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faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

But if the furore lasts through the offseason InsideLacrosse may get more traffic.

Mid-Lax wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 12:53 pm Does the laxpower2 site use the old laxpower algorithm?

Yes

Lots of silly arguments have been made in Notre Dame's favor. Unfortunately, all of this Irish squawking has deflected attention away from what a fantastic season the Ivy League has had. Even if "only" four or five Ivies had made the dance, that would have been an unprecedented high number for the Ivy. The so-called experts didn't foresee such Ivy strength (and to be honest, nobody really did), nor did they foresee the ACC's weak OOC performance. Rather than admitting that they were wrong-- wrong about the Ivy, wrong about the ACC and wrong about ACC teams Duke and Notre Dame-- they say that the selection process is wrong... not that they squawked like this when Cornell got wronged in 2019. It has been a fantastic year for men's Ivy League lacrosse. This is the real story, but one they just are not willing to stress because it shows how wrong they were.

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

More clown stuff!!

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:12 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

More clown stuff!!

When Cornell didn't make it in in 2019, I think that Pete Milliman came out with a statement that, basically, said: "we could have done better". I wonder Coach Corrigan might do the same. Thus far, all he has done has complain that the Irish are a good team who belongs in the tournament.

Back to how the committee chooses the NCAA participants: to reward the teams with the highest cumulative achievement - the most deserving. It is not to pick the (subjective) best, nor those that pass the 'eye test', nor those atop an algorithm or poll, nor those peaking at the end, nor those with the (lol) best athletes or highest number of AAs. As for the ESPN-ACC commentators, Inside Lacrosse, and Lax community's shock that multiple ACC schools did not get selected, a high number of IL teams did including Harvard being last-in over Notre Dame, I believe the committee fairly evaluated the criteria and did its job well. And so, in agreement with faircornell, there is no reason to throw out the system because it yielded surprising results.

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 9:12 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

More clown stuff!!

When Cornell didn't make it in in 2019, I think that Pete Milliman came out with a statement that, basically, said: "we could have done better". I wonder Coach Corrigan might do the same. Thus far, all he has done has complain that the Irish are a good team who belongs in the tournament.

Corrigan is poison

FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

This is so laughable they had to win one game out of 4. No one talks about bad coaching year after year top talent no results, why is UNC coach always on hot seat not ND coach?

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:28 am

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

Not particularly noteworthy. Your comment is interesting though.

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:32 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:28 am

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

Not particularly noteworthy. Your comment is interesting though.

maybe it is. i'd guess we're not in agreement.

Crossposted from Brown thread:

That was a good podcast. (L. Kent & D. Molloy on Brown fbook)

On the other hand I listened to Squint's & Cottle's "Why the committee effed up" podcast while taking my daily constitutional. Just .
Squint 1: you have to take account of a team getting better over the course of the season. (ed:if it's Notre Dame)
Squint 2: Harvard gets credit for beating Brown? ND beat UNC, and they beat Brown. (ed:in February. See Squint 1)
Squint 3: I called that game, UNC dominated Brown. (ed: it was 11-11 with 5 mins left you $#ithead)

lorin wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:18 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 pm Terry Foy on social media today hyping why Notre Dame is a justified #4 and Cornell a justified #11, and Harvard a justified #14 team. He may be correct, and it's a reasonable opinion. However to fuel the fire that the selection process is "flawed" because ND didn't take care of business early in the season is kind of silly.

This is so laughable they had to win one game out of 4. No one talks about bad coaching year after year top talent no results, why is UNC coach always on hot seat not ND coach?

Corrigan has pictures…

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 3:50 pm Crossposted from Brown thread:

That was a good podcast. (L. Kent & D. Molloy on Brown fbook)

On the other hand I listened to Squint's & Cottle's "Why the committee effed up" podcast while taking my daily constitutional. Just .
Squint 1: you have to take account of a team getting better over the course of the season. (ed:if it's Notre Dame)
Squint 2: Harvard gets credit for beating Brown? ND beat UNC, and they beat Brown. (ed:in February. See Squint 1)
Squint 3: I called that game, UNC dominated Brown. (ed: it was 11-11 with 5 mins left you $#ithead)

Lol. Dominated when it was tied with 5 minutes left. He must be saying these outlandish things purposely just to get rises out of us Ivy Leaguers ( and it's working) OR he just likes to embarrass himself every chance he gets.

I feel sorry for the poor fans of the teams he is doing this weekend. The MUTE button will never get more use than in games he covers.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

I'm pretty sure that Quint checks in on FanLax based on some of his ongoing commentary. Respectfully, I'm pretty sure that part of his brand revolves around being controversial. However, seeing some of the language directed at the Committee on social media (abusive and violent), at some point, it's really time to tone it down.

Notre Dame lost four significant games. While they may be playing to their potential now, they did not do so all season long. That hurt them. That's not a new phenomenon. The ACC cancelled their tournament. That's not a resume building strategy. Duke and Notre Dame are both great programs, and would likely have done well in the tournament. However, these rules aren't new, and Quint and the leadership of these ACC schools would be their " best selves" if they simply acknowledged their shortcomings. Both programs will be back next year and be stronger for the experience of 2022.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:28 am

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

I'm glad that he said something that was sportsman-like. I'd read his quote from the student newspaper that was particularly scathing with respect to the Committee.

faircornell wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 5:49 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:28 am

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

I'm glad that he said something that was sportsman-like. I'd read his quote from the student newspaper that was particularly scathing with respect to the Committee.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was spoken to.

faircornell wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 5:42 pm I'm pretty sure that Quint checks in on FanLax based on some of his ongoing commentary. Respectfully, I'm pretty sure that part of his brand revolves around being controversial. However, seeing some of the language directed at the Committee on social media (abusive and violent), at some point, it's really time to tone it down.

Quint is very aware of his brand, and very careful about what he says and how he says it on different forms of media. On ESPN, where his audience is broad, he’s very careful about what he says. For example in late season ESPNU broadcasts he was complimentary towards the Ivies, while simultaneously, on Twitter he dropped the famous “11-1 in one-goal games” line. On the selection show, he was careful to say OSU was justified in getting into the tournament, before going on Twitter rants about the Ivies. I think Wheels pointed out how much more biased he sounds on the ACC network broadcasts, than on ESPNU broadcasts. He is a master at playing to the audience he is reaching within a medium.

Carc, on the other hand, is just a knucklehead who has no media savvy whatsoever.

faircornell wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 5:49 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 10:28 am

RopeUnit wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 9:38 am FWIW, Terry Foy does have a quote from Kevin Corrigan:
"College athletics is first and foremost for the athletes. The teams that were selected for the tournament all had great seasons that put them in a position to be selected. Congratulations to them and best of luck in the tournament."

i'm sure faircornell and pizza will be chiming in on the quote.

I'm glad that he said something that was sportsman-like. I'd read his quote from the student newspaper that was particularly scathing with respect to the Committee.

Would you have a link to this quote or article?