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Cross posting...

Wherein, with Russia's best laid plan to install Pauley Manafort as Cheeto's Chief of Staff thwarted, Putin must use tanks now to achieve what their WH mole might have done in a Trump White House...

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Ukraine has been a part of that and starting in 2010, Paul Manafort was useful to giving his puppets the patina of legitimacy. After Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster, Ukraine was useful as a testing ground for various kinds of hybrid warfare, most spectacularly with the NotPetya attack in 2018.

Ukraine — the partnership of Konstantin Kilimnik and Oleg Deripaska, along with their leverage over Paul Manafort — was also whence Russian launched its 2016 attack (I need to find the reference, but they knew they could place Manafort as campaign manager before the end of 2015). As I have written (in a piece on my understanding of the role of using the Steele dossier as a vehicle for disinformation), Russia’s interference in 2016 is best understood as a win-win. If Hillary won, Roger Stone would have rolled out the same Stop the Steal plan that was used in 2020 back in 2016. Trump’s win was an unexpected bonus.

As part of the 2016 operation, Russia also did unprecedented damage to the NSA (through the Shadow Brokers operation) and the CIA (in the way that WikiLeaks rolled out the Vault 7 release).The failure of Russia’s attempt to blame its interference on a false flag thwarted Russia’s best laid plans — which would have involved Kilimnik calling in the quid pro quo made with Manafort on August 2, 2016 and getting Trump to help carve up Ukraine in the same way Russia is currently doing with tanks.

Even still, the Russian investigation paid huge dividends and, given Putin’s long game, to date has surely more than worth it. That’s because the FBI-led investigation into Trump’s cooperation with Russia, over time, came to train Republicans to trust Putin more than they trust Democrats.

Republicans genuinely believe, falsely, that the FBI deliberately attempted to take Trump out (entirely memory holing Jim Comey’s role in getting Trump elected, much less that the FBI Agents running informants on the Clinton Foundation during the election were explicitly anti-Hillary). The dossier disinformation project proved so wildly successful that most Republicans genuinely believe, falsely, that there wasn’t abundant proof of cooperation between Trump and Russia, including communications directly with the Kremlin during the election that Michael Cohen lied to hide. Republican members of Congress genuinely came to believe — because they had to! — that Trump’s refusal to spend the money in support of Ukraine they had appropriated was just another Democratic attack on Trump and not an attempt to save the integrity of American democracy. All this culminated in Stop the Steal 2.0, a literal attack on American democracy; Republican fealty to Trump forced them — more reluctantly at first and driven in large part by real terror — to defend an assault on Congress.
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Re: The Unindicted Co-Conspirator - The Mueller Report Saga

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:21 pm Cross posting...

Wherein, with Russia's best laid plan to install Pauley Manafort as Cheeto's Chief of Staff thwarted, Putin must use tanks now to achieve what their WH mole might have done in a Trump White House...

...the musings of a well-informed, and agenda-less, journalist...
Ukraine has been a part of that and starting in 2010, Paul Manafort was useful to giving his puppets the patina of legitimacy. After Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster, Ukraine was useful as a testing ground for various kinds of hybrid warfare, most spectacularly with the NotPetya attack in 2018.

Ukraine — the partnership of Konstantin Kilimnik and Oleg Deripaska, along with their leverage over Paul Manafort — was also whence Russian launched its 2016 attack (I need to find the reference, but they knew they could place Manafort as campaign manager before the end of 2015). As I have written (in a piece on my understanding of the role of using the Steele dossier as a vehicle for disinformation), Russia’s interference in 2016 is best understood as a win-win. If Hillary won, Roger Stone would have rolled out the same Stop the Steal plan that was used in 2020 back in 2016. Trump’s win was an unexpected bonus.

As part of the 2016 operation, Russia also did unprecedented damage to the NSA (through the Shadow Brokers operation) and the CIA (in the way that WikiLeaks rolled out the Vault 7 release).The failure of Russia’s attempt to blame its interference on a false flag thwarted Russia’s best laid plans — which would have involved Kilimnik calling in the quid pro quo made with Manafort on August 2, 2016 and getting Trump to help carve up Ukraine in the same way Russia is currently doing with tanks.

Even still, the Russian investigation paid huge dividends and, given Putin’s long game, to date has surely more than worth it. That’s because the FBI-led investigation into Trump’s cooperation with Russia, over time, came to train Republicans to trust Putin more than they trust Democrats.

Republicans genuinely believe, falsely, that the FBI deliberately attempted to take Trump out (entirely memory holing Jim Comey’s role in getting Trump elected, much less that the FBI Agents running informants on the Clinton Foundation during the election were explicitly anti-Hillary). The dossier disinformation project proved so wildly successful that most Republicans genuinely believe, falsely, that there wasn’t abundant proof of cooperation between Trump and Russia, including communications directly with the Kremlin during the election that Michael Cohen lied to hide. Republican members of Congress genuinely came to believe — because they had to! — that Trump’s refusal to spend the money in support of Ukraine they had appropriated was just another Democratic attack on Trump and not an attempt to save the integrity of American democracy. All this culminated in Stop the Steal 2.0, a literal attack on American democracy; Republican fealty to Trump forced them — more reluctantly at first and driven in large part by real terror — to defend an assault on Congress.
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Tough news today for the TDS sect.

