MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:55 am
ABV, the essence of bias is to twist a piece of truth into a claim hurtful to the target.
Yup, the site is down for a bit. But that wasn't the claim being made by the article, for which they offer not a shred of basis.
The issue on the credibility of the source is whether they actually practice journalistic ethics, and this one doesn't.
Which is not to say that there isn't benefit of reporters scrambling around looking for a scoop...even the most unethical can sometimes find a pony in all that poop. Not often, but yes sometimes they do!
You are NOT making sense. I apologize in advance if it wasn't you who had never heard of the decades old Free Bacon, but, suddenly you post something you found on the internet as the final judge and jury? Without knowing who runs whatever source you got the quote from. (media bias???) Does your source provide examples of the claim that they lie? If not, why do you value it? Just because they said so? Again, consider who is paying the bills?
Who says the Bacon doesn't practice journalistic ethics? Do you even know what they are?
Regardless, you make NO such claims about bias of other media outlets. Don't read your comments of MSM ignoring actual news stories, like a US Marine getting beating up, wallet stolen at a McDonalds next to the fbi HQ. Or the more recent one of a white guy getting beaten up by a group of black "kids" Journalistic ethics doesn't apply to the washPost, who sat on these stories, HAS ignored these type of stories for decades.
Where did you get the idea that Free Bacon does what you think it does regarding ethics? You make some bold claims with NO citations. Guess you don't like your own views because you don't practice journalistic ethics.
Nothing wrong with being biased, slanted And reading all perspectives, don't you think.
There are a number of such sites that look at media bias and accuracy. They all rate the Free Beacon pretty much the same.
I get it that you think the MSM editorially eliminates covering stories that you think are worth reporting on because they are conservative in nature. I don't think that's rampant, as they certainly do report on major stories that don't make liberal points of view or people look good. But, sure, all journalism makes decisions about what is actually newsworthy and what is not, whether that's placement on the front page above the folks or on page 16 or not at all.
The issue of journalistic ethics is whether a paper or site makes claims it knows is false, or upon learning are false they correct the prior reporting. When that's not a priority for a paper or site, it's not merely slanted editorially, it's actually not trustworthy. Of course all news reporting should be viewed with some degree of skepticism, but you are certainly better off absorbing information from a collection of sources who actually value their credibility over a particular right or left point of view.
There are a number of such sites that look at media bias and accuracy. They all rate the Free Beacon pretty much the same. But, you just don't have the time to provide sources to back up this claim ????????
I get it that you think the MSM editorially eliminates covering stories that you think are worth reporting on because they are conservative in nature. Young men and women beating , kicking and robbing a knocked out fellow human being is CONservative? What the heck is wrong with people? I don't think that's rampant, as they certainly do report on major stories that don't make liberal points of view or people look good. But, sure, all
journalism makes decisions about what is actually newsworthy and what is not, whether that's placement on the front page above the folks or on page 16 or not at all.
The issue of journalistic ethics is whether a paper or site makes claims it knows is false, or upon learning are false they correct the prior reporting. When that's not a priority for a paper or site, it's not merely slanted editorially, it's actually not trustworthy. But editorialzing to suppress certain stories IS trustworthy? Folks like TLD admitted that they never heard of the this story. Why? Keep tourists coming to DC? Of course all news reporting should be viewed with some degree of skepticism, but you are certainly better off absorbing information from a collection of sources who actually value their credibility over a particular right or left point of view.
Just tried an internet search for : "... black kids beat up white man in DC..." and get nothing (on google) specifically related to this event. Hmm, why IS that?
This is a good read. Not much respect for your source (mediabias ) from pretty much the gold standard of respect in the J world
https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/p ... heck/2115/
None of this unsubstantiated juvenile gossip from this fake “fact check” site would matter if some people weren’t falling for it. But due to the current paranoia regarding “fake news” and such, scam artists like Van Zandt have managed to get a free pass from some members of the public who fall for his worthless “ratings” of respected news outlets; they don’t think to stop and to scrutinize the random shadowy figure who’s making up the ratings out of thin air. And so they end up embarrassing themselves by posting a “Media Bias Fact Check” link in response to a legitimate news article on social media, only to then have it pointed out to other commenters that they’ve unwittingly linked to a scam site.
If you (collective ) don't triple check your sources, and STILL don't read it with a healthy dousing of skeptic salad dressing, it's a tad bit lazy and frankly, agenda driven. If you read sources that only affirm opinions.....well.....there you go.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:04 am
by foreverlax
Andersen wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:11 am
Which town were you near/in? I still have dreams about my Aunt's Huckleberry Pie.
Lots of Andersens in Montana.
+1
My first exposure to Montana huckleberry pie was life changing....we ate everything huckleberry for 10 days. There is nothing like huckleberry season!!
There are a number of such sites that look at media bias and accuracy. They all rate the Free Beacon pretty much the same. But, you just don't have the time to provide sources to back up this claim ????????
I get it that you think the MSM editorially eliminates covering stories that you think are worth reporting on because they are conservative in nature. Young men and women beating , kicking and robbing a knocked out fellow human being is CONservative? What the heck is wrong with people? I don't think that's rampant, as they certainly do report on major stories that don't make liberal points of view or people look good. But, sure, all
journalism makes decisions about what is actually newsworthy and what is not, whether that's placement on the front page above the folks or on page 16 or not at all.
The issue of journalistic ethics is whether a paper or site makes claims it knows is false, or upon learning are false they correct the prior reporting. When that's not a priority for a paper or site, it's not merely slanted editorially, it's actually not trustworthy. But editorialzing to suppress certain stories IS trustworthy? Folks like TLD admitted that they never heard of the this story. Why? Keep tourists coming to DC? Of course all news reporting should be viewed with some degree of skepticism, but you are certainly better off absorbing information from a collection of sources who actually value their credibility over a particular right or left point of view.
Just tried an internet search for : "... black kids beat up white man in DC..." and get nothing (on google) specifically related to this event. Hmm, why IS that?
This is a good read. Not much respect for your source (mediabias ) from pretty much the gold standard of respect in the J world
https://www.palmerreport.com/politics/p ... heck/2115/
None of this unsubstantiated juvenile gossip from this fake “fact check” site would matter if some people weren’t falling for it. But due to the current paranoia regarding “fake news” and such, scam artists like Van Zandt have managed to get a free pass from some members of the public who fall for his worthless “ratings” of respected news outlets; they don’t think to stop and to scrutinize the random shadowy figure who’s making up the ratings out of thin air. And so they end up embarrassing themselves by posting a “Media Bias Fact Check” link in response to a legitimate news article on social media, only to then have it pointed out to other commenters that they’ve unwittingly linked to a scam site.
If you (collective ) don't triple check your sources, and STILL don't read it with a healthy dousing of skeptic salad dressing, it's a tad bit lazy and frankly, agenda driven. If you read sources that only affirm opinions.....well.....there you go.
Hopefully they spend a good chunk of time in jail.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:50 pm
by runrussellrun
zero comments, on 2nd arrest. Why is that? (it's buried?? )
Keep on ignoring the black on white crime in DC. It's like bigfoot. Polar bear knockout isn't real.
This has been going on for decades in DC. Just like TLDS buddies, the black racist, homophobic israelites, are funny, to be ignored.
So, the story gets coverage, but it's not at the scale of coverage you want?
Here's some cheese to go with all that wine.
No one on here thinks that violence should be excused because it's one race or another, nor have I heard any such in the MSM. The only place I hear any of that is on right wing media claiming it be the belief of the MSM, which far as I can tell is just BS.
It was a disgusting act that deserves strong punishment.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:43 pm
by youthathletics
You are missing the point entirely md.
The point is that guns kill people every day, and if the those advocating for stronger gun control kept the heat on daily, as in chicago, baltimore, etc, maybe...just maybe it would be so main stream that it becomes more of a talking point than Trump is an idiot.
What if AOC, instead of peddling a green deal, that is so far fetched you need to be on acid to fathom it, she made gun violence her number one trigger. Why is this ONLY an issue of major discussion in the news when it is classified as more than a handful at time?
Keep it relevant if it matters...and by what they are currently and historically doing in the media and on the floor...it does not matter.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:49 pm
by old salt
I bet Uncle Joe's donors were reassured. ..
(this is not from The Onion).
Former Vice President Joe Biden misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego on Sunday night.
Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:58 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:49 pm
I bet Uncle Joe's donors were reassured. ..
(this is not from The Onion).
Former Vice President Joe Biden misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego on Sunday night.
Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.
Painfully, I think he's going to make many more gaffes before this is all over.
Of course, Trump called Dayton Toledo today despite reading the speech off the teleprompter.
I thought it was decently written, as far as it went.
Woodenly delivered, but at least it called out the "white supremacy" and "domestic terrorism" and Trump didn't go off script too much, though he started to add lib a bit when he looked a little lost in his reading...but no major riffs.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:11 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:43 pm
You are missing the point entirely md.
The point is that guns kill people every day, and if the those advocating for stronger gun control kept the heat on daily, as in chicago, baltimore, etc, maybe...just maybe it would be so main stream that it becomes more of a talking point than Trump is an idiot.
What if AOC, instead of peddling a green deal, that is so far fetched you need to be on acid to fathom it, she made gun violence her number one trigger. Why is this ONLY an issue of major discussion in the news when it is classified as more than a handful at time?
Keep it relevant if it matters...and by what they are currently and historically doing in the media and on the floor...it does not matter.
youth, I live here in the Baltimore region and I can assure you that the gun violence is extensively covered.
I think conflating mass murder usage of assault weapons with the drug related violence is mixing apples and oranges.
I'm not for confiscating all weapons, I'm a hunter and I also think that some usage of guns for self protection makes sense.
But there's a lot of common sense gun control that could certainly put a crimp in the number of guns and their easy accessibility to those who wish to use them for bad purposes, without being an issue for the kinds of use I would want to protect.
But gun control is not the primary solution for either mass murder based on ideology, nor is it the primary solution for drug related violence. Gun control would help, but not be sufficient for either problem.
So, I say walk and chew gum.
Focus on the spreading of hateful ideologies. Decriminalize the drugs and remove the profit move for turf wars.
And reduce access to weapons. No reason for assault weapons and high capacity magazines other than on a regulated shooting range. No reason for the gun show loopholes allowing people to avoid comprehensive background checks. Make it illegal to not store your guns safely, make it a matter of gross negligence not to do so making the owner liable for the usage of their gun in a crime or suicide, especially if not stored securely. Make the gun manufacturers liable for the usage of the weapons to commit crimes if they do not have fingerprint ID (give a little time for implementation, but get there).
It's not as if we can't address it.
But we seem unwilling to buck the NRA...
Former Vice President Joe Biden misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego on Sunday night.
Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.
Painfully, I think he's going to make many more gaffes before this is all over.
Of course, Trump called Dayton Toledo today despite reading the speech off the teleprompter.
I thought it was decently written, as far as it went.
Woodenly delivered, but at least it called out the "white supremacy" and "domestic terrorism" and Trump didn't go off script too much, though he started to add lib a bit when he looked a little lost in his reading...but no major riffs.
Great. Biden's only a little more confused than Trump.
Former Vice President Joe Biden misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego on Sunday night.
Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.
Painfully, I think he's going to make many more gaffes before this is all over.
Of course, Trump called Dayton Toledo today despite reading the speech off the teleprompter.
I thought it was decently written, as far as it went.
Woodenly delivered, but at least it called out the "white supremacy" and "domestic terrorism" and Trump didn't go off script too much, though he started to add lib a bit when he looked a little lost in his reading...but no major riffs.
Great. Biden's only a little more confused than Trump.
Yup, but seems to me that Biden's always been a gaffe machine, so while senility may well have a grip on him, he's entirely consistent in that sense.
He's not my choice for 2020, nor did I ever think much of him. That said, a piece of wood will get my vote over Trump.
By contrast, Trump appears to me to have actually regressed badly over the years; he seemed to be much better able to think clearly on his feet back in the day. No surprise, there. But senility is not the issue with Trump. He, too, remains in character. And that 'character' has always been deformed.
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:58 pm
by Andersen
Andersen wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:11 am
Which town were you near/in? I still have dreams about my Aunt's Huckleberry Pie.
Lots of Andersens in Montana.
foreverlax wrote:
+1
My first exposure to Montana huckleberry pie was life changing....we ate everything huckleberry for 10 days. There is nothing like huckleberry season!!
Let's not oversell it, we need to manage expectations.
Also, the steaks are as good as they get in my opinion, especially if you find a place like Borrie's or Stacy's that's been around for decades.
Need to start off with a "Ditch" of course.
We need a Travel Thread on here. Where can I put it?
So, the story gets coverage, but it's not at the scale of coverage you want?
Here's some cheese to go with all that wine.
No one on here thinks that violence should be excused because it's one race or another, nor have I heard any such in the MSM. The only place I hear any of that is on right wing media claiming it be the belief of the MSM, which far as I can tell is just BS.
It was a disgusting act that deserves strong punishment.
me, me me, it's all about me and what I think it's important. don't recall myself getting all upset because you value one topic over another.
Youre No gentleman, but no doorknob either.
Yet, you endorse division on racial grounds when the Post goes full 24/7, above the fold coverage about a smirkinig high school child when a grown man is assaulting him with an instrument whose decibles, that close to the ear drum, may do permanent damage. White kid, brown adult. Brown kids, white adult. You reveal much about yourself with your long winded comments. lacking the very quality the residents of the baltimore area call it. Interesting that it rhymes harm
So, the story gets coverage, but it's not at the scale of coverage you want?
Here's some cheese to go with all that wine.
No one on here thinks that violence should be excused because it's one race or another, nor have I heard any such in the MSM. The only place I hear any of that is on right wing media claiming it be the belief of the MSM, which far as I can tell is just BS.
It was a disgusting act that deserves strong punishment.
me, me me, it's all about me and what I think it's important. don't recall myself getting all upset because you value one topic over another.
Youre No gentleman, but no doorknob either.
Yet, you endorse division on racial grounds when the Post goes full 24/7, above the fold coverage about a smirkinig high school child when a grown man is assaulting him with an instrument whose decibles, that close to the ear drum, may do permanent damage. White kid, brown adult. Brown kids, white adult. You reveal much about yourself with your long winded comments. lacking the very quality the residents of the baltimore area call it. Interesting that it rhymes harm
Kid with the MAGA hat and smirk could have walked away if his ears were being assaulted by that deadly weapon. Simon Bar Sinister whip that up?
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:34 pm
I’m suggesting there’s not nearly enough analysis on the true costs and is the scale could have a detrimental effect. It’s all theory but to put it in play the onus is on the ones proposing change, especially rational change, to make the case, not the other way around. Persuade skeptics, opponents or others, don’t just point and cry at the other side because they’re being whatever they are being (lots of sh**ty things I’ll concede/agree).
You're not making sense.
You're asking that we come up with a system that doesn't exist, and forecast that it will work well using no data.
The reason policy wonks suggest we model our new system on Canada's or Finland's, or simply to expand Medicare is that we have decades of data from each system, so that we can make an educated guess as to how it might function if we tried it in the US.
What you are arguing is ---bollocks to that "because" that data is imperfect and may not apply to the much larger country that is America. "Therefore", we should instead make up a brand new system.
That's silly.
I don’t want to fight or get into this argument but I completely disagree and silly is a “dumb” response.
Using a nonsense model, living a mark to model world is dishonest and illegitimate completely. Go read some talib and come back. It makes more sense and is more honest to put ones neck on the line with a thesis and see what happens because applying in inaccurate if elegant model to our country is what leaders and politicians are supposed to be doing. What model did we use when we took down England and gained independence? Life is dynamic and living as if organizational structures can be transferred within very different dynamic models is silly.
Don’t believe me, ask your smart stem friends who aren’t biased towards an issue and true researchers
So, the story gets coverage, but it's not at the scale of coverage you want?
Here's some cheese to go with all that wine.
No one on here thinks that violence should be excused because it's one race or another, nor have I heard any such in the MSM. The only place I hear any of that is on right wing media claiming it be the belief of the MSM, which far as I can tell is just BS.
It was a disgusting act that deserves strong punishment.
me, me me, it's all about me and what I think it's important. don't recall myself getting all upset because you value one topic over another.
Youre No gentleman, but no doorknob either.
Yet, you endorse division on racial grounds when the Post goes full 24/7, above the fold coverage about a smirkinig high school child when a grown man is assaulting him with an instrument whose decibles, that close to the ear drum, may do permanent damage. White kid, brown adult. Brown kids, white adult. You reveal much about yourself with your long winded comments. lacking the very quality the residents of the baltimore area call it. Interesting that it rhymes harm
Sounds like you prefer some real stinky cheese with that whine.
And your comeback is that I "endorse division on racial grounds" because a kid acted like a jerk and so did an adult?
Where do you even get this stuff?
I may well be longwinded, guilty as charged, but at least my posts make sense, don't ramble all over the place incoherently, chock full of non sequiturs.
But you do track correctly that Baltimore has charm, for those who wish to appreciate it.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:34 pm
I’m suggesting there’s not nearly enough analysis on the true costs and is the scale could have a detrimental effect. It’s all theory but to put it in play the onus is on the ones proposing change, especially rational change, to make the case, not the other way around. Persuade skeptics, opponents or others, don’t just point and cry at the other side because they’re being whatever they are being (lots of sh**ty things I’ll concede/agree).
You're not making sense.
You're asking that we come up with a system that doesn't exist, and forecast that it will work well using no data.
The reason policy wonks suggest we model our new system on Canada's or Finland's, or simply to expand Medicare is that we have decades of data from each system, so that we can make an educated guess as to how it might function if we tried it in the US.
What you are arguing is ---bollocks to that "because" that data is imperfect and may not apply to the much larger country that is America. "Therefore", we should instead make up a brand new system.
That's silly.
I don’t want to fight or get into this argument but I completely disagree and silly is a “dumb” response.
Using a nonsense model, living a mark to model world is dishonest and illegitimate completely. Go read some talib and come back. It makes more sense and is more honest to put ones neck on the line with a thesis and see what happens because applying in inaccurate if elegant model to our country is what leaders and politicians are supposed to be doing. What model did we use when we took down England and gained independence? Life is dynamic and living as if organizational structures can be transferred within very different dynamic models is silly.
Don’t believe me, ask your smart stem friends who aren’t biased towards an issue and true researchers
I've been trying to follow your discussion and confess that I'm struggling.
Geneva, what do you propose if not to look at the various models and data that exist and hypothesize how these experiences may be applied or adjusted for whatever factors may be different here in the US?
Is there really some more rational way to think about this?
If so, what specifically would that be and what's the result of that?
Do you have a proposal better than the status quo, which surely is not satisfactory, right?
Re: 2020 Elections - A Reckoning
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:14 pm
by Farfromgeneva
I’d like change but I would like to see independent analysis, unbiased projections, an honest discussion of the costs and benefits based on rigorous analysis and then try something different. It’s one thing to take examples in to build ones own model but to just say stupidly, “hey it seems to be working here or there in countries set up way differently 16 ways from Sunday so let’s just copy that and overlay here” is lazy, not analytical even if Zeke Emannual has his model, fraudulent and dumb. Let’s take ownership of this and do it the way that can be agreed and compromised on. It’s unlikely in this environment to happen and I really don’t want to hear a tired old axiom of “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”. That’s a lazy trope as well.
I lived in denmark, amazing country yet would never think it would make sense to model anything after them.
The whole notion that we’re looking for answers from Canada and Europe, who are doing far, far worse than us overall, makes no sense. Whatever hegemony we built over time was on our own “Protestant ethic and spirit of capitalism” (book title not religious by me) not following some other dipshits who we took our freedoms from and have far more problems and skeletons than we do.
That doesn’t mean don’t take observations into consideration from other models but then we do it the way that makes sense. Ernest if this discussion is basically all just nonsense. Value at risk (car) is a mathematically elegant model but it’s dogshit when. Comes to assumptions about the real world.
So, the story gets coverage, but it's not at the scale of coverage you want?
Here's some cheese to go with all that wine.
No one on here thinks that violence should be excused because it's one race or another, nor have I heard any such in the MSM. The only place I hear any of that is on right wing media claiming it be the belief of the MSM, which far as I can tell is just BS.
It was a disgusting act that deserves strong punishment.
me, me me, it's all about me and what I think it's important. don't recall myself getting all upset because you value one topic over another.
Youre No gentleman, but no doorknob either.
Yet, you endorse division on racial grounds when the Post goes full 24/7, above the fold coverage about a smirkinig high school child when a grown man is assaulting him with an instrument whose decibles, that close to the ear drum, may do permanent damage. White kid, brown adult. Brown kids, white adult. You reveal much about yourself with your long winded comments. lacking the very quality the residents of the baltimore area call it. Interesting that it rhymes harm
Kid with the MAGA hat and smirk could have walked away if his ears were being assaulted by that deadly weapon. Simon Bar Sinister whip that up?
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