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How Jenna Ellis Rose From Traffic Court to Trump’s Legal Team
The 36-year-old’s career includes six months as a local prosecutor and a book interpreting the Constitution through a biblical lens
Ms. Ellis began building her national profile through conservative Christian legal circles, carving a niche as a self-identified constitutional-law specialist. In 2015, she self-published a book, through WestBow Press, “The Legal Basis for a Moral Constitution: A Guide for Christians to Understand America’s Constitutional Crisis.”

In the book and in subsequent public talks, she has argued that the Constitution can only be interpreted through a biblical lens. She takes aim at the Supreme Court’s 2015 ruling that same-sex couples nationwide have a constitutional right to marry, saying in her book that the decision could help legitimize polygamy and even pedophilia. The “homosexual slogan ‘love is love’ will become the mantra of the pedophile,” she wrote.

Ms. Ellis wasn’t initially a Trump supporter, but after the 2016 election she began writing in support of Mr. Trump and boosted her national profile by contributing regular blog posts to the conservative Washington Examiner, which has identified her as a “professor of constitutional law.” In 2018, she joined the Trump campaign’s 2020 advisory board.

About a year later, the president began noticing her appearances on Fox News, according to a person familiar with the matter, and praised her to aides as a talented and aggressive defender.

Ms. Ellis said that in the fall of 2019, she got a phone call from a Washington, D.C., area code, which she let go to voice mail, assuming it was spam. It was the White House. She subsequently spoke to Mr. Trump for an hour. “He invited me to the White House and said, ‘I think you’re a brilliant lawyer and I want to meet with you,’” she said.

Mr. Trump then told his campaign to hire her, the person said.
So DOPUS brings in another unqualified, self-serving, liar....of course he found her on Fox...all in the name of God. :roll:
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Trump is currently threatening to veto the NDAA -- funding for the military -- because Twitter flagged some of his lies about the election as being possibly not true. This is OK, right?

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No, it's not okay, but for that matter nothing about Trump's current behavior (and much of his past) is okay. The King will protect his throne regardless of cost as nothing in this world is more important to King Donald than his throne. This man needs to be removed from office in a straight jacket immediately, the damage he's doing is immense and the people around him need to have the balls to take him to the ground, put the straight jacket on him, and get him to the nearest psych ward.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:19 am Trump is currently threatening to veto the NDAA -- funding for the military -- because Twitter flagged some of his lies about the election as being possibly not true. This is OK, right?

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Not to worry. He'll blink. House and Senate both reportedly have veto-proof margins on a vote. They know really where the bread is buttered on this one and they also know he's leaving shortly so they can play a bit of tepid hardball (especially the R Senators) -Then again, maybe he is worried the part of the act banning anonymous shell companies in the U.S. which would be the biggest anti-money laundering move the country has taken in nearly 20 years—and potentially ever. :oops:

Expect a stimulus deal as well and a funding bill also (or, at least, a short term extension).
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DMac wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:36 am No, it's not okay, but for that matter nothing about Trump's current behavior (and much of his past) is okay. The King will protect his throne regardless of cost as nothing in this world is more important to King Donald than his throne. This man needs to be removed from office in a straight jacket immediately, the damage he's doing is immense and the people around him need to have the balls to take him to the ground, put the straight jacket on him, and get him to the nearest psych ward.
Your lips to God's ears. But we are dealing with the League of Frightened Men here.

Kismet is right; the vote will happen and he will likely back down. I would prefer it if he vetoed the NDAA, to force the Senate and House GOP to override his sorry fat ass.
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Today's The Daily discusses this as well and it's pretty good. Discusses previous pardons and why Trump's are unique. With no surprise but still interesting, Trump's pardons are all about him. (Enter Narcissistic Personality Disorder...)
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Trump mulls preemptive pardons for up to 20 allies, even as Republicans balk.

The clemency would be unprecedented, and some Republicans are expressing initial hesitation. But they're not telling Trump to stop. politi.co/39Tgt4T
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Primer:

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-p ... st-popular

"As President Trump enters the endgame of his time in power, he is said to have consulted advisers about the possibility of granting pre-emptive pardons to his relatives and to allies like his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani.

Mr. Trump has also claimed that he has “the absolute right to pardon myself,” raising the possibility that he may try to impose roadblocks against any future federal prosecution of himself. And a federal judge this week unsealed heavily redacted documents revealing that the F.B.I. has been investigating an unidentified person for a potential pardon-for-bribe scheme.

The rising chatter about pardon issues follows closely on the heels of Mr. Trump’s pardon last week of his former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn and has heightened interest in the scope and limits of his clemency power. Here is what you need to know.

What is a pardon?

It is an executive power that acts as a check and balance on the federal criminal justice system, enabling a president to bestow mercy upon offenders.

