Progressive Ideology

The odds are excellent that you will leave this forum hating someone.
User avatar
cradleandshoot
Posts: 15302
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:42 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by cradleandshoot »

MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:01 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:06 pm
holmes435 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:05 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:11 pm Progressives’ social weapon is to promote fake outrage. The left incorrectly thinks being a victim makes their voice louder.

It's why they jumped so quickly and incorrectly over the smiling Covington kids, Brett Kavanaugh, and of course the imaginary "MAGA Country!" Smollett attackers. They want to crucify the right so bad, they resort to grasping at straws. And not surprisingly, Harris, Booker, AOC and others will continue to move with impunity. It's what they do. And despite as horrible as Trump is, it's why they blue wave didn't really materialize like they thought. It's why they have little credibility with voters. They are the party of crying wolf.
You're conveniently ignoring decades of conservative fake outrage.

The war on Christmas? The war on religion? The war on marriage? Just mention abortion and you get foaming at the mouth. Global warming is an attack on capitalism and is redistribution of wealth. Universal healthcare is an attack on capitalism and is redistribution of wealth. Supporting farmers is an attack on capitalism and... well we should support our farmers and rural America. Immigrants are attacking our way of life and taking our jobs. Blacks are going to steal your woman - interracial marriage shouldn't be legalized.

Virtually every single conservative and Republican talking point in the past 5+ decades is about an attack on their way of life. The right has perfected fear-mongering and victimization. It's hilarious, but extremely sad, projection.

The left comes up with lofty ideals and goals which are semi-unrealistic. The right just doubles down on defense most of the time, which does win elections.

The MAGA-wearing conservatives may be getting punched in the mouth here and there, but they aren't getting lynched by the dozens or hundreds, getting tortured and set on fire for being gay, getting murdered for being trans, getting sterilized en masse for being native or being a woman, or any more of many horrific acts. Then you have the less lethal victimization, like not being able to vote, own land, get mortgages, marry someone you love, etc. etc.

Those liberals may step over the line sometimes, but they do have a history of being, you know, actual victims
This may bethe biggest bunch of horsechips you have ever posted. You just made the most asinine analogy I have read in a very long time. Well liberals may be beating the chit out of people... but...but...but those other folks were doing it first. When somebody beats the chit out of you I don't think it really matters to them two figs what the other persons ideology was. Two wrongs will never make a right. The new defense from the crazy left wingers is... hey its no biggie if a few MAGA hat wearing people get their brains beat in... because... well... like... you know... fer sure them other folks did it waaaaaaaay before we did. By the way Holmes... what party was it that had all of the folks doing the lyinching waaaaay back in the day? :P You seem to have a very short memory... Those beloved Democrats back in the day sure had some funny ways of showing their respect for their fellow man. https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/06/ ... na-charen/ That beloved figure Robert Byrd... he was quite a guy wasn't he Holmes? Beloved Democrat former KKK leading icon of the Democrat party. If you want to tell the story grow a big pair of balls and tell the whole story.
You seem headed for Bandito territory cradle.
You seem headed for burying your head in the sand so you won't see stuff that you don't want to see. Tell me the truth then about Robert Byrd. Where am I misinformed about the Democratic icon? I don't compare myself to anyone. If someone say something I strongly disagree with I will express my opinion in my own way. That does not make me right or wrong. That is the neat thing about opinions that is all they are. 8-)
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
foreverlax
Posts: 3219
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:21 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by foreverlax »

Where am I misinformed about the Democratic icon?
In today's world, Byrd and Thurmond, no matter how much some want to call them hero's of the left, they would fit right in with the current cast of "crackers" on the right.

Reagan, would clearly be a RINO.
jhu72
Posts: 14431
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by jhu72 »

They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
Image STAND AGAINST FASCISM
runrussellrun
Posts: 7583
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:07 am

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by runrussellrun »

jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
But....the link YOU gave labels POS Byrd a LEGEND. Saying so is, what did YOU call it? Moronic.

tRump's got another twenty years to be reasonable human being......as you describe bryd.

Look in the mirror when calling other perjoritives.
ILM...Independent Lives Matter
Pronouns: "we" and "suck"
Typical Lax Dad
Posts: 33933
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:10 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by Typical Lax Dad »

jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
Liberal and conservative labels were exchanged for democrat and republican during the bush / Dukakis race. My father was a conservative Democrat. Like a lot of democrats. Conservative vs Liberal is an easier way to split people based on ideology. It’s not called political science for nothing.
“I wish you would!”
jhu72
Posts: 14431
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by jhu72 »

runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:00 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
But....the link YOU gave labels POS Byrd a LEGEND. Saying so is, what did YOU call it? Moronic.

tRump's got another twenty years to be reasonable human being......as you describe bryd.

Look in the mirror when calling other perjoritives.

