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Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:30 pm**

contrary to common current beliefs - high school kids should not need to be in the presence of an "adult-in-charge" at all times.....

in this case the only "adult" around was the media that got it wrong for all the wrong reasons.... and the conservative critics who say that the entire narrative of that episode would have been reported on differently if the kids were wearing pink hats and you put an evangelical in the place of Phillips (who most certainly did not qualify as an adult) - are justified in their frustration.

Even a mild admission of the potential for bias, and a promise to work to overcome it by the media would have allowed them to maintain their credibility. The combination of that loss of credibility smacking into the disintermediation created by the internet has left us with very few "editors" we can trust to help us understand what is important and what is not, and what is real and what is not. It takes a lot of work. Perhaps it always did, and folks were just naive before...

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:35 pm**

HooDat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:30 pm contrary to common current beliefs - high school kids should not need to be in the presence of an "adult-in-charge" at all times.....

in this case the only "adult" around was the media that got it wrong for all the wrong reasons.... and the conservative critics who say that the entire narrative of that episode would have been reported on differently if the kids were wearing pink hats and you put an evangelical in the place of Phillips (who most certainly did not qualify as an adult) - are justified in their frustration.

Even a mild admission of the potential for bias, and a promise to work to overcome it by the media would have allowed them to maintain their credibility. The combination of that loss of credibility smacking into the disintermediation created by the internet has left us with very few "editors" we can trust to help us understand what is important and what is not, and what is real and what is not. It takes a lot of work. Perhaps it always did, and folks were just naive before...

I am not making an excuse for the newspaper getting it "wrong". Maybe the adults were off having a drink. I was just asking since I was familiar with annual school field trips to that town and how they are attempted to be managed......Kids do stupid stuff and so does nutty adults.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:51 pm**

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:29 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:09 pm It would have been better for all concerned had the MSM got it right the first time.
Do you say that same thing about all peaceful protesters who journey to DC ?
What if they were a HS group participating in the NA demonstration who confronted the MAGA hat kids.
And the next day, Nathan Phillips protested at a religious service

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_JePgeYzVE

yeah, it was the HIGH school kid

haven't we stipulated that two jerks were involved?

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:53 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:46 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:48 am
runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:38 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:14 am RRR, you brought this up, not TLD.
You attempted to tell us the kid was a victim and an example of left-wingers attacking white kids.
Maybe out of some sort of knee-jerk TAATS impulse.

It's just that both knuckleheads were in the wrong. Not sure why you persist.
I brought up the media ignoring news that doesn't fit their narrative. (remember your charming whineNcheez comments )

Just curious, did Obama or Bush sell hats?

I doubt you have watched the entire sequence of events, or have the depth to see the Strillix/Marley video star approach a teenager.

This exercise will pretty much be a waste of time, but attempt away I will.

1. Is banging a drum, several inches away from the ears, healthy?

2. Is it a crime to wear a hat with an acronym on it.

3. Point to ONE news story where an Obama hat wearing person was punched in the face, spat on, refused service, etc.

If you won't engage and answer questions, why are you here on this website ?
RRR, I don't need to follow your script to engage.

You whine about the MSM constantly. I get it.
Don't agree with it, but it's not as if you are 100% wrong all the time.

So, I'll address one aspect of your questions.
No other successful national campaign in my lifetime as so appealed to racism as did Trump, with MAGA quite obvious code for such racism.
There's simply no comparison of other 'hats' carrying such fraught meaning.

There's also never been such an openly misogynist in the White House. Nor such a flagrant, serial liar.

Fundamentally, Trump ran a campaign on demographic division, anger and resentment.
And he has run his Presidency in the same way.

Emotions run very high, and Trump likes it that way.

Which isn't to say that the old guy was 'in the right' either.
For Trump supporters, MAGA means just what it says.
Look how it applies to the wide range of policies Trump ran on & governs by.
You just choose to interpret it through your narrow tinted lens, which sees everything as racist.

The Covington kids were participating in non-violent demonstrations in DC, like countless other groups.
They did not cause or invite the confrontation & handled it well when it happened.
The MSM got it wrong the first time, then had to eat their words when all the facts came out.

"For Trump supporters"...'nuff said.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:52 pm**

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:35 pm
HooDat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:30 pm contrary to common current beliefs - high school kids should not need to be in the presence of an "adult-in-charge" at all times.....

in this case the only "adult" around was the media that got it wrong for all the wrong reasons.... and the conservative critics who say that the entire narrative of that episode would have been reported on differently if the kids were wearing pink hats and you put an evangelical in the place of Phillips (who most certainly did not qualify as an adult) - are justified in their frustration.

