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Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:06 pm
by PizzaSnake
jhu72 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:48 pm Tesla delivery quality is a bad joke. J.D. Powers reports nearly 3 defects per Tesla delivered by the dealer.
Actually, ALL new vehicles scuk asz.

This is in no way a defense of the sociopath.

"TROY, Mich.: 22 June 2023 — New vehicles are becoming more problematic, evidenced by the number of problems per 100 vehicles (PP100) rising a record 30 PP100 during the past two years. According to the J.D. Power 2023 U.S. Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), released today, the rise in problems is 12 PP100 greater than in 2022, which follows an increase of 18 PP100 in 2022 from 2021. In 2023, the industry average is 192 PP100. A lower score reflects higher vehicle quality.

The continuing decline in quality can be attributed to multiple factors such as greater usage and penetration of technology; continued integration of known problematic audio systems into other new models; poor sounding horns; cupholders that don’t serve their purpose; and new models with 11 PP100 more than carryover models.

“The automotive industry is facing a wide range of quality problems, a phenomenon not seen in the 37-year history of the IQS,” said Frank Hanley, senior director of auto benchmarking at J.D. Power. "The industry is at a major crossroad and the path each manufacturer chooses is paramount for its future. From persistent problems carrying over from years past to an increase in new types of problems, today’s new vehicles are more complex—offering new and exciting technology—but not always satisfying owners.”

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press- ... -study-iqs

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:45 am
by jhu72
PizzaSnake wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:06 pm
jhu72 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:48 pm Tesla delivery quality is a bad joke. J.D. Powers reports nearly 3 defects per Tesla delivered by the dealer.
Actually, ALL new vehicles scuk asz.

This is in no way a defense of the sociopath.

"TROY, Mich.: 22 June 2023 — New vehicles are becoming more problematic, evidenced by the number of problems per 100 vehicles (PP100) rising a record 30 PP100 during the past two years. According to the J.D. Power 2023 U.S. Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), released today, the rise in problems is 12 PP100 greater than in 2022, which follows an increase of 18 PP100 in 2022 from 2021. In 2023, the industry average is 192 PP100. A lower score reflects higher vehicle quality.

The continuing decline in quality can be attributed to multiple factors such as greater usage and penetration of technology; continued integration of known problematic audio systems into other new models; poor sounding horns; cupholders that don’t serve their purpose; and new models with 11 PP100 more than carryover models.

“The automotive industry is facing a wide range of quality problems, a phenomenon not seen in the 37-year history of the IQS,” said Frank Hanley, senior director of auto benchmarking at J.D. Power. "The industry is at a major crossroad and the path each manufacturer chooses is paramount for its future. From persistent problems carrying over from years past to an increase in new types of problems, today’s new vehicles are more complex—offering new and exciting technology—but not always satisfying owners.”

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press- ... -study-iqs
... 3 per car equates to 300PP100. To be exact, Tesla sits at 257PP100, which ranks them 2nd from bottom.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm
by cradleandshoot
I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm
by PizzaSnake
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
Yep. The "liberals," whoever that be, discovered he is a fascist aszhole and denounced him -- how public figures should be treated.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 pm
by cradleandshoot
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
Yep. The "liberals," whoever that be, discovered he is a fascist aszhole and denounced him -- how public figures should be treated.
A certain segment of our society has made it very clear what they think of him. I wonder if all the harsh criticism upsets Elon?

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:03 pm
by PizzaSnake
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
Yep. The "liberals," whoever that be, discovered he is a fascist aszhole and denounced him -- how public figures should be treated.
A certain segment of our society has made it very clear what they think of him. I wonder if all the harsh criticism upsets Elon?
Don’t care. I will not buy a Tesla while he figures so prominently in its operation. Pity, because they seem close to what I would like.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 8:17 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
https://theintercept.com/2024/03/25/elo ... e-privacy/


TEN YEARS AGO, the internet platform X, then known as Twitter, filed a lawsuit against the government it hoped would force transparency around abuse-prone surveillance of social media users. X’s court battle, though, clashes with an uncomfortable fact: The company is itself in the business of government surveillance of social media.

