Orange Duce

[kramerica.inc]

Actually, zero children have been aborted, but you will never stop spewing this nonsense.

What shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.

[seacoaster]

Actually, zero children have been aborted, but you will never stop spewing this nonsense.

Exactly, and even if you are talking about terminating a pregnancy, as such, the myriad circumstances under which people come to that decision are not really subject to this sort of specious characterization.

[seacoaster]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

[MDlaxfan76]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

And you think that's a funny retort? Or remotely accurate?

A terminated pregnancy (abortion), the removal of the unwanted fetus, is not remotely the same as the death of child, not under the law, not in the experience of the parents.

Does it carry emotional weight? Certainly for some.

Having 'lost' multiple wanted pregnancies, I know that my wife and I certainly experienced that as a loss, however we did not experience anything remotely akin to the loss of a child born.

Which does not mean that there's zero ethical or moral issue with removal of living tissue, a fetus, which otherwise would most likely have resulted in a child.

I feel strongly that reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies is a noble, important goal. I'd greatly prefer to see that accomplished through sex education, access to contraceptives, etc, rather than focus on shaming people or restricting their choices.

I also think that if a fetus can be utilized in medical research to accomplish important objectives, there's a positive ethical aspect to such research. Paying for fetuses, however, is repugnant...Paying for proper handling and storage such that research can be performed is another matter.

[MDlaxfan76]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Agreed.

[old salt]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.

[seacoaster]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.

You should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!

I just think that the issues associated with this subject (choice, reproductive rights, pregnancy terminations, and the extent to which government can compel a woman to take her pregnancy to term is an issue that deserves a thread of its own, and not scattered relatively randomly around the SCOTUS thread, the Conservative Ideology or Progressive Ideology threads, or the Orange Duce thread. Having its own thread would hardly "hide [it] elsewhere;" on the contrary, it would provide a specific location for this topic and the often intense debate it gets.

[old salt]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.

You should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!

I just think that the issues associated with this subject (choice, reproductive rights, pregnancy terminations, and the extent to which government can compel a woman to take her pregnancy to term is an issue that deserves a thread of its own, and not scattered relatively randomly around the SCOTUS thread, the Conservative Ideology or Progressive Ideology threads, or the Orange Duce thread. Having its own thread would hardly "hide [it] elsewhere;" on the contrary, it would provide a specific location for this topic and the often intense debate it gets.

As soon as you master attribution when quoting copyrighted content, you'll make a great moderator.

[seacoaster]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.

You should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!

I just think that the issues associated with this subject (choice, reproductive rights, pregnancy terminations, and the extent to which government can compel a woman to take her pregnancy to term is an issue that deserves a thread of its own, and not scattered relatively randomly around the SCOTUS thread, the Conservative Ideology or Progressive Ideology threads, or the Orange Duce thread. Having its own thread would hardly "hide [it] elsewhere;" on the contrary, it would provide a specific location for this topic and the often intense debate it gets.

As soon as you master attribution when quoting copyrighted content, you'll make a great moderator.

I don't want to be a moderator; many of us know how you must long for that behind the scenes authority to, umm, curate the posts of other folks that you had at the old LP. And you misinterpret the copyright laws, and don't attend to the details of conveying the content. But good try.

[njbill]

Actually, zero children have been aborted, but you will never stop spewing this nonsense.

What shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.

Fetuses. They aren’t “children,” as you well know.

Just like women who elect to have abortions are not murderers, which you also know.

[kramerica.inc]

Deadliest days in American history:

1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403

Thanks!

Yesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)

Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.

Wow, staggering numbers.

And in another sad bit of number trivia-

On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.

Talk about a tragedy.

No funerals either...

You don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.

Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.

Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.

IN EVERY THREAD...

[kramerica.inc]

Actually, zero children have been aborted, but you will never stop spewing this nonsense.

What shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.

Fetuses. They aren’t “children,” as you well know.

Just like women who elect to have abortions are not murderers, which you also know.

They are referred to as unborn children in federal law.
I think I prefer that.

And I never called an fetus aborter (terminator?) a murderer.

But interesting that you would make that leap.

[njbill]

Just referencing positions taken by your ilk.

You are a hypocrite. On the one hand, you say people should be able to do what they want with respect to Covid, but on the other hand, you want to dictate to women, many minors, about what they should do with their own bodies.

It’s none of your business. Or would you like me and others to tell you what to do with your body?

[DMac]

You are pretty darn hardcore on your stance on abortions with little room for exception, kram. Mom's health, incest, and rape, the only exceptions. The third one is contradictory to your stance. Why rape? The baby (as you see it) is being killed for the sake of an unwanted pregnancy. No different than the 16 year old cheerleader. I don't think you, or anyone else, should stand in judgement of how one handles an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think it gets a whole lot more personal than that. You will say you don't stand in judgement, but your posts would lead one to believe differently.

[jhu72]

[kramerica.inc]

You are pretty darn hardcore on your stance on abortions with little room for exception, kram. Mom's health, incest, and rape, the only exceptions. The third one is contradictory to your stance. Why rape? The baby (as you see it) is being killed for the sake of an unwanted pregnancy. No different than the 16 year old cheerleader. I don't think you, or anyone else, should stand in judgement of how one handles an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think it gets a whole lot more personal than that. You will say you don't stand in judgement, but your posts would lead one to believe differently.

