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very good writeup
-I remember thinking last year the offense would be the power w/a lot of veteran guns and young stars and it didn't happen. I don't expect keough to make it through a full season. Epstein and Grimes need to get figured out if we're going to have a good spring.
-that's a big vote of confidence in mabett when I thought martin and lilly had better years.
-no expectation that goalie scrum gets resolved until march when someone gets hot and seizes the job.
-I don't know anything about his teams at cornell, but there seems to be an emphasis on size in those names
-not sure where krampf fits in this lineup
-prouty would probably start at a lot of schools
-fernandez has a steep job this year. delaney and reinson had 2 of the more productive seasons of the last decade and it really helped especially later
-mcdermott was an afterthought until the tournament so that's a lot of confidence in him.
-8 is a lot. foy should've asked why that number was done now instead of last spring especially since IL devotes a lot of content to recruiting, transfers, and offseason changes.
-one of the differences here between the last regime is 98 percent of what PM says or talks about is the present. there's no 10,20,35 years ago. It's just this season and these guys careers for the most part and he seems to use a lot less deflection and generalizations. will also be interesting to see what he learned from last year w/giving less experienced guys more opportunities earlier if veterans can't perform. I again don't know what he had at cornell, but you'd think there'd be more talent available here.

2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:42 am - Roster at 53 right now

'51 should be ecstatic about 53

Millman had plenty of talent at Cornell. Very efficient offense led by Teat. Their achilles was faceoffs that led to few possessions taxing a questionable defense.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

no longer listed
uphoff talino fox evans rahm harkin brunner burnett
combined: 2 career games, 2 guys w/dnp seasons b/c of injuries, 3 with fathers or brothers who played at Hopkins, 3 with big ten academic distinction, 0 IL top 100 recruits or all americans.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:29 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

no longer listed
uphoff talino fox evans rahm harkin brunner burnett
combined: 2 career games, 2 guys w/dnp seasons b/c of injuries, 3 with fathers or brothers who played at Hopkins, 3 with big ten academic distinction, 0 IL top 100 recruits or all americans.

Evans is still on the roster.

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:53 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 11:42 am - Roster at 53 right now

'51 should be ecstatic about 53

Again, not lost on me that several young men received potentially crushing news - very unfortunate. However, when you think that even with a roster of 53 - using my magic number of 23 that play in a competitive game - 30 kids will stand around for virtually every game this season since almost all look pretty darn competitive. Even 53 is absurd and not productive IMO - should be closer to 43. Also not lost that this is not a problem unique to Hopkins. But here's the breakout:
Attack: 7 Players
Attack/Midfield: 3 Players
Midfield: 11 Players

So 21 "Offensive" players - not bad - 2 have to leave after exhausting eligibility - DeSimone and Keogh

Here's where it gets a little crazy:
SSDM - 7 players
LSM - 6 players
D - 11 Players

24 Defensive players - 17 with 6ft lacrosse sticks

Goalies - 4
FO - 4

Jennings/Kirson/Lyne/Prouty and Shure exhaust eligibility

foys write up on visiting homewood is up on IL

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

DocBarrister

Not to throw cold water, but Hop still doesn't have a tender with recent college saves stats remotely high enough to give solid comfort that they can be a top 10 team.

Until that changes to 52+%, probably not gonna happen.

Yes, Kirson did so back at Ohio State, but under 40% last year for Hop in 9 games prior to being injured.

We'll see.
Of course, it's a combination of the defense and the tending itself, but it's just not happened yet...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:24 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

DocBarrister

Not to throw cold water, but Hop still doesn't have a tender with recent college saves stats remotely high enough to give solid comfort that they can be a top 10 team.

Until that changes to 52+%, probably not gonna happen.

Yes, Kirson did so back at Ohio State, but under 40% last year for Hop in 9 games prior to being injured.

We'll see.
Of course, it's a combination of the defense and the tending itself, but it's just not happened yet...

