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Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:57 pm
by Trinity
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am
by dislaxxic
Conservatives want to demonize socialism. They have a cognitive disconnect...
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Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:27 am
by wahoomurf
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am
Conservatives want to demonize socialism. They have a cognitive disconnect...
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WOW.I NEVER KNOWED THET! The water in Flint Michigan as well?
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:56 am
by runrussellrun
Being on a local school board planning committee..........some of asked why the HIGH school user fees didn't show up in the revenue. Anywhere.
Kind of like that record breaking FEC fine on Obama. Or the Goldman Saks fine. Or, HSBC fine. Or the NOAA fines (oh, we know where THOSE fines went....party on Garth )
https://www.telemessage.com/infographic ... s-history/
Wells Fargo's $575 million "fine" didn't make this list.......but I am sure the state of Massachusettes will be VERY transparent as to what happened to this fine/money. Pretends enjoy this practice. And, some are up in arms about a few colleges having some sailors that don't know what "helms a lee " means? Or even starboard.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:22 am
by 6ftstick
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am
Conservatives want to demonize socialism. They have a cognitive disconnect...
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There you go again dumbing down a long standing definition to fit your own agenda. You think we're all so stupid that we don't know that the
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
The real end game for you libs.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:24 am
by 6ftstick
Ocasio Cortez takes a page out of Joe McCarthys book.
Ocasio-Cortez also accused Wells Fargo of being “involved in the caging of children” by financing facilities operated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Sloan said the bank was not involved in the caging of children although it had provided financing to a company that engaged in prison construction.
This woman is dangerous. VERY dangerous. As are her anti-semite sisters in white robes.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/ ... -pipeline/
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:37 am
by foreverlax
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:22 am
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am
Conservatives want to demonize socialism. They have a cognitive disconnect...
..
There you go again dumbing down a long standing definition to fit your own agenda. You think we're all so stupid that we don't know that the
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
The real end game for you libs.
The rest of the story....
Socialism vs. Social Democracy
Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as democratic socialism, in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth.
The same way some folks believe that giving the wealthy tax breaks will make things better for the rest of us.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:56 am
by 6ftstick
foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:37 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:22 am
dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:53 am
Conservatives want to demonize socialism. They have a cognitive disconnect...
..
There you go again dumbing down a long standing definition to fit your own agenda. You think we're all so stupid that we don't know that the
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
The real end game for you libs.
The rest of the story....
Socialism vs. Social Democracy
Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as democratic socialism, in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth.
The same way some folks believe that giving the wealthy tax breaks will make things better for the rest of us.
So there aren't more people working now that in the last 3 decades. Fewer people on food stamps. Unemployment continues to drop. Wages increasing
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:01 am
by foreverlax
So there aren't more people working now that in the last 3 decades. Fewer people on food stamps. Unemployment continues to drop.
Let's agree that is accurate - how can you attribute success to either form of economic theory?
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am
by 6ftstick
foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:01 am
So there aren't more people working now that in the last 3 decades. Fewer people on food stamps. Unemployment continues to drop.
Let's agree that is accurate - how can you attribute success to either form of economic theory?
How bout this. Unless the socialist government in question—whichever you choose—doesn't employ CAPITALISM in a major way—It fails.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:08 am
by foreverlax
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am
foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:01 am
So there aren't more people working now that in the last 3 decades. Fewer people on food stamps. Unemployment continues to drop.
Let's agree that is accurate - how can you attribute success to either form of economic theory?
How bout this. Unless the socialist government in question—whichever you choose—doesn't employ CAPITALISM in a major way—It fails.
....the USA does. Nothing new here.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:10 pm
by 3rdPersonPlural
Kids are usually to the left of their parents, but according to this Opinion from Financial Times, Bernanke knew that QE was robbing Peter (the Millenials) to pay Paul (the Boomers).
The value of Real Estate assets (which is the principle wealth of my generation, which had been shown time and again that property was the key to stable wealth) was propped up by the cash for trash QE programs, and now the next generation of buyers, burdened as they are with onerous debt just to get educated, are waving off that aspect of the American Dream.
https://www.ft.com/content/cbed81fc-3b5 ... 303f70fcff
And we wring our hands and wonder why the kids these days feel that they, as a society, are owed a portion of the wealth that we boomers squirreled away.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:46 pm
by a fan
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:03 am
How bout this. Unless the socialist government in question—whichever you choose—doesn't employ CAPITALISM in a major way—It fails.