The Constitution gives the president clemency powers “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” This could be either a commutation, which reduces or eliminates a sentence imposed after a conviction for a crime, or a pardon — a broader nullification of all legal consequences for an offense.

May a president issue prospective pardons before any charges or conviction?

Yes. In Ex parte Garland, an 1866 case involving a former Confederate senator who had been pardoned by President Andrew Johnson, the Supreme Court said the pardon power “extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.”

It is unusual for a president to issue a prospective pardon before any charges are filed, but there are examples, perhaps most famously President Gerald R. Ford’s pardon in 1974 of Richard M. Nixon to prevent him from being prosecuted after the Watergate scandal. And in 1977, on his first day in office, President Jimmy Carter pardoned hundreds of thousands of men who had dodged the draft during the Vietnam War, enabling many who had fled to Canada to return home without fear of prosecution.

Does a pardon eliminate all risk?
No. For one thing, Mr. Trump only has clemency power over federal offenses. Some types of offense — like tax evasion and financial fraud — are offenses under both federal and state law. Mr. Trump does not have the authority to prevent state prosecutors from pursuing charges over such a matter. State prosecutors in New York are investigating various matters related to Mr. Trump’s financial dealings.

Moreover, a pardon could increase one type of risk: When a pardon eliminates the possibility that the recipient might be prosecuted for a purely federal crime, it also eliminates the ability of that person to invoke the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in order to avoid testifying about it. Thus, pardon recipients subpoenaed before Congress or a grand jury would be compelled to talk; if they lied or refused to testify, that would be a new crime.

May a president pardon his relatives and close allies?

Yes. The Constitution does not bar pardons that raise the appearance of self-interest or a conflict of interest, even if they may provoke a political backlash and public shaming.

Shortly before leaving office in 1993, President George Bush pardoned six Reagan administration officials over “their conduct related to the Iran-contra affair,” including Caspar W. Weinberger, the former defense secretary who was about to go to trial on charges that he had lied to Congress. The independent prosecutor, Lawrence E. Walsh, had been planning in the trial to explore whether Bush had played a greater role than he had acknowledged when he was the vice president, and Mr. Walsh accused Bush of a “cover-up.”

In 2001, shortly before leaving office, President Bill Clinton issued several controversial pardons, including to his half brother, Roger Clinton, over a 1985 cocaine conviction for which he had served about a year in prison, and to Susan H. McDougal, a onetime Clinton business partner who had been jailed as part of the Whitewater investigation.

May a president issue a general pardon?

This is unclear. Usually, pardons are written in a way that specifically describes which crimes or sets of activities they apply to. There is little precedent laying out the degree to which a pardon can be used to instead foreclose criminal liability for anything and everything.

Notably, Ford’s “full, free and absolute pardon” of Nixon was extraordinarily broad. It covered all federal crimes Nixon “committed or may have committed” during his presidency, rather than listing particular matters or categories of activities. But because prosecutors did not try to charge Nixon, the validity of this rare, open-ended clemency was untested.

In a law journal article this year, Aaron Rappaport, a law professor at the University of California, Hastings, argued that pardons must be specific about what they are covering. He cited English common-law principles that informed the founders’ understanding of pardons, as well as fundamental democratic values. Still, he also acknowledged that “the existence of a specificity requirement has never been acknowledged by the Supreme Court.”

This is unclear. There is no definitive answer because no president has ever tried to pardon himself and then faced prosecution anyway. As a result, there has never been a case that gave the Supreme Court a chance to resolve the question. In the absence of any controlling precedent, legal thinkers are divided about the matter.

Those who think a president can pardon himself point out that the relevant text in the Constitution is broadly written and contains no explicit exception precluding a self-dealing use or abuse of that power. Because the founders did make an explicit exception for cases of impeachment, they argued, that implies they did not intend there to be any other exceptions.

But other legal thinkers have come up with theories for why the Supreme Court might nevertheless reject a purported self-pardon if it ever came up. For example, some scholars have argued that the founders’ use of the word “grant” should be interpreted as meaning one person giving something to another, so a president cannot grant a pardon to himself.

In August 1974, four days before Nixon resigned, Mary C. Lawton, then the acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, issued a terse legal opinion stating that “it would seem” that he could not pardon himself “under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.” But she did not explain what transformed that principle into an unwritten legal limit on the power the Constitution bestows on presidents.

Is there a way Trump might try to engineer a more clearly legal pardon for himself?

Yes. He could get Vice President Mike Pence to do it for him, using the 25th Amendment.

This part of the Constitution provides a mechanism for temporarily making the vice president the “acting president” when a president is disabled from carrying out his duties. In 2002 and 2007, for example, when President George W. Bush was preparing to be sedated for colonoscopies, he briefly handed the powers of the presidency to Vice President Dick Cheney.

In her 1974 memo, Ms. Lawton argued that it would be lawful for a president to declare himself temporarily disabled, receive a pardon from the vice president and then resume his role as president.

Would a corruption-tainted pardon count?

Probably. The Constitution does not create any explicit exception that invalidates pardons that were granted under dubious circumstances — like if a president took money in exchange, or was buying the silence of a witness to his own wrongdoing. Grants of clemency are widely understood to be irrevocable.

Still, a president who grants a pardon under corrupt circumstances could open himself up to prosecution for acts like bribery or obstruction of justice after he leaves office. Even Attorney General William P. Barr, who embraces a maximalist ideology of executive power, testified during his confirmation hearing that if a president pardoned someone in exchange for a promise not to incriminate him, “that would be a crime.”
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The RNC paid more than $300,000 in October to a company owned by Donald Trump Jr. to purchase copies of his new, self-published book.

The payment was the largest single—out of more than 700—that the committee has ever reported for donor mementos or gifts. https://t.co/XlKmdhKFZ7
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Matnum PI wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:46 pm The RNC paid more than $300,000 in October to a company owned by Donald Trump Jr. to purchase copies of his new, self-published book.

The payment was the largest single—out of more than 700—that the committee has ever reported for donor mementos or gifts. https://t.co/XlKmdhKFZ7
You hinting that you would like an autographed copy? ;)
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From its Federal Election Commission report yesterday, the Trump campaign's efforts to overturn the results of the election have cost his campaign about $8.8 million so far, including about $2.3 million on lawyers.

But they've helped him raise $207,000,000.

So it's a coup attempt, with a fallback of successful grift by America's favorite crime family.
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If he wants to pardon himself and family doesn’t he have to name the charge for which he would like to be pardoned for or can he just choose the general umbrella pardon?
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ardilla secreta wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:54 am If he wants to pardon himself and family doesn’t he have to name the charge for which he would like to be pardoned for or can he just choose the general umbrella pardon?
Don't know about that. He could prospectively pardon the kids and Rudy, using language in the pardon itself to sweep in crimes that may have been committed or investigated. There is a little debate raging about whether Duce can pardon himself, the better reasoned of the debaters saying he cannot, that he'd need to get Pence to do it, either by resigning or by a 25th Amendment ruse.
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Jimmy Kimmel Live
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We cut all of the misinformation out of Trump’s 46 minute election fraud speech and this is what was left…


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334878694351884289




This is what the Idiot-In-Chief should say.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-sena ... 58964.html

Trump is nothing if not relentless in his pursuit of not appearing to be the "LOSER" that this election will definitvely prove him to have been. Looks like it is going to take until the electoral votes are actually cast December 14 until enough republicans will summon the moral courage to acknowledge the end Trump's travesty of a presidency. Until then we can count on dealing with his obsessive inability to ever admit to his losing to "Sleepy Joe". After that, who cares?
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This is Aaron Rupar's thread of clips of Trump in Georgia last night, supposedly pedaling for Loeffler and Perdue. He peddles every grievance, every whiny "feel sorry for me" clip, and every lie and fabrication about the election. He is genuinely working directly against the Constitution and laws he promised...but everyone knows that.

Even tough states have certified, and the vote count shows him behind by over 7,000,000 votes, GOP members of the House and Senate cannot summon enough courage and respect for American democracy to shout this moronic ogre down:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1335396015277568000

Republicans don't like democracy.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:19 am Trump is currently threatening to veto the NDAA -- funding for the military -- because Twitter flagged some of his lies about the election as being possibly not true. This is OK, right?

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I thought liberals hated war and the killing machine industry. You should be happy about this, no?

and NO, you are lying, yet again. tRump lied about a veto (yawn) because of Section 230, as reported by this place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... -230-ndaa/

seacoaster, your posts are not credible, if only that they are useless twats from twitter. But, alas, why lie about this stuff? tRump is garbage without telling lies.

https://leaderpost.com/news/world/never ... adb49afc10
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Dec 05, 2020 11:01 am Jimmy Kimmel Live
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We cut all of the misinformation out of Trump’s 46 minute election fraud speech and this is what was left…


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1334878694351884289




This is what the Idiot-In-Chief should say.
woman on trampolines........you actually think Kimmel isn't tRump like with THAT history? Such a garbage person, Kimmel is.
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ABV 8.3% wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:23 am Such a garbage person, Kimmel is.


killing 280,000+ with a disease he helped spread makes your hero tRUMP more of a treasonous piece of garbage than anyone else
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Brooklyn wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:02 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:23 am Such a garbage person, Kimmel is.


killing 280,000+ with a disease he helped spread makes your hero tRUMP more of a treasonous piece of garbage than anyone else
What medical school did tRump attend?

meanwhile, in this springs 60 minute interview, a real Doctor said what about facemaks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e ... e=youtu.be

yeah, Trump is the problem, singularly .
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