I don’t dispute what you’re saying, and I do respect the fact that you are a former collegiate goalie … even if you played at Dartmouth.

There is truth to what you say. However, Coach Milliman does have his options … Kirson, Marcille, Webb, and Versfeld.

That’s a solid crew in net. If the Blue Jays can’t develop a goalie from that set who can save more than 50% of the shots on goal, then I think that speaks more about the coaching than the roster.

DocBarrister (acknowledges that the Dartmouth lacrosse program actually exists)

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:24 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

DocBarrister

Not to throw cold water, but Hop still doesn't have a tender with recent college saves stats remotely high enough to give solid comfort that they can be a top 10 team.

Until that changes to 52+%, probably not gonna happen.

Yes, Kirson did so back at Ohio State, but under 40% last year for Hop in 9 games prior to being injured.

We'll see.
Of course, it's a combination of the defense and the tending itself, but it's just not happened yet...

Versfeld's career Sv% was over 54% at Amherst and as you said Kirson led the Big Ten in Sv% just 2 years ago. So it's not like neither of those guys have a history of performing at that level. Is it just a coincidence you chose 52% as your baseline considering that was Logan's Sv% last season?

alright, lfg!!! starting to get a real transformative vibe from the hop thread, and i have to say i'm here for it.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 pm No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

This post might have more meaning with the possible exception of the fact that you post virtually the exact same thing every single year (maybe you didn't last year because of COVID I don't remember but I can still remember years like 2009 and 2010 when apparently we were inches away from a national championship talent wise except for the fact we lost like 7 games each year and UVA and Duke gave us the worst playoff beatings to date in history).

Depth in goal? Well - I guess 4 guys is technically depth but let's again review those nettlesome thing we call facts
Marcille- 47% save percentage in 4 and a half games. Worst game by far was the last - helped give some energy to the team over the last part of the season
Kirson - 40% save percentage - did not perform well under any analysis - maybe injuries played a role who knows
Versfeld - Has not played a single second of D! lacrosse
Webb - Incoming freshmen

Look, they have some talent - DeSimone/Epstein/Degnon are players that have performed very well at this level in parts
Keogh has talent playing oft-injured and out of position
Angelus has shown some flashes
Peshko and Grimes are the two you really need to make the leap - along with MCDermott - you need them to be more consistent - Peshko looked like Matt Moore against Rutgers - Maryland made him disappear.

This is what you hope to get out of an actual fall and an uninterrupted spring

While we're on the topic of goalies, found it interesting Terry Foy basically said Webb was the best goalie at that practice. It's just one practice, but it's something. 51 is going to have to brush up on his Dragnet if the kid ends up starting. Also noticed he's keeping the #14 in the LB family after Williams.

I've got a lot of respect for Hawley for sticking around—after Uncle Dave was pink-slipped and then he was hurt last year he easily could have packed up his things and taken the first train to the Dome or Terpville but, for whatever reason, he stayed and I hope he finds a role. Kid had some nice moments on the faceoff wing in 2020 and that's one area it seems like we always could use some help with. Obviously the idea is for Fernandez to contribute there as well.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:43 pm While we're on the topic of goalies, found it interesting Terry Foy basically said Webb was the best goalie at that practice. It's just one practice, but it's something. 51 is going to have to brush up on his Dragnet if the kid ends up starting. Also noticed he's keeping the #14 in the LB family after Williams.

I've got a lot of respect for Hawley for sticking around—after Uncle Dave was pink-slipped and then he was hurt last year he easily could have packed up his things and taken the first train to the Dome or Terpville but, for whatever reason, he stayed and I hope he finds a role. Kid had some nice moments on the faceoff wing in 2020 and that's one area it seems like we always could use some help with. Obviously the idea is for Fernandez to contribute there as well.

