All things CoronaVirus

[Brooklyn]

difficult to believe anyone can defend the idjit-in-chief after revelations like those

[Brooklyn]

Socialism for the rich!

[a fan]

I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.

The problem with this, is that IMHO, this sends the wrong signal.

I'll be shocked if they don't shut down ala Italy this week for the entire nation, for a month to two months.

This is why I keep saying the financial package needs to be massive. I'm worried about cash withdrawals, frankly, given the hoarding that's going on.

If I were Trump?

1. Mortgage holiday for all loans. I'd call in all the bank CEOS to figure out how to make that work. People are about to stop paying bills, and turtle up. Both as a business, and as people.

2. $3,000 per month for every tax filer deposited NOW.

3. Get your best people on figuring out how to handle the homeless. If you don't? That's how the virus will REALLY get out of control.

Read Newt Ginrich's piece on Italy. Not only is the US economy in a world of hurt? The UK and EU are about to go through the same thing. As I said two weeks ago, this is far worse than both 9/11 and the 08 crash. Piddly, stupid financial measures are a complete waste of money. The reason I'd go big isn't just so we can SURVIVE this thing-----I would want our country to come out of this thing with our economy ROARING.

Been saying this for two weeks. Listening to the financial talking heads on MSNBC tells you just how poorly educated those guys are. Makes me wonder how they all got that rich. They've been talking about this as if there is going to be a five second pause, and in the fall, everything will be back to normal.

The ONLY way that we aren't in a critical economic situation, is if the quarantine lasts just a couple of weeks. I feel like the odds of that are really low.

But yes, l hope that it is, but feel we should prep with longer periods in mind.

[DocBarrister]

I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.

The problem with this, is that IMHO, this sends the wrong signal.

I'll be shocked if they don't shut down ala Italy this week for the entire nation, for a month to two months.

This is why I keep saying the financial package needs to be massive. I'm worried about cash withdrawals, frankly, given the hoarding that's going on.

If I were Trump?

1. Mortgage holiday for all loans. I'd call in all the bank CEOS to figure out how to make that work. People are about to stop paying bills, and turtle up. Both as a business, and as people.

2. $3,000 per month for every tax filer deposited NOW.

3. Get your best people on figuring out how to handle the homeless. If you don't? That's how the virus will REALLY get out of control.

Read Newt Ginrich's piece on Italy. Not only is the US economy in a world of hurt? The UK and EU are about to go through the same thing. As I said two weeks ago, this is far worse than both 9/11 and the 08 crash. Piddly, stupid financial measures are a complete waste of money. The reason I'd go big isn't just so we can SURVIVE this thing-----I would want our country to come out of this thing with our economy ROARING.

Been saying this for two weeks. Listening to the financial talking heads on MSNBC tells you just how poorly educated those guys are. Makes me wonder how they all got that rich. They've been talking about this as if there is going to be a five second pause, and in the fall, everything will be back to normal.

The ONLY way that we aren't in a critical economic situation, is if the quarantine lasts just a couple of weeks. I feel like the odds of that are really low.

But yes, l hope that it is, but feel we should prep with longer periods in mind.

You do realize that Steve Mnuchin has no major concerns about the economy?

Mnuchin downplays possibility of recession amid coronavirus outbreak

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Sunday downplayed the likelihood of an economic recession as the economy takes a beating from the coronavirus outbreak.

When asked on ABC's "This Week" if the US was now in an economic recession as some have suggested, Munchin said, "I don't think so."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics ... index.html

Your only hope is Her Holiness, Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

I think the April re-evaluation date is wishful thinking. This thing hasn’t even started to crest yet. These school systems just didn’t want to cancel them outright yet.

Out of state travel was cancelled for DoD employees. 2 weeks of work from home mandated by a few DoD orgs. Expect many to follow suit, when possible.

Correct, the chances of April return is nil.
We have months ahead of lockdown, not weeks...and that's if we're successful bending the curve.

If not successful, this will be immensely calamitous, but a few months shorter in terms of social distancing being critical.

People just haven't been coming to grips with it as yet.
Which is understandable given the messaging they were getting until very recently.

And in some ways still getting.

[DocBarrister]

We are in the midst of a major crisis. And who is supposed to be leading the American effort against that crisis? A conman who has told tens of thousands of lies to the American people and who couldn’t even make money from casinos.