Even a mild admission of the potential for bias, and a promise to work to overcome it by the media would have allowed them to maintain their credibility. The combination of that loss of credibility smacking into the disintermediation created by the internet has left us with very few "editors" we can trust to help us understand what is important and what is not, and what is real and what is not. It takes a lot of work. Perhaps it always did, and folks were just naive before...
I am not making an excuse for the newspaper getting it "wrong". Maybe the adults were off having a drink. I was just asking since I was familiar with annual school field trips to that town and how they are attempted to be managed......Kids do stupid stuff and so do nutty adults.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:37 pm**

contrary to common current beliefs - high school kids should not need to be in the presence of an "adult-in-charge" at all times.....

Liability suits say otherwise if they're at a school sponsored function.

Posted: **Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:52 pm**

Andersen wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:37 pm
contrary to common current beliefs - high school kids should not need to be in the presence of an "adult-in-charge" at all times.....
Liability suits say otherwise if they're at a school sponsored function.

Winners: https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019 ... rren-magg/

https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/1707929001

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nation ... story.html

People hire PR firms for a reason. It works: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 638400002/

Worked in that town for a year....know those people better than most....Trump had his rally in Cincinnati for a reason. The Covington hayseeds could walk across the bridge to attend the rally and then walk back. Cincinnati is full of people that swam across the river to civilization and didn’t go any further north. Cincinnati is almost Deep South.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:22 pm**

Frank Bruni's Wednesday newsletter:

"In the 2020 presidential race, President Trump has several legs up. The most obvious is incumbency. Most of the American presidents who sought re-election since 1900 — including all but George H.W. Bush in the last 35 years — won a second term. Those are good odds, which become even better if Trump avoids a recession between now and Election Day.

Then there’s the Electoral College. Despite the president’s repeated claims that it favors Democrats, the results in 2016, when Hillary Clinton won nearly three million more votes than he did but nonetheless lost, show otherwise. And according to a recent analysis by The Times’s Nate Cohn, Trump’s edge in the Electoral College, relative to the national popular vote, is shaping up to be even larger than it was then.

And there remains the possibility of interference along the lines of what Russia did in 2016. If you’re a foreign actor with a rooting interest, aren’t you more likely to exercise it on behalf of the guy who has shrugged his shoulders about such machinations?

But those three advantages may matter less than a fourth one, which I found myself mulling after reading and contributing to the coverage of the second round of Democratic primary debates last week. Dozens if not scores of journalists, including me, picked apart Joe Biden’s closing statement, in which he badly bungled what were supposed to be instructions to send a text message of his name to a certain phone number.
Some also noted that he rued the possibility of “eight more years” of Trump rather than “eight years,” which was obviously what he meant. Fact checkers additionally took Biden to task for exaggerated claims about both his health care plan and his role in withdrawing American troops from Iraq.

And there was widespread concern about Biden’s fuzziness. As I wrote in my quickie debate appraisal, there’s “that way in which he trails off at the end of a sentence or an argument, all the little hiccups en route, the messy seams connecting one thought to the next, the demeanor that falls into a maddening gray area between engaged and fully animated.” I noted that if Cory Booker and Bill de Blasio “traffic in too many exclamation points, Biden traffics in too many ellipses.”

All of these complaints, I think, were accurate and fair. But they’re also picayune in the context of what Trump bungles, exaggerates and invents all the time. In the days immediately leading up to and following the debates, he bragged about frequent visits to ground zero after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks that he never made, falsely claimed that he had tried to get his rally audience in North Carolina last month to stop chanting “Send her back” about Representative Ilhan Omar and more. And those are just the little, discrete lies. There are bigger, sustained ones, and perhaps the grandest and most grotesque, as I wrote in my midweek column, is that he deplores racism and hasn’t stoked it.

As for verbal precision and phonetic crispness, remember when Trump implored journalists to look into the “oranges” of Robert Mueller’s investigation? That was in the same stretch of remarks where he bizarrely spouted the fiction that his father was “born in a very wonderful place in Germany.”

The truth is that any week — maybe even any day — of Trump’s presidency contains enough gaffes, crassness and fiction to sink any one of the Democratic candidates for president. And those candidates suffer for their worst moments in a way that he doesn’t for much worse ones.

That’s not because we in the media have stopped scrutinizing him and chronicling those moments. It’s because there are so many that they blur and because they’re baked into the Trump brand. They’re part of the deal that his supporters have made. This is the Trump they bought. This is the Trump they’ll keep.

Whether by design or lucky accident, he has given himself a singular armor, a special inoculation, which is that no one expects more from him because he never managed or earnestly promised to be any better. There’s no shock factor. He’s caught on tape bragging about the unwanted touching of women and much of the electorate’s reaction is: Yeah, sounds about right.

None of the Democratic candidates enjoy this perverse protection because none of them sought it. None wagered that the road to the White House was paved with gratuitous offense, a disregard for pesky facts and the determination never to say you’re sorry. Trump made that bet, which few observers thought was a wise or winning one.

And he prevailed. Now he reaps the rewards."

