sense of accountability. The party of divisiveness, abortion, and blaming others for their years of failed leadership.

Tell me more, Doc!

You and wgdsr pretty much proved my point.

Thank you.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

geez, south korea sounds like a utopia.

SK would not be the peer model I would pick.

These days, I'm looking at Italy, France and Spain. They all got clobbered early on, similar to what hit NY/NJ.

But now they have very low virus and deaths. And, accordingly, they are now as open (or more open) than the USA is.

Those three European nations are better described as having screwed up early with ineffective early responses, but an ultimately successful nationally coordinated campaign to bring the pandemic under control.

In contrast, the United States is almost unique ... denial and essentially no early response, followed by a very late uncoordinated response, followed by a premature relaxation of mitigation efforts, followed by a near-complete abdication of national leadership, resulting in a completely uncontrolled surge in the pandemic. It really is criminal mass homicide.

As for South Korea, they implemented an extremely early and vigorous coordinated national response with a high compliance rate that resulted in early control of the pandemic and probably the saving of over 100,000 lives.

Some have called South Korea’s tactics (including enforced two-week quarantines in designated isolation campuses) draconian.

Frankly, death is a fairly draconian result, and Trump and his administration essentially inflicted that fate on over 100,000 now-dead Americans.

A premature death or two-weeks in a tiny room with three free meals a day?

I’ll take South Korea’s approach over Trump’s any day. I’m sure the 150,000+ dead Americans would agree. America’s so-called leaders should be taking notes on how South Korea got things right (and yeah ... that includes Cuomo, Fauci, and Newsom in addition to Trump and his incompetents).

DocBarrister

[smoova]

In contrast, the United States is almost unique ... denial and essentially no early response, followed by a very late uncoordinated response, followed by a premature relaxation of mitigation efforts, followed by a near-complete abdication of national leadership, resulting in a completely uncontrolled surge in the pandemic. It really is criminal mass homicide.

You have these steps a little out of order: "a near-complete abdication of national leadership" occurred about 3 years before "denial and essentially no early response."