Two prosecutors leading Manhattan criminal probe into Trump RESIGN after new DA Alvin Bragg raised 'serious doubts' about case: Probe grinds to halt with NO witnesses questioned for a month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... oubts.html

Oooooops.
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Re: The Unindicted Co-Conspirator - The Mueller Report Saga

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Petey's obviously not following the other discussion.

This topic doesn't actually fit this thread. Nothing to do with Mueller.

The investigation is continuing, but this grand jury is wrapping up. These two prosecutors worked for Vance, only kept on to stay with this grand jury.

Weisselberg didn't flip, so it's likely they want to wait until James puts the protagonists under oath as her bar in civil is lower. They'll either take the 5th, which would be useful to the criminal side, or actually discuss their intent in their various material misstatements which would be super interesting.

Criminal requires a higher intent bar.

Civil isn't as high, as simply the material misstatements in various situations can be shown as a pattern and practice, and doesn't need the same sort of witness testimony to intent in order to establish liability civilly...and we're talking many tens of millions of potential such civil liability.

Criminal is another story.

so, this may be just timing issues...or the new AG has intended to replace these prosecutors all along.

Hard to know for sure.
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Let’s Recall What Exactly Paul Manafort and Rudy Giuliani Were Doing in Ukraine

1. Donald trump's Campaign Manager. CHECK

2. Donald trump's Personal Lawyer. CHECK
[The disgraced, twice impeached former] President Trump’s former campaign chairman and former lawyer worked with, between them, a deposed authoritarian president, a bevy of oligarchs, Russia-oriented politicians and alleged Russian spies.
The REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Senate Intelligence Committee exhaustively catalogued all the collusion going on between these people. Technically illegal or not, who the he!! would want these people anywhere NEAR power n American government?

No one this side of MAGAt-ville, that's who...

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Re: The Trump - Russia Connection

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Yeah, it's the old Mueller Report thread...which John Durham insists on keeping in the news. You know, the report that said, in BLACK and WHITE that were Trump not president, he would've been indicted for Obstruction of Justice...

SIX INVESTIGATIVE FILES FROM THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DURHAM MAY HAVE JUST COMMITTED TO PROVIDING MICHAEL SUSSMANN

No one understands this labyrinthine legal issue like Marcy Wheeler. John Durham has made a move that may likely draw Trump's 2016 campaign activity ever closer to proving the collusion they have long attempted to run from.

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dislaxxic wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:41 am Yeah, it's the old Mueller Report thread...which John Durham insists on keeping in the news. You know, the report that said, in BLACK and WHITE that were Trump not president, he would've been indicted for Obstruction of Justice...

SIX INVESTIGATIVE FILES FROM THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DURHAM MAY HAVE JUST COMMITTED TO PROVIDING MICHAEL SUSSMANN

No one understands this labyrinthine legal issue like Marcy Wheeler. John Durham has made a move that may likely draw Trump's 2016 campaign activity ever closer to proving the collusion they have long attempted to run from.

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why not reply directly to the thread nanny, who attacked a poster for commenting "off topic" You just sided with Pete ;)
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dislaxxic wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:41 am Yeah, it's the old Mueller Report thread...which John Durham insists on keeping in the news. You know, the report that said, in BLACK and WHITE that were Trump not president, he would've been indicted for Obstruction of Justice...

SIX INVESTIGATIVE FILES FROM THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION DURHAM MAY HAVE JUST COMMITTED TO PROVIDING MICHAEL SUSSMANN

No one understands this labyrinthine legal issue like Marcy Wheeler. John Durham has made a move that may likely draw Trump's 2016 campaign activity ever closer to proving the collusion they have long attempted to run from.

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... very interesting. We will see.
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THE BARR MEMO RELIED ON COVERING UP THE ONGOING ROGER STONE CONSPIRACY INVESTIGATION

OS, what say you about what Billy Barr did with the Mueller Report? Not a "leak", right?

A flat-out LIE?

"Lack of prosecution" or "exoneration" by LIE?

Think it's over? Sure ain't.

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Re: Massive Trump Corruption - Years Long Thread

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The One Big Lesson for Merrick Garland in the Newly Released Barr Memo

If ever an American political figure actually NEEDS to be locked up, this guy is the one.