Good advice. :roll:

You might want to check up on the meaning of the word LEGEND there SFB. "An extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field". In Byrd's case, a word that is used correctly by the author of the article.
Image STAND AGAINST FASCISM
runrussellrun
Posts: 7583
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:07 am

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by runrussellrun »

jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:09 am
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:00 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
But....the link YOU gave labels POS Byrd a LEGEND. Saying so is, what did YOU call it? Moronic.

tRump's got another twenty years to be reasonable human being......as you describe bryd.

Look in the mirror when calling other perjoritives.

Good advice. :roll:
Is there a difference between legend and hero?

Democrats being racist.......doing just fine in 2019. Oh, right, zionism IS the NOI of the world. Oh, wait. Didn't Obama invite THIS guy?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/ ... gay-pastor

tRump should be so lucky. :roll:
ILM...Independent Lives Matter
Pronouns: "we" and "suck"
jhu72
Posts: 14431
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by jhu72 »

Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:04 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
Liberal and conservative labels were exchanged for democrat and republican during the bush / Dukakis race. My father was a conservative Democrat. Like a lot of democrats. Conservative vs Liberal is an easier way to split people based on ideology. It’s not called political science for nothing.
My dad was a conservative democrat as well. He left the party in the aforementioned Lyndon Johnson time frame. His negative feeling towards social progress far out weighed his belief in the small government, trickle down BS of the republican party. Pretty typical Trumpnista perspective.

He died shortly before 9/11. I loved him but it is probably fortunate. He was not made for or prepared to live in these times.
Image STAND AGAINST FASCISM
Typical Lax Dad
Posts: 33933
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:10 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by Typical Lax Dad »

jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:33 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:04 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am They were never heros of the left as understood today. Saying so is moronic. When the bulk of the racists departed the democratic party for republican party after Lyndon Johnson chased them out - unintentionally (including Strom Thurmond); this was a decision made by the racists themselves, Byrd stayed in the democratic party. These folks were ALWAYS CONSERVATIVES!!! There used to be conservative democrats; there used to be liberal republicans. Byrd was a pretty despicable character in his early life. He did however work on his problem and made progress in becoming a more reasonable human being by the end of his life. Far from perfect, never a hero of the left. :roll: He was however late in his life praised for his work in the civil rights movement after realizing the error of his ways. A story of redemption, in part.

The real Robert Byrd Story.
Liberal and conservative labels were exchanged for democrat and republican during the bush / Dukakis race. My father was a conservative Democrat. Like a lot of democrats. Conservative vs Liberal is an easier way to split people based on ideology. It’s not called political science for nothing.
My dad was a conservative democrat as well. He left the party in the aforementioned Lyndon Johnson time frame. His negative feeling towards social progress far out weighed his belief in the small government, trickle down BS of the republican party. Pretty typical Trumpnista perspective.

He died shortly before 9/11. I loved him but it is probably fortunate. He was not made for or prepared to live in these times.
Yep. Times have changed.
“I wish you would!”
jhu72
Posts: 14431
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:52 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by jhu72 »

Image STAND AGAINST FASCISM
kramerica.inc
Posts: 6379
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by kramerica.inc »

Progressives really jump into "legislating"

:roll:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/us/p ... ction.html
kramerica.inc
Posts: 6379
Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by kramerica.inc »

Another "young superstar" of the Democratic party.

Omar's comments spur motion to condemn anti-semitic comments in Congress.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/70016311 ... ilhan-omar
a fan
Posts: 19410
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by a fan »

kramerica.inc wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:56 pm Progressives really jump into "legislating"

:roll:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/us/p ... ction.html
R's control the Senate. Trump controls the veto.

After watching the R's hammer Hillary for four years on Benghazi----a strategy that plainly worked---what did you expect that they would do?

The R's showed how it's done!
Trinity
Posts: 3513
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:14 am

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by Trinity »

Trump’s gonna sign which Democratic bills into law? When is Infrastructure Week?
“I don’t take responsibility at all.” —Donald J Trump
User avatar
MDlaxfan76
Posts: 27036
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:40 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by MDlaxfan76 »

cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:32 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:01 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:06 pm
holmes435 wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:05 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:11 pm Progressives’ social weapon is to promote fake outrage. The left incorrectly thinks being a victim makes their voice louder.

It's why they jumped so quickly and incorrectly over the smiling Covington kids, Brett Kavanaugh, and of course the imaginary "MAGA Country!" Smollett attackers. They want to crucify the right so bad, they resort to grasping at straws. And not surprisingly, Harris, Booker, AOC and others will continue to move with impunity. It's what they do. And despite as horrible as Trump is, it's why they blue wave didn't really materialize like they thought. It's why they have little credibility with voters. They are the party of crying wolf.
You're conveniently ignoring decades of conservative fake outrage.

