January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[old salt]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

[MDlaxfan76]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

[old salt]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

[CU88]

Nothing like having a prepared and ready National Guard jump into Federal action, but then have a bunch of them say "Oops, wait for me"; first I need to go to CVS and get a shot.

But keep sending me that Federal money!!!!!!

DEPLORABLE

[MDlaxfan76]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Are you suggesting that the Oklahoma Guard have been "activated under Title 32" thus not bound to federal control and regulation? Even when training?

[old salt]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Are you suggesting that the Oklahoma Guard have been "activated under Title 32" thus not bound to federal control and regulation? Even when training?

Google is your friend :
https://ok.ng.mil/News/Article/2868609/ ... ec-9-2021/

[MDlaxfan76]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Are you suggesting that the Oklahoma Guard have been "activated under Title 32" thus not bound to federal control and regulation? Even when training?

Google is your friend :
https://ok.ng.mil/News/Article/2868609/ ... ec-9-2021/

Is there an emergency order in Oklahoma necessitating Guard call-up?

Or is the Governor, with Adj. G support, claiming he has 32 authority without such an emergency, specifically to provide shelter for those not wanting to be vaccinated, defying the Presidential order for preparation in the event of an Article 10 call-up?

[PizzaSnake]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Give unto Caesar his due.

You can’t serve two masters.

Pick your aphorism.

If he wishes to ignore his CinC, then he needs to leave the federal system — no benefits.

Now do you understand?

[Kismet]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Give unto Caesar his due.

You can’t serve two masters.

Pick your aphorism.

If he wishes to ignore his CinC, then he needs to leave the federal system — no benefits.

Now do you understand?

Can't the Governor of OK, form and fund his own state militia as other states have done? If Guard commanders can refuse to follow orders of the CinC can funding then be withheld by Washington DC?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Crazy Woke Talk

[old salt]

I keep forgetting that chain of command means nothing to the USA military


Oklahoma Guard commander defends rejecting vaccine mandate as Pentagon warns troops who refuse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... nal-guard/

The Oklahoma National Guard’s commanding general Wednesday defended his directive countermanding federal requirements that all U.S. military personnel be vaccinated against the coronavirus, telling troops in a private town hall event that he was following orders from the state’s Republican governor and meant no disrespect to his superiors at the Pentagon.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Mancino, speaking to several dozen members of the Oklahoma National Guard in Oklahoma City, cast himself as an apolitical leader bound by law to answer to Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who fired the state’s previous National Guard commander last week and ordered Mancino the next day to issue a policy allowing members to avoid the vaccine.

Separate him from the US military. Let Caesar pay him…

Yup, should be court martialed, dishonorably discharged etc...whatever is appropriate in the Guard. But out.

Your ignorance of all things National Guard & the UCMJ knows no limits.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... ction.html

Most assuredly I know little about the Guard other than from a couple of friends who serve, a couple of other acquaintances through church who serve. So, I certainly am open to critique as not knowing much...but what aspect of the law or policy do you think I don't understand?

Happy to learn.

Title 10 vs Title 32 status.

SecDef announced different deadlines for Army Guard & Air Guard.

Are you suggesting that the Oklahoma Guard have been "activated under Title 32" thus not bound to federal control and regulation? Even when training?

Google is your friend :
https://ok.ng.mil/News/Article/2868609/ ... ec-9-2021/

Is there an emergency order in Oklahoma necessitating Guard call-up?

Or is the Governor, with Adj. G support, claiming he has 32 authority without such an emergency, specifically to provide shelter for those not wanting to be vaccinated, defying the Presidential order for preparation in the event of an Article 10 call-up?

Governors command the NG until they are Federalized. You want to rant & argue. Do some research before calling for the Court Martial & Dishonorable discharge of an officer who's just trying to do his job, protect his troops, & maintain unit integrity, while feuding politicians & the courts sort this out. NG troops do not surrender all their rights.

[ggait]

Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella. Why, exactly, are muh ruy-iots limited to just one of the 18? Total stupid garbage.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em. We are better off without them.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

[old salt]

Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

We no longer have conscripts to fill the ranks. You don't know how good they are as soldiers. The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose. It's totally unnecessary.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... al/359880/

It's not just a problem in OK. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... ds/359827/

How many service members -- Active, Reserve & Guard -- will be unnecessarily lost over this failure in political leadership ?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

We no longer have conscripts to fill the ranks. You don't know how good they are as soldiers. The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose. It's totally unnecessary.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... al/359880/

It's not just a problem in OK. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... ds/359827/

Guess they don’t believe in chain of command. Promote someone else that can follow orders.

[a fan]

Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

We no longer have conscripts to fill the ranks. You don't know how good they are as soldiers. The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose. It's totally unnecessary.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... al/359880/

It's not just a problem in OK. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... ds/359827/

How many service members -- Active, Reserve & Guard -- will be unnecessarily lost over this failure in political leadership ?

Up is down. Down is up. Post-Trump world where veterans now think it's unimportant to have soldiers that can follow orders, and not be swayed by propaganda.

Can't wait to see what 2022 will bring us.

[ggait]

Soldiers are supposed to follow lawful orders from the chain of command.

Not defy lawful orders and instead follow some ignorant mouth breather political disinformation from their social media.

Duty honor country is the code. Not follow whatever rando shirt flows out of your Facebook page.

Happy to have all of them resign. Sooner rather than later.

[a fan]

Soldiers are supposed to follow lawful orders from the chain of command.

Not defy lawful orders and instead follow some ignorant mouth breather political disinformation from their Facebook page.

Yep.

Anyone have any ideas as to what we should do if these same armed soldiers buy the BS surrounding elections, and refuse to take orders from anyone other than Trump?

No, of course not. They think this is all a fun game.

[cradleandshoot]

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Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

We no longer have conscripts to fill the ranks. You don't know how good they are as soldiers. The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose. It's totally unnecessary.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... al/359880/

It's not just a problem in OK. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... ds/359827/

Guess they don’t believe in chain of command. Promote someone else that can follow orders.

Did you even read the link OS posted? I was regular army. When my unit deployed to Panama in 1980 we had no choice about our vaccinations. We went into a room and received every vaccination uncle Sam told us we needed. The National Guard are called "citizen soldiers" for a reason. It gets much more complicated for these CO because their soldiers are citizens first. If your RA, different story.

[cradleandshoot]

Soldiers are supposed to follow lawful orders from the chain of command.

Not defy lawful orders and instead follow some ignorant mouth breather political disinformation from their social media.

Duty honor country is the code. Not follow whatever rando shirt flows out of your Facebook page.

Happy to have all of them resign. Sooner rather than later.

They are citizens first, soldiers second. They are called weekend warriors for a reason. The easy solution is to discharge them from service. I will admit that this gets complicated. If your RA, you follow orders. If your NG or AR you have to decide what a lawful order is.

[Kismet]

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Oh please just stop with the mouth breather gaslighting bull shirt, Salty.

FYI, the mouth breather governor from OK has raised no objection to any of the 17 other vaccinations that NG service members are required to get for diseases such as Anthrax, Chickenpox, Polio, Rabies, Typhoid, and Measles, Mumps, and Rubella.

Just kick the anti-vax mouth breathers out of the NG if they won't take the shot. Fork 'em.

They likely suck as soldiers anyway. Probably the kind of jack wad service members (of which there were soooo many) storming the Capital on 1/6. Good Riddance!!!!

We no longer have conscripts to fill the ranks. You don't know how good they are as soldiers. The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose. It's totally unnecessary.
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... al/359880/

It's not just a problem in OK. https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/ ... ds/359827/

Guess they don’t believe in chain of command. Promote someone else that can follow orders.

Did you even read the link OS posted? I was regular army. When my unit deployed to Panama in 1980 we had no choice about our vaccinations. We went into a room and received every vaccination uncle Sam told us we needed. The National Guard are called "citizen soldiers" for a reason. It gets much more complicated for these CO because their soldiers are citizens first. If your RA, different story.

Well, its not your regular Army any longer - Also Per OS above.....and former military Crenshaw also piling on telling soldiers to disobey orders from command. Bet the Chicoms and Rooskies are loving all this with inmates apparently trying to run the asylum.

The Army just lost 2 Battalion Commanders over this. Let's see how many more Marines we lose.