Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:34 pm
difficult to believe anyone can defend the idjit-in-chief after revelations like those
The problem with this, is that IMHO, this sends the wrong signal.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:06 pm I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.
You do realize that Steve Mnuchin has no major concerns about the economy?a fan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:56 pmThe problem with this, is that IMHO, this sends the wrong signal.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:06 pm I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.
I'll be shocked if they don't shut down ala Italy this week for the entire nation, for a month to two months.
This is why I keep saying the financial package needs to be massive. I'm worried about cash withdrawals, frankly, given the hoarding that's going on.
If I were Trump?
1. Mortgage holiday for all loans. I'd call in all the bank CEOS to figure out how to make that work. People are about to stop paying bills, and turtle up. Both as a business, and as people.
2. $3,000 per month for every tax filer deposited NOW.
3. Get your best people on figuring out how to handle the homeless. If you don't? That's how the virus will REALLY get out of control.
Read Newt Ginrich's piece on Italy. Not only is the US economy in a world of hurt? The UK and EU are about to go through the same thing. As I said two weeks ago, this is far worse than both 9/11 and the 08 crash. Piddly, stupid financial measures are a complete waste of money. The reason I'd go big isn't just so we can SURVIVE this thing-----I would want our country to come out of this thing with our economy ROARING.
Been saying this for two weeks. Listening to the financial talking heads on MSNBC tells you just how poorly educated those guys are. Makes me wonder how they all got that rich. They've been talking about this as if there is going to be a five second pause, and in the fall, everything will be back to normal.
The ONLY way that we aren't in a critical economic situation, is if the quarantine lasts just a couple of weeks. I feel like the odds of that are really low.
But yes, l hope that it is, but feel we should prep with longer periods in mind.
Correct, the chances of April return is nil.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:06 pm I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.
Out of state travel was cancelled for DoD employees. 2 weeks of work from home mandated by a few DoD orgs. Expect many to follow suit, when possible.
We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Rabbit ears much ? Think about it -- there may not be 500k reliable kits to donate, based on China's mass testing startup reliability.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
“May not”old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:34 pmRabbit ears much ? Think about it -- there may not be 500k reliable kits to donate, based on China's mass testing startup reliability.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
If there are, who's hoarding them ? Where's Jack Ma gonna get them that govts can't.
I would think that global demand for reliable test kits by world govts far exceeds demand.
Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pmHey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
Instead of doing a little due diligence, it’s easier to make fun of the Chinese. It all started when I said Chinese society is much older than ours and they may have felt that they didn’t need our help when one of the zombies wondered “why didn’t the Chinese let us help them”...that’s triggered Old Sycophant into VDH mode.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:51 pmApparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pmHey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.
Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.
“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.
South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.
We just need to get the testing under control. Solve that, and this whole thing gets a whole lot easier.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:59 pmGood news.
Meanwhile, GOP Gov of Ohio estimates that Ohio may already have 100,000 people infected in his state.
Need tests.
Good for Jack Ma. I'm sure that global hot spots need them as much or more than the US does.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:51 pmApparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pmHey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.
Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.
“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.
South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.
Due diligence ? From the intolerant troll who mocks my every post with his clown emoji.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:02 pmInstead of doing a little due diligence, it’s easier to make fun of the Chinese. It all started when I said Chinese society is much older than ours and they may have felt that they didn’t need our help when one of the zombies wondered “why didn’t the Chinese let us help them”...that’s triggered Old Sycophant into VDH mode.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:51 pmApparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pmHey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.
Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.
“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.
South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.
Thanks for your questions.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:05 pmGood for Jack Ma. I'm sure that global hot spots need them as much or more than the US does.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:51 pmApparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:39 pmHey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pmWe've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:04 amI was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:47 amYou threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.old salt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:12 amGee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:41 pmGee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pmI didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:53 pmSerious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.old salt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:47 pmAre they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:41 pmThe sycophants will come to the administrations defense.CU77 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 pmhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.
Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.
I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.
Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.
Please provide some basis that this is not the case.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.
I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:45 pmChina supplied the WHO?old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:42 pmFor clowntroll's reading pleasure :Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:26 pmIFold salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:23 pmYes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:07 pmSo not having kits was a good thing?youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:55 pmI'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:32 pm The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage
Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits
Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus
...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898
These orientals can get back to eating penis.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.
Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...
Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.
Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.
“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.
South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.
Are the number of test kits still the limiting factors in the US, or is it lab capacity & techs that can administer & process the tests ?
Are US local & private labs & health care providers compatible & able to use the Jack Ma provided kits ?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:38 pm Worth a little break to listen to Geroge....quite prescient....and funny: