The Nation's Financial Condition

[MDlaxfan76]

If a dude who spewed as much vitriol as joe Walsh can publicly apologize for his role and behavior and reject the current situation there’s still hope. Need to bring George will back, stop having guys quit or give up. I find this calling all Republicans stupid or heartless or whatever to be problematic in a two party system. Seems a convenient heuristic for a certain cohort to angle for one party and everyone either as to get on board for be ruled by the tyranny of the majority.

George Will is clearly appalled.
Problematically, he and other lifetime R's like us are now considered by the Trumpists to not be sufficiently 'loyal'...to Der Leader.
This started when they began to call us RINO's. But much worse now.

I quite agree about the issue of having a viable two party system.

[HooDat]

This started when they began to call us RINO's.

RINO had nothing to do with Trump.

What about calling out the party of conservatism for spening other peoples money like a drunk sailor on shore-leave is "problematic"?

Trump is a but-clown, but the idea that we had a 2-party system in 2014 is a total joke. Clinton/Bush/Kennedy/Global Corporatists - they ARE all the same.

[a fan]

Trump is a but-clown, but the idea that we had a 2-party system in 2014 is a total joke. Clinton/Bush/Kennedy/Global Corporatists - they ARE all the same.

+1

I'd argue that we'd likely have found out the Hillary was to the right of G Bush. We'll never know, I guess.

[CU88]

r's continue with Tax Cuts and Spend!

Must be Election Season!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/wat ... for-states

[MDlaxfan76]

This started when they began to call us RINO's.

RINO had nothing to do with Trump.

What about calling out the party of conservatism for spening other peoples money like a drunk sailor on shore-leave is "problematic"?

Trump is a but-clown, but the idea that we had a 2-party system in 2014 is a total joke. Clinton/Bush/Kennedy/Global Corporatists - they ARE all the same.

Interesting take on this. Perhaps what some meant when using the term RINO to disparage fellow R's was that they were too willing to spend OPM, but it was also being cast at those who thought right to life nut jobs went too far, or who thought gay marriage was just fine for those who actually wanted to commit to one another, or who thought the Party should work much harder on appealing to various minority groups, or that some sensible gun control actually made sense. Any of those 'moderate' sort of views could earn you the label.

My problem wasn't that folks within the Party disagreed on issues, it was that some in the Party began to reject anyone not 'pure' enough in their dogmas.

Please note that those being rejected today aren't the ones who wish to burn through as much OPM as they can as fast as they can, as long as they take their slice. Indeed, those folks occupy the White House and demand fealty from the Party.

In return they give them their judges. Doesn't make a difference whether the judges are absolute idiots, totally unqualified or simply big jerks, all that matters is they will adjudicate 'conservatively'...radically so.

And Build the Wall. Total Muslim Ban....

and fiscal conservatives, George will, guys like me, we're the RINO's...

[a fan]

r's continue with Tax Cuts and Spend!

Must be Election Season!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/wat ... for-states

What happened to "just say no"??

More socialism, more handouts.

[HooDat]

This started when they began to call us RINO's.

RINO had nothing to do with Trump.

What about calling out the party of conservatism for spening other peoples money like a drunk sailor on shore-leave is "problematic"?

Trump is a but-clown, but the idea that we had a 2-party system in 2014 is a total joke. Clinton/Bush/Kennedy/Global Corporatists - they ARE all the same.

Interesting take on this. Perhaps what some meant when using the term RINO to disparage fellow R's was that they were too willing to spend OPM, but it was also being cast at those who thought right to life nut jobs went too far, or who thought gay marriage was just fine for those who actually wanted to commit to one another, or who thought the Party should work much harder on appealing to various minority groups, or that some sensible gun control actually made sense. Any of those 'moderate' sort of views could earn you the label.

My problem wasn't that folks within the Party disagreed on issues, it was that some in the Party began to reject anyone not 'pure' enough in their dogmas.

Please note that those being rejected today aren't the ones who wish to burn through as much OPM as they can as fast as they can, as long as they take their slice. Indeed, those folks occupy the White House and demand fealty from the Party.

In return they give them their judges. Doesn't make a difference whether the judges are absolute idiots, totally unqualified or simply big jerks, all that matters is they will adjudicate 'conservatively'...radically so.

And Build the Wall. Total Muslim Ban....

and fiscal conservatives, George will, guys like me, we're the RINO's...

Boy am I glad I don't live in your neighborhood. I see very few of the hateful types you are always going on about, and when I do see them, they are being ignored and shunned, except by the media that loves to give them the spotlight so that they can say "hey, look at the idiots that are the GOP". The same thing they did with Trump, only there is backfired. And we differ on the why. You see racists and hatred. I saw people who were fed up with a system that they thought worked for the 0.1%. Trump nailed it with "rigged".

[Farfromgeneva]

What makes him the appropriate symbol and conduit of this rejection of the prior cohort? He’s been rigging his real estate deals and utilizing other peoples money, failing repeatedly, lying as much or more than any republican politician and otherwise not represented any ideals that most human beings, let alone Americans or republicans stand for. I can understand the election result to an extent, particularly in light of the opponent, but within a few weeks I don’t get why folks didn’t get off the train and recognize the disaster he’s been for our country in so many ways.

[old salt]

What makes him the appropriate symbol and conduit of this rejection of the prior cohort? He’s been rigging his real estate deals and utilizing other peoples money, failing repeatedly, lying as much or more than any republican politician and otherwise not represented any ideals that most human beings, let alone Americans or republicans stand for. I can understand the election result to an extent, particularly in light of the opponent, but within a few weeks I don’t get why folks didn’t get off the train and recognize the disaster he’s been for our country in so many ways.

Recognizing the discontent of the masses with the status quo, then exploiting lt, does not make Trump the appropriate symbol or conduit.
He was just perceptive enough to recognize & exploit it, which he could do by being a well known public figure who had crafted a facade as a savvy deal maker. His rise to power is a testimony to the obtuseness of the establishment elite running both parties.

I was not a viewer of The Apprentice. Apparently millions of voters were.

[Farfromgeneva]

Thanks, but why then defend or try to excuse all his behavior? And was he perceptive enough, or was it all these former Nixon admin folks who’ve worked in front and behind the scenes with him plus Bannon (who may be dirty but I acknowledge he’s very smart) the ones who have used him to exploit this in a somewhat fascist manner? They’re mistake was assuming they could control him, which one can’t do with a wild animal and perhaps why he doubles down on every mistake he makes. Overplaying hands, though it’s real scary when dealing with people crazier and/or dirtier than he is throughout the globe. The degradation in so many institutions along the way just bothers me. There’s a big difference between “questioning the questioners” and assaulting and labeling everyone who doesn’t get on board an enemy. A president calling any citizen of this country an enemy, frankly, is straight up fascist (except people like a timothy mcveigh, for example, who has literally made themselves enemies of the state).

[MDlaxfan76]

This started when they began to call us RINO's.

RINO had nothing to do with Trump.

What about calling out the party of conservatism for spening other peoples money like a drunk sailor on shore-leave is "problematic"?

Trump is a but-clown, but the idea that we had a 2-party system in 2014 is a total joke. Clinton/Bush/Kennedy/Global Corporatists - they ARE all the same.

Interesting take on this. Perhaps what some meant when using the term RINO to disparage fellow R's was that they were too willing to spend OPM, but it was also being cast at those who thought right to life nut jobs went too far, or who thought gay marriage was just fine for those who actually wanted to commit to one another, or who thought the Party should work much harder on appealing to various minority groups, or that some sensible gun control actually made sense. Any of those 'moderate' sort of views could earn you the label.

My problem wasn't that folks within the Party disagreed on issues, it was that some in the Party began to reject anyone not 'pure' enough in their dogmas.

Please note that those being rejected today aren't the ones who wish to burn through as much OPM as they can as fast as they can, as long as they take their slice. Indeed, those folks occupy the White House and demand fealty from the Party.

In return they give them their judges. Doesn't make a difference whether the judges are absolute idiots, totally unqualified or simply big jerks, all that matters is they will adjudicate 'conservatively'...radically so.

And Build the Wall. Total Muslim Ban....

and fiscal conservatives, George will, guys like me, we're the RINO's...

Boy am I glad I don't live in your neighborhood. I see very few of the hateful types you are always going on about, and when I do see them, they are being ignored and shunned, except by the media that loves to give them the spotlight so that they can say "hey, look at the idiots that are the GOP". The same thing they did with Trump, only there is backfired. And we differ on the why. You see racists and hatred. I saw people who were fed up with a system that they thought worked for the 0.1%. Trump nailed it with "rigged".

Perhaps you misunderstand me, which means I haven't communicated effectively.

I, too, don't run into many "hateful types", and I certainly don't just see "racists and hatred". Frankly, I avoid the worst of those folks in my daily or social life. When I find myself stuck at a dinner table with someone spewing outright bigotry, it gets very uncomfortable for everyone at the table because I do confront it, albeit with as much social grace and humor as I can muster. But I'd not invite them back to any social table of mine.

I listed a whole lot of views that I would consider 'moderate' that began to generate the accusation "RINO". If one held any or all of these views, you were booed out of the Party. But, no worries, not out of my "neighborhood".

If we look at the issues I described which of these don't have many advocates within the Party who hold these strong views on the right who are being "ignored and shunned" by the Party? I'm not talking about those who carry swastikas (though the very top of the Party is having serious difficulty rejecting them), I'm talking about gay marriage, choice, sensible gun control, comprehensive immigration reform...versus appeals to Total Muslim Ban and Build the Wall and I'll give you judges.

You tell me which is ascendant today in the Party?

Sure, some people got spun up enough to vote because of "the system is rigged" by the 1%. Bernie sure worked that one on the left. Trump claimed he was doing so on the right and, yup, that resonated with some. But do you really think he ever actually meant a word of that BS he spewed? Or was it the same as claiming there were a million illegals voting in 2016?

Time to reject him and everything he represents. Want someone to actually deliver for the 99%, look elsewhere.

[HooDat]

Thanks, but why then defend or try to excuse all his behavior?

I hope that I don't come across as defending or excusing his behavior - I have merely been pointing out (since 2015) the effectiveness of it. I grew up in DC, weaned on the Washington Post and the Washington Star - and am guilty of having grown up seeing Politics as the ultimate contact sport. Unfortunately that clever quip has turned into truth. So, my comments are merely observations of what I see happening, because (for the record) I think they all suck.

But do you really think he ever actually meant a word of that BS he spewed?

I actually think there is a part of him that thinks he believes it. My take is that Trump would never do anything that didn't benefit Trump, nor would he do anything that would hurt Trump - but yeah, I think he is disillusion enough to think he is the Champion of the People

[Typical Lax Dad]

Thanks, but why then defend or try to excuse all his behavior?

I hope that I don't come across as defending or excusing his behavior - I have merely been pointing out (since 2015) the effectiveness of it. I grew up in DC, weaned on the Washington Post and the Washington Star - and am guilty of having grown up seeing Politics as the ultimate contact sport. Unfortunately that clever quip has turned into truth. So, my comments are merely observations of what I see happening, because (for the record) I think they all suck.

But do you really think he ever actually meant a word of that BS he spewed?

I actually think there is a part of him that thinks he believes it. My take is that Trump would never do anything that didn't benefit Trump, nor would he do anything that would hurt Trump - but yeah, I think he is disillusion enough to think he is the Champion of the People

Went out to the airport last week and drove past Trump's ridiculous golf course on the landfill twice. 0 cars in the lot and 0 carts on the course. I wonder if it smells down wind?

[hooligan88]

Ignorance!!

[HooDat]

I wonder if it smells down wind?

by "it" are you referring to the course or to Trump?

not sure the answer is any different, just curious....

[Typical Lax Dad]

I wonder if it smells down wind?

by "it" are you referring to the course or to Trump?

not sure the answer is any different, just curious....

Booth... whenever we drive by my wife can't believe its a golf course.

[MDlaxfan76]

Thanks, but why then defend or try to excuse all his behavior?

I hope that I don't come across as defending or excusing his behavior - I have merely been pointing out (since 2015) the effectiveness of it. I grew up in DC, weaned on the Washington Post and the Washington Star - and am guilty of having grown up seeing Politics as the ultimate contact sport. Unfortunately that clever quip has turned into truth. So, my comments are merely observations of what I see happening, because (for the record) I think they all suck.

But do you really think he ever actually meant a word of that BS he spewed?

I actually think there is a part of him that thinks he believes it. My take is that Trump would never do anything that didn't benefit Trump, nor would he do anything that would hurt Trump - but yeah, I think he is disillusion enough to think he is the Champion of the People

Geneva may have been referring to Salty's near constant defending or excusing of Trump's behavior rather than a response to you. His answer may be much the same, but the challenge to him would be more pointed as it's been very difficult for him to actually criticize Trump and his various policies.

"disillusion" maybe a Freudian slip?

Certainly possible that Trump's that delusional.
More of an issue is that so many people were, and apparently continue to be, deluded as well.

[youthathletics]

U.S. creates just 130,000 new jobs in August, keeping Fed on track to cut rates

Interesting point in article.... energy companies cut jobs.? Seems counter to the glaring call for energy conservation.

In closing...
Big picture: The U.S. economy is not growing as fast and the softening labor market offers clear proof.

Yet rising wages, steady hiring and the lowest unemployment rate in half a century are giving consumers enough confidence to keep spending at levels likely to help the U.S. avert recession even as the rest of the world struggles to grow.

The Fed hopes to give the economy an extra shot in the arm by reducing interest rates.

[Trinity]

U.S. job growth on slowest pace since 2010:
#Job growth since 2008 (millions)
2008: -3.56
2009: -5.06
2010: +1.06
2011: +2.09
2012: +2.14
2013: +2.30
2014: +2.99
2015: +2.71
2016: +2.24
2017: +2.06
2018: +2.56
2019: +1.107 (Jan-Aug.)
(Labor Dept./Bureau of Labor Statistics)

[Trinity]

Average Monthly Job Growth

Last four months under Obama: 191,000

Last four months under Trump: 132,000

#JobsReport

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