The war on Christmas? The war on religion? The war on marriage? Just mention abortion and you get foaming at the mouth. Global warming is an attack on capitalism and is redistribution of wealth. Universal healthcare is an attack on capitalism and is redistribution of wealth. Supporting farmers is an attack on capitalism and... well we should support our farmers and rural America. Immigrants are attacking our way of life and taking our jobs. Blacks are going to steal your woman - interracial marriage shouldn't be legalized.

Virtually every single conservative and Republican talking point in the past 5+ decades is about an attack on their way of life. The right has perfected fear-mongering and victimization. It's hilarious, but extremely sad, projection.

The left comes up with lofty ideals and goals which are semi-unrealistic. The right just doubles down on defense most of the time, which does win elections.

The MAGA-wearing conservatives may be getting punched in the mouth here and there, but they aren't getting lynched by the dozens or hundreds, getting tortured and set on fire for being gay, getting murdered for being trans, getting sterilized en masse for being native or being a woman, or any more of many horrific acts. Then you have the less lethal victimization, like not being able to vote, own land, get mortgages, marry someone you love, etc. etc.

Those liberals may step over the line sometimes, but they do have a history of being, you know, actual victims
This may bethe biggest bunch of horsechips you have ever posted. You just made the most asinine analogy I have read in a very long time. Well liberals may be beating the chit out of people... but...but...but those other folks were doing it first. When somebody beats the chit out of you I don't think it really matters to them two figs what the other persons ideology was. Two wrongs will never make a right. The new defense from the crazy left wingers is... hey its no biggie if a few MAGA hat wearing people get their brains beat in... because... well... like... you know... fer sure them other folks did it waaaaaaaay before we did. By the way Holmes... what party was it that had all of the folks doing the lyinching waaaaay back in the day? :P You seem to have a very short memory... Those beloved Democrats back in the day sure had some funny ways of showing their respect for their fellow man. https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/06/ ... na-charen/ That beloved figure Robert Byrd... he was quite a guy wasn't he Holmes? Beloved Democrat former KKK leading icon of the Democrat party. If you want to tell the story grow a big pair of balls and tell the whole story.
You seem headed for Bandito territory cradle.
You seem headed for burying your head in the sand so you won't see stuff that you don't want to see. Tell me the truth then about Robert Byrd. Where am I misinformed about the Democratic icon? I don't compare myself to anyone. If someone say something I strongly disagree with I will express my opinion in my own way. That does not make me right or wrong. That is the neat thing about opinions that is all they are. 8-)
Just checking, but you really aren't Bandito, right??? We went through this nonsensical argument with him.

BTW, I'm a lifelong R. But from the Gen. Eisenhower, Nelson Rockefeller, Mac Mathias, Jack Kemp wing of the party.
We were on the opposite side of the Byrd element of the Dem party of his early era.

Unfortunately, that element moved to the GOP...and now are ascendant.
Pretty disgusting, IMO, whatever the party label.
6ftstick
Posts: 3194
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:19 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by 6ftstick »

Not sure about the other posters here but I can't wait for Congresswomen Omar, Tlaib, Occassion-Cortez and Senator Hirono making decisions about my healthcare. Being an evil white conservative male.
foreverlax
Posts: 3219
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:21 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by foreverlax »

6ftstick wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:04 am Not sure about the other posters here but I can't wait for Congresswomen Omar, Tlaib, Occassion-Cortez and Senator Hirono making decisions about my healthcare. Being an evil white conservative male.
Not to worry - they got you covered, especially if you have a pre-existing condition. You won't go bankrupt either if you get really sick.
6ftstick
Posts: 3194
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:19 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by 6ftstick »

foreverlax wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:07 am
6ftstick wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:04 am Not sure about the other posters here but I can't wait for Congresswomen Omar, Tlaib, Occassion-Cortez and Senator Hirono making decisions about my healthcare. Being an evil white conservative male.
Not to worry - they got you covered, especially if you have a pre-existing condition. You won't go bankrupt either if you get really sick.
YEH SURE.
6ftstick
Posts: 3194
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:19 pm

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by 6ftstick »

Coming soon to holiday parades in Minnesota.

https://www.jta.org/2019/03/04/global/b ... money-bags
DMac
Posts: 9308
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:02 am

Re: Progressive Ideology

Post by DMac »

6ftstick wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:04 am Not sure about the other posters here but I can't wait for Congresswomen Omar, Tlaib, Occassion-Cortez and Senator Hirono making decisions about my healthcare. Being an evil white conservative male.
You're concerned about these gals as opposed to the crooks who are making those decisions now?
Opposed to them but not the thieving and corrupt lobbyists?
Hopefully you'll never need a prescription for that blind R allegiance disease you're suffering from, brotha, cuz those Big Pharma boys aint got no intentions of bringing those skyrocketing meds prices down any time soon. Oh wait, your health insurance will cover all that, right?
https://accessiblemeds.org/resources/bl ... ving-costs
Post Reply

Return to “POLITICS”