Under the new ownership of Elon Musk, X had continued the litigation, until its defeat in January. The suit was aimed at overturning a governmental ban on disclosing the receipt of requests, known as national security letters, that compel companies to turn over everything from user metadata to private direct messages. Companies that receive these requests are typically legally bound to keep the request secret and can usually only disclose the number they’ve received in a given year in vague numerical ranges.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:12 pm
by JoeMauer89
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
Yep. The "liberals," whoever that be, discovered he is a fascist aszhole and denounced him -- how public figures should be treated.
A certain segment of our society has made it very clear what they think of him. I wonder if all the harsh criticism upsets Elon?
Don’t care. I will not buy a Tesla while he figures do prominently in its operation. Pity, because they seem close to what I would like.
Then go buy one... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:19 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
JoeMauer89 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:12 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 9:03 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:22 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 5:20 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
Yep. The "liberals," whoever that be, discovered he is a fascist aszhole and denounced him -- how public figures should be treated.
A certain segment of our society has made it very clear what they think of him. I wonder if all the harsh criticism upsets Elon?
Don’t care. I will not buy a Tesla while he figures do prominently in its operation. Pity, because they seem close to what I would like.
Then go buy one... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe
He may be principled.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am
by NattyBohChamps04
Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:44 am
by PizzaSnake
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
But does he like square-dancing?

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:02 am
by Seacoaster(1)
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
I regularly see Teslas with bumper stickers that say thigs like "I Bought It Before I Knew What an Assh*le He Is."

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:28 am
by PizzaSnake
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:02 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
I regularly see Teslas with bumper stickers that say thigs like "I Bought It Before I Knew What an Assh*le He Is."
Couple quarters like the last and maybe the board will jettison that turd.

“ Tesla Inc. suffered its first year-over-year sales drop since the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic.”


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... since-2020

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:08 pm
by youthathletics
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:28 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 11:02 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
I regularly see Teslas with bumper stickers that say thigs like "I Bought It Before I Knew What an Assh*le He Is."
Couple quarters like the last and maybe the board will jettison that turd.

“ Tesla Inc. suffered its first year-over-year sales drop since the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic.”


https://www.latimes.com/business/story/ ... since-2020
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insig ... -ev-sales/

Tesla remains the undisputed champion of EV sales in the U.S., capturing 55% of the EV market in 2023. That’s down from 65% in 2022, but lower prices are clearly fortifying the company’s position. Tesla’s share increased in Q4 after falling to an all-time low in Q3. Notably, the Model Y accounted for 33% of all EVs sold in 2023. Tesla’s share of the total U.S. market reached an all-time high of 4.20% in calendar year 2023, a number that was not lost on Tesla boss Elon Musk and his humor. Tesla outsold VW, Subaru and others in 2023.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:18 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
The electric vehicle leader could have a rough time in 2024.

Tesla (TSLA -5.32%) stock had a great run in 2023, more than doubling in price from $118 to 248.

But since the start of 2024, the stock price has slumped by around 20%. So is now a good time to pick up some Tesla shares?

Tesla's near-term prospects remain unexciting
For a time, Tesla was on a multiyear winning streak. In 2019, it achieved its first-ever full year of profitability on a non-GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) basis. The electric vehicle (EV) maker followed that with three years of record revenues, margins, and profitability.


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But its momentum faded in 2023, especially in the year's second half. In the fourth quarter, revenue grew by a disappointing 3% while operating income almost halved. For the year, revenue grew at just 19%, significantly slower than its 2022 growth rate of 51%. Non-GAAP net income fell by 23% as a result of margin contraction.

Tesla faces multiple headwinds in the near term. To start with, the macro environment has become increasingly more challenging after a period of unusual inflation, and with interest rates now higher than they've been in many years. The former has crimped consumers' discretionary budgets, while the latter makes financing for car purchases more expensive, and more difficult for buyers to get.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:32 pm
by old salt
Good time to pick up a used Hertz Tesla as your short range suburban assault vehicle < $20k

https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/ ... hy-and-how

here's a 2021 Model 3 w/55k mi @ $19k - $4k rebate for $15k
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5YJ3E1EA ... lsrc=aw.ds

? how much longer battery life ? theoretically = 31 more years. 4 more years under warranty.
https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-l ... eries-last

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:11 pm
by cradleandshoot
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
The thing is the American people wanted Henry Fords product. They didn't need " incentives " to coerce the purchase. ;)

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:30 pm
by PizzaSnake
cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:11 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:11 am Musk went from "he's this generation's Henry Ford" to "oh no, he's this generation's Henry Ford". :lol:
The thing is the American people wanted Henry Fords product. They didn't need " incentives " to coerce the purchase. ;)
I want one. Just the 25k model. Oh, and one free from the stench of that egoist.

And no, I don’t want a used Hertz. I’ve rented cars…

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:22 pm
by jhu72
Not surprising. Tesla Q1 numbers way worse than expected.

Perfect vehicles for republiCONs. I suggest they all go out and buy Teslas, show us how stupid liberals are. :lol: :lol: Tesla also just raised their prices while supplying the next to worst quality automobile. Teslas would make great cult-mobiles.

Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:52 pm
by jhu72
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:50 pm I remember when Musk started Tesla and he was the darling of every liberal on the planet. When that honeymoon came to an end it moved strait into divorce court.
He was never the darling or every liberal. :roll: