Johns Hopkins 2024

[51percentcorn]

Your exact quote from October 21, 2021
"Agree I’m most interested in goalie play and absolutely dying to get reports on Stuart Phillips who I keep hearing is the best freshman player on campus in a long time"
Apologies for using the word decade - 10 years equals a long time though

[HopFan16]

I believe there was a Joel Tinney comparison in there somewhere too. We all fall victim to the freshman hype machine. It's a Hopkins/lacrosse fan rite of passage.

On that topic, there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

[flalax22]

Your exact quote from October 21, 2021
"Agree I’m most interested in goalie play and absolutely dying to get reports on Stuart Phillips who I keep hearing is the best freshman player on campus in a long time"
Apologies for using the word decade - 10 years equals a long time though

So it’s possible he had a great freshman fall, I heard about it from a number of sources and was looking for confirmation?

What an incredibly novel and unprecedented post here in the forum.

[jhu06]

I believe there was a Joel Tinney comparison in there somewhere too. We all fall victim to the freshman hype machine. It's a Hopkins/lacrosse fan rite of passage.

On that topic, there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

The present this year goes as far as the senior midfielders, growth of crawley as an offensive wunderkind, and faceoff/goalie replacements will take the club.

If the freshmen/sophomore offensive players are as good as all of you have said hopefully they can wally pipp a few guys.

[genghiskhanbluejay]

I believe there was a Joel Tinney comparison in there somewhere too. We all fall victim to the freshman hype machine. It's a Hopkins/lacrosse fan rite of passage.

On that topic, there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

Theirs 3 freshman from Lawrenceville so which one of the three isn't looking special; according to the drumbeats? LOL

[HopFan16]

I believe there was a Joel Tinney comparison in there somewhere too. We all fall victim to the freshman hype machine. It's a Hopkins/lacrosse fan rite of passage.

On that topic, there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

Theirs 3 freshman from Lawrenceville so which one of the three isn't looking special; according to the drumbeats? LOL

Meant Chauvette and Kilrain. But Rawson is going to be a good player too. Just don't think he'll see much time in 2024 unless there are injuries

[51percentcorn]

So it’s possible he had a great freshman fall, I heard about it from a number of sources and was looking for confirmation?

What an incredibly novel and unprecedented post here in the forum.

Well - we can debate "decade" vs " a long time" all you want but you basically denied you said anything. BTW - you are missing the point. That being I had absolutely no issue with the original post about Phillips. In fact, if you go back to that thread you'll see I responded very congenially stating I hoped the reports were correct. The issue is your take on the Hopkins thread as if you were some impartial observer or didn't contribute to whatever craziness exists.

[51percentcorn]

The present this year goes as far as the senior midfielders, growth of crawley as an offensive wunderkind, and faceoff/goalie replacements will take the club.

If the freshmen/sophomore offensive players are as good as all of you have said hopefully they can wally pipp a few guys.

Was Wally PIpp your great grandfather or something? He gets alot of love from '06.
Your obsession with 5 specific players (3 of them being reserve mid-fielders - 2 of those 3 being converted attackmen) is amusing - they will play a role but nowhere near the ultimate role you seem to believe. BTW - Grimes and Peshko combined for 36 goals and 19 assists - they can stay. Crawley's fine - I'm not sure what exactly you want him to do differently - he's not going to turn into Bill Walsh overnight and there are few secrets in lacrosse - they all run the same plays. ThE offense should be better because they have all had a year to play together. A healthy McDermott for an entire year might be something to enjoy if it ever happens.

Specialty areas are very important - no question

[Hoponboard]

Link to watch 12-0 Hopkins host 12-0 Randolph-Macon tomorrow at 11:30am for the NCAA Tournament Quarterfinal.

https://www.centennialconference.tv/hopkinssports/

[Farfromgeneva]

Link to watch 12-0 Hopkins host 12-0 Randolph-Macon tomorrow at 11:30am for the NCAA Tournament Quarterfinal.

https://www.centennialconference.tv/hopkinssports/

Hope you blitz a ton and get after that QB he’s tough.

