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MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 9:59 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 9:49 pm Anish, Carc and Terry Foy all terribly upset on social media about Notre Dame being excluded. ND is a really good team, but only playing 11 games is sub standard.

They played 12. Hadn’t thought about that as a reason to exclude them. Personally I think they’re a great team, but they only really beat Duke.

I think what’s crystal clear is that the committee really valued top-5 and top-10 wins, and looked at head-to-head. Harvard beat Princeton, which obviously was the marquee win they needed to get into the tournament. They also beat tournament teams in Brown and BU.

OSU beat ND and Harvard. With Duke out, ND actually didn’t beat a single tournament team.

Thanks. I corrected my post. In the past, ACC teams ignored early season losses since they came on strong in the latter part of the season. This year, early season losses and the lack of an ACC tournament hurt them. This may be a banner year for the Ivies between fifth year players, and other players granted added eligibility for sitting out 2020 and/or 2021.

Oh how the turns…table

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 9:37 pm

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 9:24 pm HOLY CRAP 6 Ivies. That's it, I gotta make another beer run.
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Joewillie78

And I’ve got to eat my hat!

There was a lot of talk that Covid (and the way things were handled by the administration) was going to kill the ivy's.
Well- that clearly was not the case. The Ivy's had their strongest season (probably) in the league's storied history.
Could it be possible that the ACC and Big 10 schools decided to allocate scholarship $ and roster spots to older guys using their covid years, opening the door to Ivy schools getting highly talented freshman and sophomores that could/would have decided to take the scholarship $ in years past???

Good hunting to all...

Until... we meet... again

Well now that six are in prepare for a lot of criticism from most if not all nonIVY fans. The League has endured some real battles and various teams have been “hot” at different times. Sincere best wishes to each and every IVY team. The challenge now is to represent the league well and to demonstrate that the IVY league deserves all the respect that six bids warrant.

Well now that six are in prepare for a lot of criticism from most if not all nonIVY fans. The League has endured some real battles and various teams have been “hot” at different times. Sincere best wishes to each and every IVY team. The challenge now is to represent the league well and to demonstrate that the IVY league deserves all the respect that six bids warrant.

No disrespect intended in suggesting a pecking order, but the folks salivating to rip the Ivies and hopefully be able to say "We told you so!" have likely circled the Brown and Cornell games as extra special out of the 6 Ivy games on the dance card. Here's to hoping both home teams hold court in what will likely be fierce games. Hoping for a freak lake effect snowstorm in Ithaca to welcome the Buckeyes. It would be like a Spring day for the Big Red.

Big challenges in all games, and it's nice to be at the "win and advance" point of the season. Exciting days ahead.

Bearfan wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 7:59 am Well now that six are in prepare for a lot of criticism from most if not all nonIVY fans. The League has endured some real battles and various teams have been “hot” at different times. Sincere best wishes to each and every IVY team. The challenge now is to represent the league well and to demonstrate that the IVY league deserves all the respect that six bids warrant.

ACC fans are the only ones that are mad, I think.

Carc, Quint and Foy hoping Ivies go 0-6.

I don't know if I'm rooting more for the Ivies to do well because I'm an IVY HOMER, or because I enjoy watching these guys collective heads explode.

2 for the price of 1 this year. Doesn't get any better than this.
Also, if IVY teams win by ONLY 1 goal, does that mean that we actually need to reverse that result to see if the win was actually legit?
Go Ivies.
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Joewillie78

I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:39 am Carc, Quint and Foy hoping Ivies go 0-6.

I don't know if I'm rooting more for the Ivies to do well because I'm an IVY HOMER, or because I enjoy watching these guys collective heads explode.

2 for the price of 1 this year. Doesn't get any better than this.
Also, if IVY teams win by ONLY 1 goal, does that mean that we actually need to reverse that result to see if the win was actually legit?
Go Ivies.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

^^.

I watched the selection show and listened to the Terry Foy IL podcast with the committee selection chair. Clearly, the committee methodically followed the process and its criteria. Nowhere is there a criteria that says follow the 'eye test' or there shall be a 'minimum of 2 or 4 ACC teams'. Duke hurt itself with three bad losses. ND just didn't play enough games to have enough good wins. The Ivies and B10 got it done on the field. The ACC didn't. It's refreshing to see a selection process work the way it was designed and not tainted by outside influences or historic precedents. Shut out the noise. Go Ivies.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Yup. When you hear someone raging about 'Affirmative Action'* admittance, ask them their opinion on legacy admission.

*I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying I have read anything like this on any thread here, but in meatspace...

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:07 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Yup. When you hear someone raging about 'Affirmative Action'* admittance, ask them their opinion on legacy admission.

*I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying I have read anything like this on any thread here, but in meatspace...

At Dartmouth I can say, with direct and numerous cases of anecdotal evidence over the past decade+, that we're practically in an era of "anti-legacy" admissions office sentiment.

b1w7o9y7h wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:10 am

bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:07 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Yup. When you hear someone raging about 'Affirmative Action'* admittance, ask them their opinion on legacy admission.

*I am ABSOLUTELY NOT saying I have read anything like this on any thread here, but in meatspace...

At Dartmouth I can say, with direct and numerous cases of anecdotal evidence over the past decade+, that we're practically in an era of "anti-legacy" admissions office sentiment.

And now, with a little latency to work through the system, you get six bids. See.

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:39 am Also, if IVY teams win by ONLY 1 goal, does that mean that we actually need to reverse that result to see if the win was actually legit?
Go Ivies.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78

Do ya think Carc feels Cornell should share the 2009 championship with Syracuse? I mean, Cornell won the "eye test" for 59+ minutes and the game did go to overtime.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Very valid point. But remember, schools like tOSU subsidize lacrosse from their ATHLETIC BUDGETS, which confines the Ivies’ structural advantage to prestige, endowed need-based financial aid, and academics. Regarding this last one, a good case can be made that it’s both legit and meritocratic.

Ezra White wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 10:01 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Very valid point. But remember, schools like tOSU subsidize lacrosse from their ATHLETIC BUDGETS, which confines the Ivies’ structural advantage to prestige, endowed need-based financial aid, and academics. Regarding this last one, a good case can be made that it’s both legit and meritocratic.

The lacrosse player experience at an Ivy League school is very different than the experience at a BCS school. The athletic resources dedicated to the sport are very different.

Ezra White wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 10:01 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:01 am I’m rooting for numerous ivies but it’s a good thing this is a lacrosse board because to hear all this angst over historical unfairness to people from the Ivy leagues does come with a side consideration of the bigger universe with $10-$40Bn endowments and structural advantages built over prior generations where meritocracy wasn’t exactly always the case in whi attended said institutions.

It felt like it needed to be mentioned with all the raging.

Very valid point. But remember, schools like tOSU subsidize lacrosse from their ATHLETIC BUDGETS, which confines the Ivies’ structural advantage to prestige, endowed need-based financial aid, and academics. Regarding this last one, a good case can be made that it’s both legit and meritocratic.

The IVY league is an athletic conference is it not? By choice made a looomg time ago in order to have the system they wanted right?

Also a little easier on title 9.

Either way it still seemed worth throwing out there as a reminder. Everyone knows what the P5 schools are doing and who they are when they complain about being screwed.