Billy Barr TOTALLY whitewashed the huge number of instances of Obstruction of Justice committed by Donald Trump.
"...inside access is not needed to see that something is rotten here. It was always puzzling how this memo was submitted just two days after Barr received the 400-page Mueller report. How could he and his colleagues possibly process all of that information in 48 hours and come to such a weighty decision not to prosecute? That apparent hastiness was always an indication that Barr’s goal was to cover-up—and not uncover—the truth. But now that we have the memo that is even more clear.

Remember, before Barr was appointed as attorney general, he wrote a memo to former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein saying there was no obstruction in Trump’s interactions with former FBI Director James Comey. That was, of course, well before Barr got the Mueller Report. It seems the fix was in.

What do you get when an attorney general covers up presidential obstruction? More obstruction. That is what we saw in the Ukraine investigation that led to the first impeachment proceeding, what a federal judge found likely happened with Trump’s involvement in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election, and what the Justice Department identified as one of the three potential charges in their current document crimes investigation, as reflected in the Mar-a-Lago search warrant.

Now it is true that Justice Department policy instructs that a sitting president should not be prosecuted. I would argue that this blanket policy is wrong. But even taking it into consideration, if you are the attorney general, you cannot distort available facts and law and then flush a case down the toilet. It is the attorney general’s duty to uphold the rule of law. Here that means preserving the case for the post-presidency by trying to get a tolling agreement, extending the statute of limitations. And if you cannot secure a tolling agreement, then you decide how to proceed with the case from there.

Make no mistake, questions of whether to charge a sitting president with crimes relating to abuse of his office are hard ones. But that is all the more reason they should be honestly grappled with. Barr’s answers were so wrong that they call his good faith in this whole affair into question, as those two federal judges appointed under presidents of different parties found.

Barr had somewhat redeemed himself by confronting Trump during the attack on the 2020 election. But the memo reminds us that he is no hero.

His is not the only reputation to take a hit. Mueller made a terrible judgment by not reaching a conclusion on whether Trump committed crimes, leaving the question open so Barr could distort it.

Current Attorney General Merrick Garland and his colleagues should be applauded for not pursuing this appeal further and for releasing the memo. They might have adhered to the traditional norm of protecting the Justice Department’s internal deliberations. But adherence to norms when they don’t fit egregious circumstances is what got Mueller in trouble. When dealing with Trump and his enablers, a different approach is required. That is a lesson to all of us going forward.
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So...bets on what time the DOJ will file their response this evening?
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12 midnight won that bet...

Bets on when the indictments will commence?

I'll take November 11th...

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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:41 am 12 midnight won that bet...

Bets on when the indictments will commence?

I'll take November 11th...

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Friday after the election, but Veteran's Day...could be.

I'll say Monday the 14th.
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Re: Trump's Russian Collusion

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This is an exhaustive thread about Trump-Russian collusion.

Today, 10-11-2022, Igor Danchenko, is going on trial and we may at last learn a lot about how Russia used the Steele Dossier as disinformation to sow confusion in US politics and further Donald Trump's dark designs on the US election process...

Stay tuned as this trial proceeds...

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dislaxxic wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:58 am This is an exhaustive thread about Trump-Russian collusion.

Today, 10-11-2022, Igor Danchenko, is going on trial and we may at last learn a lot about how Russia used the Steele Dossier as disinformation to sow confusion in US politics and further Donald Trump's dark designs on the US election process...

Stay tuned as this trial proceeds...

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Looks like Comey offered $1,000,000 to Steele if he could corroborate the "dossier". Check returned unendorsed. So they knew it was false and still used it to get FISA warrants. They knew Trump was a threat, not to the country, but to their unchecked power.
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Yeah, we'd need some references to that very trumpian attempt at some sort of exoneration...

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JOHN DURHAM TWICE MISREAD STEELE DOSSIER SOURCING TO INVENT A PARTISAN CLAIM

Trump - Russian collusion during the 2016 campaign was very real.

In many respects, the Russian collusion worked. Just look at the state of US politics today. The POISON that IS Donald Trump...and the attitudes that make him a hero to some American voters...is spreading its infection to this day.

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dislaxxic wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:07 am JOHN DURHAM TWICE MISREAD STEELE DOSSIER SOURCING TO INVENT A PARTISAN CLAIM

Trump - Russian collusion during the 2016 campaign was very real.

In many respects, the Russian collusion worked. Just look at the state of US politics today. The POISON that IS Donald Trump...and the attitudes that make him a hero to some American voters...is spreading its infection to this day.

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It actually never happened and you’ve been duped and keep spreading that lie. It’s been proven over and over to be a lie. The democrats actually colluded. Everything Democrats accuse republicans of doing, they do themselves. It’s par for the course for them. You keep waiting and waiting for something to happen to Trump. Guess what? Nothing is going to happen.

Biden actually just colluded and asked for a Quid Pro Quo with Saudi Arabia regarding oil production and prices to try and deceive and lie to the American people to hopefully save the midterm elections. This is what I’m talking about. They accuse Republicans of doing things that they themselves do.
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