[51percentcorn]

there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

This will be an interesting and possibly major storyline to the 2024 season - the whole can you keep the baby birds engaged and happy and to '06's continual point - will any veteran lose playing time - conundrum. Because over-riding this is the schedule. Not only are there virtually no guaranteed wins - one would think there are of course even fewer mismatches where 30-40 Jays see the field. It only happened once last regular season - after the 3rd quarter explosion against Ohio State. Otherwise, even including Hawley and the 3rd face-off man - Hopkins got to 26 players a few times - other wise 23/24 every single game. So literally let's count and ignore freshmen and the transfers except for Ierlan for a second:
Ierlan/Smith/Szuluk/Brown/Angelus/Degnon/Melendez/Brown/Deans/Kaufman/Dunn/Callahan/Martin/Jaronski/Ince/Raposo/Collison/Grimes/
Peshko/English/Evans/Bauer/McDermott - there's 23 right there and one apparent vacant spot is the man down specialist occupied alot last year by Ruddy so you are at 24. And you still have Phillips to account for - who only played in 11 games yet got you 4 goals on 13 shots and 8 ground balls and by all accounts you have to find time for Marquis - and C. Chauvette got you 7 goals on 30% shooting.

Of course this is all predicated on health - so any series of unfortunate events and you could have freshmen all over the place. But otherwise - who's leaving the field in a competitive game? IMO - the most obvious possibility is Aviles in the SSDM rotation. The two aforementioned Lawrenceville kids just have a position and space problem for '24. They are most likely starters from the very first second of fall '24 practice but for example which close defenseman leaves the field - certainly not Smith or your defensive captain and Brown is a star in the making (3rd on the team in defensive groundballs - 5th on the team in caused turnovers with 1 - I repeat - a single - turnover himself. That stat alone says he needs to be on the field. Now I guess you can move Brown to LSM but IMO - a healthy Deans (sometimes a questionmark) and if Kaufman makes the jump - 6'5"/215 is a bio med design for an LSM - then you might not need it. I would think most Hopkins fans already have H. Chauvette on EMO and if the design works it could be lethal. a right handed inside finsiher would seal the deal. But otherwise - H. Chauvette is NOT a midfielder - so why is Degnon leaving the field? He's not.

So if anybody is at risk losing minutes to freshmen - it's probably the last 3 midfielders on the above list. However, those 3 have several baked in advantages over the freshmen. First, just general experience - they have played DI college lacrosse - probably every single one of them has played in at least 20 games - maybe closer to 30. Second they are on their 3rd year with Milliman and have an extra year under their belt with Crawley. Third this is their 4th year of college level strength/nutrition/conditioning.

That's not to say I disagree with the overall assessment - the future is bright - but I am not sure Gehrig is showing up next season.

Edit: I made two mistakes in my original list - I somehow omitted Degnon and I miscounted by one so veterans with significant playing + Ierlan + the man down specialist (could be Kilrain - might not) is 24.

[Farfromgeneva]

there's been a growing drumbeat out of Homewood that the two Lawrenceville freshmen are special, special talents — and to not overlook Mr. Ayers either. Will not make any grand predictions other than to say the future is bright on 111 University Parkway.

This will be an interesting and possibly major storyline to the 2024 season - the whole can you keep the baby birds engaged and happy and to '06's continual point - will any veteran lose playing time - conundrum. Because over-riding this is the schedule. Not only are there virtually no guaranteed wins - one would think there are of course even fewer mismatches where 30-40 Jays see the field. It only happened once last regular season - after the 3rd quarter explosion against Ohio State. Otherwise, even including Hawley and the 3rd face-off man - Hopkins got to 26 players a few times - other wise 23/24 every single game. So literally let's count and ignore freshmen and the transfers except for Ierlan for a second:
Ierlan/Smith/Szuluk/Brown/Angelus/Melendez/Brown/Deans/Kaufman/Dunn/Callahan/Martin/Jaronski/Ince/Raposo/Collison/Grimes/Peshko/
English/Evans/Bauer/McDermott - there's 21 right there and one apparent vacant spot is the man down specialist occupied alot last year by Ruddy so you are at 22. And you still have Phillips to account for - who only played in 11 games yet got you 4 goals on 13 shots and 8 ground balls and by all accounts you have to find time for Marquis - and C. Chauvette got you 7 goals on 30% shooting.