I loved him in 2020. He made winning plays on the wing. I wondered what happened to him last season.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:43 pm While we're on the topic of goalies, found it interesting Terry Foy basically said Webb was the best goalie at that practice. It's just one practice, but it's something. 51 is going to have to brush up on his Dragnet if the kid ends up starting. Also noticed he's keeping the #14 in the LB family after Williams.

I've got a lot of respect for Hawley for sticking around—after Uncle Dave was pink-slipped and then he was hurt last year he easily could have packed up his things and taken the first train to the Dome or Terpville but, for whatever reason, he stayed and I hope he finds a role. Kid had some nice moments on the faceoff wing in 2020 and that's one area it seems like we always could use some help with. Obviously the idea is for Fernandez to contribute there as well.

I'm hoping that Webb has a great career at Hop, whether he gets lots of PT or not. I know Jack and his family well, have known Jack since he was just 9, so am rooting for him on a personal level. But I don't think that's coloring my perspective. I'm not projecting him as the #1 in 2022, though if the ball bounces that way I'll certainly be smiling for him.

My comment was that Hop needs to have a solid 52+% tender to have an expectation of being a top 10 team. To clarify...for Hopkins.

The current roster doesn't have such proven performance...yet.

The #1 last year had under 40%, the #2 had 47%. I'd expected better.
Yes, the transfer had the right sort of stats in the one game he played in 2020 (vs Tufts) and in the 2019 season in DIII (and NESCAC is good ball), but that's not at Hop. More on point, the #1 did have the right sort of stats when playing for Ohio State, so we know he has the potential to play at that level.

But that's what we'll need to see out of this critical position to truly be a solid top 10 contender. It'll help if the defense, especially ssdms, is stronger, but the real key is going to be the guy in the net. Someone needs to be that guy.

And it may require a 54+% guy.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:43 pm While we're on the topic of goalies, found it interesting Terry Foy basically said Webb was the best goalie at that practice. It's just one practice, but it's something. 51 is going to have to brush up on his Dragnet if the kid ends up starting. Also noticed he's keeping the #14 in the LB family after Williams.

I've got a lot of respect for Hawley for sticking around—after Uncle Dave was pink-slipped and then he was hurt last year he easily could have packed up his things and taken the first train to the Dome or Terpville but, for whatever reason, he stayed and I hope he finds a role. Kid had some nice moments on the faceoff wing in 2020 and that's one area it seems like we always could use some help with. Obviously the idea is for Fernandez to contribute there as well.

I'm hoping that Webb has a great career at Hop, whether he gets lots of PT or not. I know Jack and his family well, have known Jack since he was just 9, so am rooting for him on a personal level. But I don't think that's coloring my perspective. I'm not projecting him as the #1 in 2022, though if the ball bounces that way I'll certainly be smiling for him.

My comment was that Hop needs to have a solid 52+% tender to have an expectation of being a top 10 team. To clarify...for Hopkins.

The current roster doesn't have such proven performance...yet.

I’ve heard a few times this fall that Webb is the real deal and will be on the field sooner or later and much more likely sooner. Out of curiosity was he a PM or DP recruit. I’ve heard some differing opinions on that.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:43 pm While we're on the topic of goalies, found it interesting Terry Foy basically said Webb was the best goalie at that practice. It's just one practice, but it's something. 51 is going to have to brush up on his Dragnet if the kid ends up starting. Also noticed he's keeping the #14 in the LB family after Williams.

I've got a lot of respect for Hawley for sticking around—after Uncle Dave was pink-slipped and then he was hurt last year he easily could have packed up his things and taken the first train to the Dome or Terpville but, for whatever reason, he stayed and I hope he finds a role. Kid had some nice moments on the faceoff wing in 2020 and that's one area it seems like we always could use some help with. Obviously the idea is for Fernandez to contribute there as well.

I'm hoping that Webb has a great career at Hop, whether he gets lots of PT or not. I know Jack and his family well, have known Jack since he was just 9, so am rooting for him on a personal level. But I don't think that's coloring my perspective. I'm not projecting him as the #1 in 2022, though if the ball bounces that way I'll certainly be smiling for him.