Trump is incapable of mastering any level of detail or accurately conveying it to the public. He either cannot remember, or never understood, what he is supposed to roll out and instead often chooses to make himself look better. His penchant for ad-libbing (as he did with disastrous result during his Oval Office speech Thursday night) causes more chaos and confusion.

Trump has neither the mental capacity nor the emotional tools to lead in a crisis. Increasingly, the best course of action seems to be to let him blather, but then hand off matters to the real adults who can correct his misstatements or take action in the real national interest.

We certainly are not relying on Trump to help us get through this. To the contrary, we will come through this horror only by working around an entirely unfit president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... rrelevant/

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

[old salt]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

Rabbit ears much ? Think about it -- there may not be 500k reliable kits to donate, based on China's mass testing startup reliability.
If there are, who's hoarding them ? Where's Jack Ma gonna get them that govts can't.
I would think that global demand for reliable test kits by world govts far exceeds demand.

[youthathletics]

Worth a little break to listen to Geroge....quite prescient....and funny:

[old salt]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

Rabbit ears much ? Think about it -- there may not be 500k reliable kits to donate, based on China's mass testing startup reliability.
If there are, who's hoarding them ? Where's Jack Ma gonna get them that govts can't.
I would think that global demand for reliable test kits by world govts far exceeds demand.

“May not”

[MDlaxfan76]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.

Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.

Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.

“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.

South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.

[old salt]

The first 3 cases in MD (Montgomery Co), all > 60, have cleared quarantine & are healthy.

[MDlaxfan76]

The first 3 cases in MD (Montgomery Co), all > 60, have cleared quarantine & are healthy.

Good news.

Meanwhile, GOP Gov of Ohio estimates that Ohio may already have 100,000 people infected in his state.
Need tests.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.

Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.

Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.

“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.

South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.

Instead of doing a little due diligence, it’s easier to make fun of the Chinese. It all started when I said Chinese society is much older than ours and they may have felt that they didn’t need our help when one of the zombies wondered “why didn’t the Chinese let us help them”...that’s triggered Old Sycophant into VDH mode.

[a fan]

The first 3 cases in MD (Montgomery Co), all > 60, have cleared quarantine & are healthy.

Good news.

Meanwhile, GOP Gov of Ohio estimates that Ohio may already have 100,000 people infected in his state.
Need tests.

We just need to get the testing under control. Solve that, and this whole thing gets a whole lot easier.

[old salt]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.

Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.

Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.

“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.

South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.

Good for Jack Ma. I'm sure that global hot spots need them as much or more than the US does.
Are the number of test kits still the limiting factors in the US, or is it lab capacity & techs that can administer & process the tests ?
Are US local & private labs & health care providers compatible & able to use the Jack Ma provided kits ?

[old salt]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.

Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.

Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.

“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.

South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.

Instead of doing a little due diligence, it’s easier to make fun of the Chinese. It all started when I said Chinese society is much older than ours and they may have felt that they didn’t need our help when one of the zombies wondered “why didn’t the Chinese let us help them”...that’s triggered Old Sycophant into VDH mode.

Due diligence ? From the intolerant troll who mocks my every post with his clown emoji.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yesterday, the Jack Ma Foundation, a charitable organization established by the founder of the Chinese retail company Alibaba, announced a donation of 500,000 testing kits to the United States.

Acute state failure has reduced the richest nation in world history to a charitable cause.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... is/608026/

The sycophants will come to the administrations defense.

Are they WHO approved test kits ? (failure rate ?)

Serious question/request: could you provide a link that compares the failure rate of the WHO kits versus either those the CDC eventually produced or the ones currently being constructed here in the US.

I can't find so far with google anything that suggests a high failure rate of WHO kits.

I didn't say WHO kits had a high failure rate. I linked a report that early Chinese test kits had a 30-50 % failure rate.
Bits & pieces I've found (Bloomberg & abc) -- different reports describing the unreliability of initial Chinese & Japanese test kits, in addition to the thoroughly reported CDC "techinica glitch " & FDA bureaucratic wrangling which delayed US testing startup.

Ask TLD about the WHO kits. He keeps karping about Trump turning down test kits offered by WHO. with no specifics to back up the accusation.

Gee, it's widely reported that we turned down The Who kits not just at first but also after we realized that the ones we got out the door initially were badly flawed.

Please provide some basis that this is not the case.

Gee. You're asking me to prove a negative. Something I did not say.
You provide us a link to one of your widely reported reports.
One that reports that Trump had something to do with it.