Of course this is all predicated on health - so any series of unfortunate events and you could have freshmen all over the place. But otherwise - who's leaving the field in a competitive game? IMO - the most obvious possibility is Aviles in the SSDM rotation. The two aforementioned Lawrenceville kids just have a position and space problem for '24. They are most likely starters from the very first second of fall '24 practice but for example which close defenseman leaves the field - certainly not Smith or your defensive captain and Brown is a star in the making (3rd on the team in defensive groundballs - 5th on the team in caused turnovers with 1 - I repeat - a single - turnover himself. That stat alone says he needs to be on the field. Now I guess you can move Brown to LSM but IMO - a healthy Deans (sometimes a questionmark) and if Kaufman makes the jump - 6'5"/215 is a bio med design for an LSM - then you might not need it. I would think most Hopkins fans already have H. Chauvette on EMO and if the design works it could be lethal. a right handed inside finsiher would seal the deal. But otherwise - H. Chauvette is NOT a midfielder - so why is Degnon leaving the field? He's not.

So if anybody is at risk losing minutes to freshmen - it's probably the last 3 midfielders on the above list. However, those 3 have several baked in advantages over the freshmen. First, just general experience - they have played DI college lacrosse - probably every single one of them has played in at least 20 games - maybe closer to 30. Second they are on their 3rd year with Milliman and have an extra year under their belt with Crawley. Third this is their 4th year of college level strength/nutrition/conditioning.

That's not to say I disagree with the overall assessment - the future is bright - but I am not sure Gehrig is showing up next season.

Maybe it’s a function of the limitation of IL and HS lacrosse talent evaluation but it is interesting that in this sport you see so many top 50 kids buried for years who can stand out and excel. There’s probably around 900FR each year across the 70 odd D1 programs so it’s like top 7% (when you’d include injuries) incoming and maybe as much as 25% of those (10-15 kids in each ranked class) these days may not see much PT for two years despite clean bill of health.

But I tend to agree even despite the conditions of this universe, which I think has something to do with concentration and other breadth limitations beyond IL, you won’t find any Jim Gentiles out there (closest recent example might be Dylan Paolenetti and then maybe Sean Donnelly but I’m sure I’m missing some and their aren’t as extreme since both have at best one playoff game between them).

The 1950s Yankees and Dodgers hoarding talent and bottlenecking the path of talent is really a more appropriate metaphor than using Pipp/Gherig but that requires knowing baseball history vs having once seen the Gary Cooper movie which isn’t expected knowledge necessary in lacrosse boards.

[HopFan16]

I would think most Hopkins fans already have H. Chauvette on EMO and if the design works it could be lethal. a right handed inside finsiher would seal the deal. But otherwise - H. Chauvette is NOT a midfielder - so why is Degnon leaving the field? He's not.

Hunter is going to play more than just EMO. You saw the same footage I did. He scored 4 times against Richmond's starters, only one of which was on the EMO. He started the game on a midfield line with Grimes. Not sure why the continued "not a midfielder" refrain — of course he's not a traditional middie in terms of style of play but he is going to come in through the box to play offense in 6v6 situations and the early evidence suggests he's going to score some goals that way. As was the case with Collison and English last year, we may not see consistent production as a no-questions-asked "starter" until the second half of the year, but he's clearly in the mix for a substantial role already. When Bauer and McDermott are healthy who knows what the pecking order will be but it'll probably look different on May 1 than on Feb. 1. I like to bet on talent to win out over experience in those situations. It's not exactly a 1:1 Wally Pipp "I'm taking your spot" but yes I believe he will ultimately earn offensive zone minutes — that's the finite resource we're talking about here — at the expense of one or possibly more than one other player. The kid is a truly gifted shooter of the lacrosse ball.

[51percentcorn]

'16 you are probably right but I have some thoughts on this - hopefully you are right and I am wrong but my contrarian thoughts are based upon the following:
HC doesn't carry the ball - if you are kind then you say he just hasn't been required to - I have seen less than kind assessments suggest this is not a strength

In 6v6 - the defense often will not be in a zone - as in EMO - and Degnon will be there. A little more crowded for 2 basically primarily left handed snipers Please correct me if I am wrong but more than a few of his goals appear to be generated off of face-offs and transition fast breaks where the defender has to slide at some point - In 2024 he's not going to be there for most of those - Degnon will.

Also, why are left handed snipers so successful? In Hopkinms recent history why is Degnon virtually guaranteed to get to around 125 if not more goals? Why did Marr have 100+ goals? Why did Wharton have 92 in 3 seasons after not getting to really play freshmen year on a veteran 2008 team? All this when the defense knows what their primary ability is? IMO - its partly because they are guarded by close defensemen that traditionally have several potential slide responsibilities. HC will be covered by a SSDM I would think. While you might think this is great - don't have a 6 ft stick to get in on his hands - he could very well be guarded by someone 4 inches taller 30 lbs heavier faster and doesn't have to worry about anything else. If Peshko or English comes down the alley or somebody cuts to the middle - this SSDM will not likely be the slider.

Also - the one thing I kind of really disagree with you on is relying on one second of fall scrimmages. And saying it was somebody's starters means little. I don't care if somebody scored 4 goals on prime time Petro in a fall scrimmage - it carries little weight. Score 4 goals when the defense really cares and prepares for you - then you've got something. I hope upon hope he does it ASAP.

[HopFan16]

'16 you are probably right but I have some thoughts on this - hopefully you are right and I am wrong but my contrarian thoughts are based upon the following:
HC doesn't carry the ball - if you are kind then you say he just hasn't been required to - I have seen less than kind assessments suggest this is not a strength

In 6v6 - the defense often will not be in a zone - as in EMO - and Degnon will be there. A little more crowded for 2 basically primarily left handed snipers Please correct me if I am wrong but more than a few of his goals appear to be generated off of face-offs and transition fast breaks where the defender has to slide at some point - In 2024 he's not going to be there for most of those - Degnon will.

Also, why are left handed snipers so successful? In Hopkinms recent history why is Degnon virtually guaranteed to get to around 125 if not more goals? Why did Marr have 100+ goals? Why did Wharton have 92 in 3 seasons after not getting to really play freshmen year on a veteran 2008 team? All this when the defense knows what their primary ability is? IMO - its partly because they are guarded by close defensemen that traditionally have several potential slide responsibilities. HC will be covered by a SSDM I would think. While you might think this is great - don't have a 6 ft stick to get in on his hands - he could very well be guarded by someone 4 inches taller 30 lbs heavier faster and doesn't have to worry about anything else. If Peshko or English comes down the alley or somebody cuts to the middle - this SSDM will not likely be the slider.

Also - the one thing I kind of really disagree with you on is relying on one second of fall scrimmages. And saying it was somebody's starters means little. I don't care if somebody scored 4 goals on prime time Petro in a fall scrimmage - it carries little weight. Score 4 goals when the defense really cares and prepares for you - then you've got something. I hope upon hope he does it ASAP.

This is when the "fall doesn't matter" mantra goes overboard IMO. His usage throughout the fall is screaming out that he will play. He also scored twice against Hofstra before our starters were pulled and the bench (aka essentially every other freshman besides Ayers) was emptied — suggesting that already by his first weekend of competitive D1 lacrosse he was more a part of the former category than the latter. I was behind the bench that day...he was over by the substitution box standing next to Collison/Grimes/etc. while the other freshmen stood way down by the goalies and twiddled their thumbs. Sure there were injuries, the fall certainly is not gospel but if a freshman is going to play early and often...this is exactly what it would look like, no?

PS if somebody scored 4 goals on prime time Petro in any setting I'd probably try to get that kid on the field.

[Farfromgeneva]

Link to watch 12-0 Hopkins host 12-0 Randolph-Macon tomorrow at 11:30am for the NCAA Tournament Quarterfinal.

https://www.centennialconference.tv/hopkinssports/

7-3 RMC early live stats here

https://hopkinssports.com/sidearmstats/ ... ;team=away

[44WeWantMore]

Link to watch 12-0 Hopkins host 12-0 Randolph-Macon tomorrow at 11:30am for the NCAA Tournament Quarterfinal.

https://www.centennialconference.tv/hopkinssports/

Fourth and 10 on the 31 and you go for it because that is out of field goal range.

[Farfromgeneva]

Link to watch 12-0 Hopkins host 12-0 Randolph-Macon tomorrow at 11:30am for the NCAA Tournament Quarterfinal.

https://www.centennialconference.tv/hopkinssports/

Fourth and 10 on the 31 and you go for it because that is out of field goal range.

48 yards, add 17 to LOS spot. Not easy.

Greta job getting back into it from 21-9 but have to get TDs not FGs there and bigger issue is Randy Macs run game shredding Hops D thus far

[51percentcorn]

29-29 with 11 minutes left

[Farfromgeneva]

29-29 with 11 minutes left

Just a scored 36-29 RMC, that their down reception and fumble was killer.