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:48 pm**

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:52 pm Worked in that town for a year....know those people better than most....Trump had his rally in Cincinnati for a reason. The Covington hayseeds could walk across the bridge to attend the rally and then walk back. Cincinnati is full of people that swam across the river to civilization and didn’t go any further north. Cincinnati is almost Deep South.

Must have been a horrible experience. How did you survive ? I hope it didn't scar you for life.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:53 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:48 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:52 pm Worked in that town for a year....know those people better than most....Trump had his rally in Cincinnati for a reason. The Covington hayseeds could walk across the bridge to attend the rally and then walk back. Cincinnati is full of people that swam across the river to civilization and didn’t go any further north. Cincinnati is almost Deep South.
Must have been a horrible experience. How did you survive ? I hope it didn't scar you for life.

I went back to school. It was fine. I still have friends down there.

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:35 pm**

Everytime Uncle Joe tries to shout out a speech, the more obvious it becomes... .

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Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm**

I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:37 am**

Seatbelts, airbags and other safety features. All mandated by the government.

AI or robots will take millions of jobs. No humans driving 30 ton trucks? What could go wrong. We can't even use AI/robots for our rail system without major problems. A family in a van getting run off the road, crushed, burned and killed, b/c amazing-ON's child slave made cloths or earbuds need to get to you fast. What could go wrong? Mud, insects, animals, etc. will NEVER damage the sensors. Never. Ralph Nadar, where are you?

"...man, such a bleak forecast....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

man, I hate the oligarchy.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:22 am**

Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.

Yup, it is now pretty obvious. Sherrod did not run specifically because he didn't think he could run in Biden's space. It looks like Biden's support is pretty locked in and is as stubborn as Trump's. Sherrod was probably right not to run given this observation. I am not sure Biden's verbal fumbles make much difference when running against Trump.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:26 am**

jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:22 am
Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.
Yup, it is now pretty obvious. Sherrod did not run specifically because he didn't think he could run in Biden's space. It looks like Biden's support is pretty locked in and is as stubborn as Trump's. Sherrod was probably right not to run given this observation. I am not sure Biden's verbal fumbles make much difference when running against Trump.

But it does make one yearn for better than Biden.
I'd vote for Brown's wife!

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:27 am**

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:37 am AI or robots will take millions of jobs. No humans driving 30 ton trucks? What could go wrong. We can't even use AI/robots for our rail system without major problems. A family in a van getting run off the road, crushed, burned and killed, b/c amazing-ON's child slave made cloths or earbuds need to get to you fast. What could go wrong? Mud, insects, animals, etc. will NEVER damage the sensors. Never. Ralph Nadar, where are you?

"...man, such a bleak forecast....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

man, I hate the oligarchy.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this times 1,000,000,000!

I actually thought I was reading RRR

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am**

Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.

Me too. He really has a message that resonates with working people; he's smart, likable and well regarded in the heartland.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:41 pm**

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am
Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.
Me too. He really has a message that resonates with working people; he's smart, likable and well regarded in the heartland.

Biden and Brown is a solid ticket to defeat Trump.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:13 pm**

foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:41 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am
Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.
Me too. He really has a message that resonates with working people; he's smart, likable and well regarded in the heartland.
Biden and Brown is a solid ticket to defeat Trump.

Yeah, I think Brown is a terrific VP candidate for any nominee who makes it through the gauntlet. I am really skeptical, though, that Joe is going to make it to the finish line for the primary, and I have misgivings -- much as I like him -- about Joe's exposure over the many, many months of the Democratic nomination contest and a general election cycle. He has always had a capacity to gaffe. But I do think running for the Presidency when you are 76 (and he will turn 77 in November of this year) is arduous even for someone who is in very good shape, as Biden appears to be. I have misgivings about electing a President who will turn 78 just after election day, and begin one of the more arduous jobs there is on the cusp of 80 years of age. So I spend a good deal of time looking at the other Democratic candidates, and I don't think I'm alone.

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:19 pm**

seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:13 pm
foreverlax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:41 pm
seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 am
Trinity wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 pm I agree. We get old. Both parties have much better. I wanted Sherrod.
Me too. He really has a message that resonates with working people; he's smart, likable and well regarded in the heartland.
Biden and Brown is a solid ticket to defeat Trump.
Yeah, I think Brown is a terrific VP candidate for any nominee who makes it through the gauntlet. I am really skeptical, though, that Joe is going to make it to the finish line for the primary, and I have misgivings -- much as I like him -- about Joe's exposure over the many, many months of the Democratic nomination contest and a general election cycle. He has always had a capacity to gaffe. But I do think running for the Presidency when you are 76 (and he will turn 77 in November of this year) is arduous even for someone who is in very good shape, as Biden appears to be. I have misgivings about electing a President who will turn 78 just after election day, and begin one of the more arduous jobs there is on the cusp of 80 years of age. So I spend a good deal of time looking at the other Democratic candidates, and I don't think I'm alone.

Completely agree....#ABT is the only thing that matters.

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