DMac, please feel free to look up my post history on the SCOTUS thread.

From Sept 22:

The good news is people don't fit into boxes like people always think. I do personally think the "right side" is carrying a baby to term. I am also not going to judge those who have abortions. Murderer? That's between them and their maker. And who knows, perhaps I'm a "murderer" in His eyes for being pro contraception?

The same way you respect my deep held belief, I understand and respect that there are incredible circumstances where rape, incest and health of the mother are legitimate concerns and burdens for the mother. I do think that is more the outlier than the norm for most abortions and used as a straw man for the general discussion. I know I wont be changing their/your minds either.

Perhaps because I'm generally hopeful, I just don't see something transient and defeatable like poverty as a reason for abortion. But that's just me. I'm also pro-social safety-net to help those in poverty that need it.

And yes I do wear a mask, avoid large crowds and encourage my immediate family to do the same. But I don't expect others to wear them.

SO I guess you CAN be anti-abortion, pro-woman, pro-contraception, pro-personal freedom, and pro-mask.

I'm actually willing to allow abortions for rape, incest and mother's health, for the sake of argument and compromise to eliminate all the rest. I'm also for supporting a child until it becomes an adult and providing parents with the resources to make it happen.

NJ and others like to fling poo at me when it comes to abortions with extenuating circumstances and how we refer to the removed fetus itself. But that's all noise to distract from the topic at hand. It's why I don't name call. I just call out the hypocricy of their stances. Which as evidenced here, they really don't like.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[njbill]

You are pretty darn hardcore on your stance on abortions with little room for exception, kram. Mom's health, incest, and rape, the only exceptions. The third one is contradictory to your stance. Why rape? The baby (as you see it) is being killed for the sake of an unwanted pregnancy. No different than the 16 year old cheerleader. I don't think you, or anyone else, should stand in judgement of how one handles an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think it gets a whole lot more personal than that. You will say you don't stand in judgement, but your posts would lead one to believe differently.

DMac, please feel free to look up my post history on the SCOTUS thread.

From Sept 22:

The good news is people don't fit into boxes like people always think. I do personally think the "right side" is carrying a baby to term. I am also not going to judge those who have abortions. Murderer? That's between them and their maker. And who knows, perhaps I'm a "murderer" in His eyes for being pro contraception?

The same way you respect my deep held belief, I understand and respect that there are incredible circumstances where rape, incest and health of the mother are legitimate concerns and burdens for the mother. I do think that is more the outlier than the norm for most abortions and used as a straw man for the general discussion. I know I wont be changing their/your minds either.

Perhaps because I'm generally hopeful, I just don't see something transient and defeatable like poverty as a reason for abortion. But that's just me. I'm also pro-social safety-net to help those in poverty that need it.

And yes I do wear a mask, avoid large crowds and encourage my immediate family to do the same. But I don't expect others to wear them.

SO I guess you CAN be anti-abortion, pro-woman, pro-contraception, pro-personal freedom, and pro-mask.

I'm actually willing to allow abortions for rape, incest and mother's health, for the sake of argument and compromise to eliminate all the rest. I'm also for supporting a child until it becomes an adult and providing parents with the resources to make it happen.

NJ and others like to fling poo at me when it comes to abortions with extenuating circumstances and how we refer to the removed fetus itself. But that's all noise to distract from the topic at hand. It's why I don't name call. I just call out the hypocricy of their stances. Which as evidenced here, they really don't like.

Fling poo at you?

No, I castigate you for the outlandish things you say, for advocating a position that is contrary to the law, anti-American because it is authoritarian, anti-freedom of choice, anti-individual rights, and anti-human rights. Not to mention being a distinctly minority (and anachronistic) view in this country.

Besides that, you are the consummate buttinski, trying to tell other people what they should do with their own bodies.

I have no problem if you get a woman pregnant and you and she decide to have the baby. That is your decision to make. Not mine. Not anyone else’s.

Where I draw the line with you, as you well know, is that you push your anti-abortion views on others, condemning women who have abortions unless you have approved the reasons. (You are “willing to allow”? Good God man. Who the hell do you think you are?)

For goodness sake’s, these women are strangers to you. What right on God’s green earth do you have to tell them what they should do with their bodies, how they should live their lives?

Read your quote above about murder, which I have bolded. No, it’s not between the woman and her maker as to whether an abortion is murder. IT IS NOT MURDER IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! It is outrageous to call or even suggest that abortion is murder when that hasn’t been the law anywhere in this country for generations.

I’m not going to respond each and every time you make irresponsible comments about abortion, but I will now and then. Count on it.

[jhu72]

Biden and Harris named Time's Person(s) of the Year for 2020. Orange Duce losses again.

... anyone care to bet that Trump will not tweet about it tomorrow??? Maybe he'll claim he really won that honor as well. Time is "fake news".

[CU77]

Oh, Trump has been ready for that for years:

A Time magazine with Trump on the cover hangs in his golf clubs. It’s fake.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html