I didn't say we did or did not turn them down.
I did not even bring WHO kits into the discussion.
TLD did, earlier in the discussion, as a red herring distraction & you went for it.
I pointed out the problems in the initial attempts at testing by China, Japan & the US.
Here's where TLD inserted the WHO into the discussion (for some unknown reason) :

The thing with his presser dog and pony show is, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE ACTIONS TWO MONTHS AGO. I don't think the national emergency declaration had to be done then, but it could have been. I am glad he now seems to be moving in the right direction, but it does not make up for ignoring the experts for months, bungling the test kit issue, and the total lack of transparency up until recently and still no where near the needed transparency.

I'd really have to have a timeline, with certainty of facts, to truly buy into your argument. In the grand scheme of things, the US is is in a great spot, and frankly, much of the US virus infiltration came from travelers. All these actions taken today, could not have taken place, because as yo noted earlier, testing required blood and (possible stool) samples, whereas now it is a drive-thru swab. You have to respect the fact that we did not get out over our skis and make matters worse with testing that could have been providing inaccurate results.

So not having kits was a good thing?

Yes, If they were only 50% accurate, like many of China's.

IF

For clowntroll's reading pleasure :

https://www.scmp.com/tech/science-resea ... d-shortage

Race to diagnose coronavirus patients constrained by shortage of reliable detection kits

Chinese authorities issued approvals within two weeks for seven kits that employ the nucleic acid method to test for the presence of the virus

...since the test involves several steps, a mistake at any one stage could affect the outcome, Li Yan, head of the diagnostic centre at the People’s Hospital of Wuhan University, said in an interview with state broadcaster CCTV on Sunday.
The accuracy rate of the test is only 30 to 50 per cent, said Wang Chen, president of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, during a CCTV interview on Wednesday.

China supplied the WHO?


https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-51836898

These orientals can get back to eating penis.

This is like playing who's on first with Abott & Costello.

You threw shade on Jack Ma's offer of donation of 500,000 kits to the US, far more than we have today or will have even weeks from now.

I was talking about the WHO test kits and Old Sycophant brought in Ma and failures as if the two were related. It’s a device he often uses.

We've done less than 25,000 tests as of today, 9 weeks after we had first cases.
Would have done many hundreds of thousands had we accepted the WHO kits.
Still can't the supply in the field.

Ma offers 500,000 tests and Salty questions the offer...

Hey Abbott & Costello -- does Jack Ma have 500k reliable test kits stashed in a warehouse somewhere ?

Apparently the Chinese government ramped up production hugely and now that their transmission rate is largely under control, production exceeds demand. So, Ma is buying them up and sending them free of charge to the most virulent hot spots.

Already arriving in Europe just a few days after that announcement.

Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma says he is donating 500,000 coronavirus testing kits and one million protective face masks to the United States, Reuters reports. The Chinese billionaire already has pledged 2 million protective masks to European countries. A first shipment of test kits, medical supplies and 500,000 masks intended for Italy, which has been hard-hit by the virus, arriving at Liege Airport in Belgium late Friday.

“The pandemic we face today can no longer be resolved by any individual country,” Ma said in a statement posted to Twitter. “We can’t beat this virus unless we eliminate boundaries to resources and share our know-how and hard-earned lessons.” The US has lagged behind other countries testing for the coronavirus.

South Korea similarly ramped up production hugely.

Good for Jack Ma. I'm sure that global hot spots need them as much or more than the US does.
Are the number of test kits still the limiting factors in the US, or is it lab capacity & techs that can administer & process the tests ?
Are US local & private labs & health care providers compatible & able to use the Jack Ma provided kits ?

Thanks for your questions.

No, the US is definitely on path to be the next global hotspot (unless another European country didn't ramp up testing...Italy's mistake).

Yes, test kits have been the limiting factor.

And there's no throughput issue with the WHO kits, others are doing them at a very high rate.
Just need to decide that it's a priority.

Which we didn't until very recently. (It's still not clear that Trump or even Pence gets it).
We're now way, way behind the curve.

It's going to require a massive surge in testing to get a handle on this and it's pretty darn clear that what we were told by Trump just 3 days ago everyone having availability next week is total BS.

[Brooklyn]

Worth a little break to listen to Geroge....quite prescient....and funny:

here's how to avoid germs:







Use orange duct tape - inevitably, miracles will happen.