My comment was that Hop needs to have a solid 52+% tender to have an expectation of being a top 10 team. To clarify...for Hopkins.

The current roster doesn't have such proven performance...yet.

I’ve heard a few times this fall that Webb is the real deal and will be on the field sooner or later and much more likely sooner. Out of curiosity was he a PM or DP recruit. I’ve heard some differing opinions on that.

He was PM's. Petro recruited Demopolous who then flipped to Brown after the coaching change. Then Webb was brought in to replace him. I believe he committed in August of last year, a few months after PM started. He explained his rather unusual recruiting process at 17:16 on this podcast: https://laxgoalierat.com/jack-webb/

hmmm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:24 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:25 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:45 pm 2022 roster is up.

Lots of new numbers.

No objective person can look at that roster and claim that Hopkins lacks talent.

Blue Jays have a lot of talent and some good depth on their roster. For the first time in a while, that includes SSDM and offensive midfield. Even have some depth in goal, I think.

Good athletes, too. Good speed and size.

Blue Jays don’t have the most talent, speed, or size, but they are a solid top-tenish team.

IF the Blue Jays continue their progress from 2021 (admittedly a big “IF”), they could be a tough out for anyone on their schedule.

DocBarrister

Not to throw cold water, but Hop still doesn't have a tender with recent college saves stats remotely high enough to give solid comfort that they can be a top 10 team.

Until that changes to 52+%, probably not gonna happen.

Yes, Kirson did so back at Ohio State, but under 40% last year for Hop in 9 games prior to being injured.

We'll see.
Of course, it's a combination of the defense and the tending itself, but it's just not happened yet...

Versfeld's career Sv% was over 54% at Amherst and as you said Kirson led the Big Ten in Sv% just 2 years ago. So it's not like neither of those guys have a history of performing at that level. Is it just a coincidence you chose 52% as your baseline considering that was Logan's Sv% last season?

I couldn't figure out this question at first, then realized that by "Logan" you meant Maryland's tender...you probably assumed that I'm a UMD fan?...but my moniker doesn't have anything to do with UMD. I came up with that moniker maybe 15 yrs ago on LP, when my son was still in middle school in Baltimore. And I graduated from a local HS in '76....not very creative and probably confusing...

I'm much more of a Hop fan than UMD, grew up 'hopping' the fence to watch Hop games, backing up the goal as a little kid, 60's then early 70's. My dad was a UVA alum and had been the tender on their '52 NC team, so that was my primary rooting interest back then, but he grew up in the Geneva Apartments on St. Paul Street, so had also grown up watching the Hopkins teams and players of his youth. We watched a ton of games together at Homewood! And we both had/have a ton of friends who played/coached for Hop.

My comment about tenders was simply from the perspective of a son of an AA tender, an AA tender myself, and father of a recent all-Ivy tender. In the current era, sub 52% makes it tough to be highly competitive, sub 50% makes it really, really difficult. I'm sure the Hop coaches know this and would agree as to needing that level of performance. Note, these #'s are way lower than in my day, much less my dad's. Stick technology has made it much more challenging to read shots.

As long time participants on this thread know, I'd been highly critical of the former staff's predilection in ER including why this was so problematic with goalie selection. That was really, really obvious to me. I was less 'informed' as to how tenders were then being trained and managed, but the end result was a tough stretch over the last decade of the early Hop goalie recruits in ER not panning out at remotely the prior history of tenders at Hop.

I've assumed that the current staff may do better. Just didn't in '21.

My son and I will be at an upcoming scrimmage as his alma mater will be visiting so may have a better perspective on the Hop goalie crew than I've been able to get over the past couple of years....entirely out of town for '21, so just online. He has a far better eye than I do, so it'll be interesting to hear what he thinks. Of course, these are just scrimmages, so far from dispositive, but it may be interesting.