Great. Name a socialist goverment---not a fascist government, or a dictatorship (e.g. Venezuela) that doesn't employ capitalism in a major.
Here's a few socialist governments, and they all use capitalism: Finland, Germany, France, UK, Sweden, Spain, Austria.....
You have nothing to worry about. Cortez doesn't want the government to make shoes or cars. Calm down and stop listening to FoxNation...they're just wrong.
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:47 pm
by a fan
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:10 pm
Kids are usually to the left of their parents, but according to this Opinion from Financial Times, Bernanke knew that QE was robbing Peter (the Millenials) to pay Paul (the Boomers).
The value of Real Estate assets (which is the principle wealth of my generation, which had been shown time and again that property was the key to stable wealth) was propped up by the cash for trash QE programs, and now the next generation of buyers, burdened as they are with onerous debt just to get educated, are waving off that aspect of the American Dream.
https://www.ft.com/content/cbed81fc-3b5 ... 303f70fcff
And we wring our hands and wonder why the kids these days feel that they, as a society, are owed a portion of the wealth that we boomers squirreled away.
They just need to shut up and work harder, right?
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Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:11 pm
by 3rdPersonPlural
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:47 pm
3rdPersonPlural wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:10 pm
Kids are usually to the left of their parents, but according to this Opinion from Financial Times, Bernanke knew that QE was robbing Peter (the Millenials) to pay Paul (the Boomers).
The value of Real Estate assets (which is the principle wealth of my generation, which had been shown time and again that property was the key to stable wealth) was propped up by the cash for trash QE programs, and now the next generation of buyers, burdened as they are with onerous debt just to get educated, are waving off that aspect of the American Dream.
https://www.ft.com/content/cbed81fc-3b5 ... 303f70fcff
And we wring our hands and wonder why the kids these days feel that they, as a society, are owed a portion of the wealth that we boomers squirreled away.
They just need to shut up and work harder, right?
Yup. And stop complaining about how we ignored the climate issue and kicked that can down the road. And kicked a heckuva lot of other cans down the road, as well. AOC is a mortal threat to our generations avarice, and we must fight back!!!
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:48 pm
by cradleandshoot
Seriously... Republicans love AOC... she is the Democrats answer to Sarah Palin. The idiotic gift that keeps on giving. The hardest determination between the 2 women is which one butchers the English language more. Like yah know it kinda like yah know I like get confused sorta like yah know I sorta kinda grasp the concept of yah know like what the English language is like all about. Archie Bunker has the perfect term for AOC... dingbat...
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Advantage to Palin... no snapping of bubble gum and twirling her hair with her fingers.
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Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:54 pm
by seacoaster
You love her. There doesn't appear to be many moments you aren't thinking about her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbb7zjqPwFg
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:57 pm
by 3rdPersonPlural
I'm just waiting for Sherman Oaks to find a porn star who looks like AOC. The Palin look-alike film made someone a boatload of money. Any siggestions?
Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:54 pm
by cradleandshoot
I admire her because how ever poorly she speaks her mind she says what she means. I suppose if we are judging by your own standards coaster you have had a man crush on Sarah Palin for all these many years. I mean after all you could never stop talking about her.
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You have really piss poor reading comprehension coaster. Were you wearing your reading glasses? AOC and Sarah Palin have the same thing in common. They have both risen to prominence in their respective parties out of nowhere. Both women struggle with the English language and both women are on the extreme of their respective political parties. It ain't that hard to understand if you pull your head out of a very dark and unsanitary place and take a few breaths of fresh air. I would like AOC a bit more if she could tone down the lipstick ... maybe throw the putty knife away and lose the valley girl speak. That must be what endears her to the lily white old man far left progressives here... She is your Sarah Palin.
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Re: Progressive Ideology
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:21 am
by seacoaster
Hah. If you can find a single mention of Mrs. Palin by me, I'll buy you a bottle of your choice from a fan's inventory.
I guess the difference is that Mrs. Palin, other than deep-sixing John McCain's chance at the Presidency, wasn't worthy of a small fraction of anyone's -- or my -- mindshare. AOC has something to say. I understand your beating heart for her.