All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are we still arguing about whether the US, and NY as the initial epicenter, was prepared for this virus and reacted effectively and quickly enough to to it, making no mistakes along the way???

Is there any area of the country in which a high percentage of the deaths in the initial months weren't in nursing homes and senior living centers?

Seriously...my GOP Governor has done a pretty darn good job, IMO, of handling this crisis, including bending the curve, but he surely would agree that nursing homes were one of the weak links, especially in early days. Still are highly vulnerable. Was this because he's a Republican? No more than because Cuomo is a Democrat. They just had early cases, with NY being far more overwhelmed with community spread before anywhere else was.

Across the country, we've learned about what practices are necessary to prevent spread in those most vulnerable, but when the community spread is rampant in the surrounding community in which employees live, it can nevertheless overwhelm.

But at least we have PPE now in the most vulnerable areas...but, uhh ohh, reports are that PPE is getting scarce again...

And at least we have testing....but uhhh ohhh we now have 8 days turnarounds in some areas, 8 hour waits in line to get tests....

When there's rampant community spread, out of control, there are ripple effects down the line.

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue. they will lose lawsuits bigly (that's not a fact, just a prediction) unless they somehow give themselves legal protection or write a check that a law firm deems is big enough for their 1/3 in a class action.

the proactive action is the issue. not what wasn't known, done in prep, etc. that was bad enough in hindsight many places, but is another category altogether in a pandemic.

Cuomo sent 6,300 recovering patients back to nursing homes. 6,400 died in nursing homes. Don’t you want to know across other locales what the death yield was before you can determine if sending this people back was the match that lit a fire? If the R nought is high for coronavirus, on the surface, that doesn’t seem to be disastrous.

[wgdsr]

Are we still arguing about whether the US, and NY as the initial epicenter, was prepared for this virus and reacted effectively and quickly enough to to it, making no mistakes along the way???

Is there any area of the country in which a high percentage of the deaths in the initial months weren't in nursing homes and senior living centers?

Seriously...my GOP Governor has done a pretty darn good job, IMO, of handling this crisis, including bending the curve, but he surely would agree that nursing homes were one of the weak links, especially in early days. Still are highly vulnerable. Was this because he's a Republican? No more than because Cuomo is a Democrat. They just had early cases, with NY being far more overwhelmed with community spread before anywhere else was.

Across the country, we've learned about what practices are necessary to prevent spread in those most vulnerable, but when the community spread is rampant in the surrounding community in which employees live, it can nevertheless overwhelm.

But at least we have PPE now in the most vulnerable areas...but, uhh ohh, reports are that PPE is getting scarce again...

And at least we have testing....but uhhh ohhh we now have 8 days turnarounds in some areas, 8 hour waits in line to get tests....

When there's rampant community spread, out of control, there are ripple effects down the line.

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue. they will lose lawsuits bigly (that's not a fact, just a prediction) unless they somehow give themselves legal protection or write a check that a law firm deems is big enough for their 1/3 in a class action.

the proactive action is the issue. not what wasn't known, done in prep, etc. that was bad enough in hindsight many places, but is another category altogether in a pandemic.

Cuomo sent 6,300 recovering patients back to nursing homes. 6,400 died in nursing homes. Don’t you want to know across other locales what the death yield was before you can determine if sending this people back was the match that lit a fire? If the R nought is high for coronavirus, on the surface, that doesn’t seem to be disastrous.

i will take the over on the eventual audit of nursing home deaths. new york has been playing with the numbers since day 1. rely on those at your peril.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... r-be-known
they've been not counted in many cases as nursing home deaths bc they got moved out in time. i'll guess that's in the 1000s somewhere.
to some degree, you can say accounting in a pandemic is an issue for another day.

making policy is not. if just 300 of those patients were infectious and contributed to another 300? 3000? deaths and lord knows whatever health issues by the 1000s to the most vulnerable, is there any scenario where you can say them's the breaks?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are we still arguing about whether the US, and NY as the initial epicenter, was prepared for this virus and reacted effectively and quickly enough to to it, making no mistakes along the way???

Is there any area of the country in which a high percentage of the deaths in the initial months weren't in nursing homes and senior living centers?

Seriously...my GOP Governor has done a pretty darn good job, IMO, of handling this crisis, including bending the curve, but he surely would agree that nursing homes were one of the weak links, especially in early days. Still are highly vulnerable. Was this because he's a Republican? No more than because Cuomo is a Democrat. They just had early cases, with NY being far more overwhelmed with community spread before anywhere else was.

Across the country, we've learned about what practices are necessary to prevent spread in those most vulnerable, but when the community spread is rampant in the surrounding community in which employees live, it can nevertheless overwhelm.

But at least we have PPE now in the most vulnerable areas...but, uhh ohh, reports are that PPE is getting scarce again...

And at least we have testing....but uhhh ohhh we now have 8 days turnarounds in some areas, 8 hour waits in line to get tests....

When there's rampant community spread, out of control, there are ripple effects down the line.

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue. they will lose lawsuits bigly (that's not a fact, just a prediction) unless they somehow give themselves legal protection or write a check that a law firm deems is big enough for their 1/3 in a class action.

the proactive action is the issue. not what wasn't known, done in prep, etc. that was bad enough in hindsight many places, but is another category altogether in a pandemic.

Cuomo sent 6,300 recovering patients back to nursing homes. 6,400 died in nursing homes. Don’t you want to know across other locales what the death yield was before you can determine if sending this people back was the match that lit a fire? If the R nought is high for coronavirus, on the surface, that doesn’t seem to be disastrous.

i will take the over on the eventual audit of nursing home deaths. new york has been playing with the numbers since day 1. rely on those at your peril.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... r-be-known
they've been not counted in many cases as nursing home deaths bc they got moved out in time. i'll guess that's in the 1000s somewhere.
to some degree, you can say accounting in a pandemic is an issue for another day.

making policy is not. if just 300 of those patients were infectious and contributed to another 300? 3000? deaths and lord knows whatever health issues by the 1000s to the most vulnerable, is there any scenario where you can say them's the breaks?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/nyre ... virus.html

It’s a novel coronavirus for which we have no immunity. It finds a hosts and replicates. The tri-state and Washington State saw it early. Less time to prepare, less known about it and in the NY tri state we have dense population with an extensive commuting network. I am sure mistakes were made along the way. Let’s see how our friends in Texas and Florida do with a seven month head start. How are we doing on a systematic testing program for our citizens. Our numbers are much worse than other countries....why do our national leaders get a break? Sending people back to a nursing home was a mistake. Going to be hard to determine how much of a difference it made in the grand scheme. Learning curve. It sucks but that’s the reality.

[cradleandshoot]

Are we still arguing about whether the US, and NY as the initial epicenter, was prepared for this virus and reacted effectively and quickly enough to to it, making no mistakes along the way???

Is there any area of the country in which a high percentage of the deaths in the initial months weren't in nursing homes and senior living centers?

Seriously...my GOP Governor has done a pretty darn good job, IMO, of handling this crisis, including bending the curve, but he surely would agree that nursing homes were one of the weak links, especially in early days. Still are highly vulnerable. Was this because he's a Republican? No more than because Cuomo is a Democrat. They just had early cases, with NY being far more overwhelmed with community spread before anywhere else was.

Across the country, we've learned about what practices are necessary to prevent spread in those most vulnerable, but when the community spread is rampant in the surrounding community in which employees live, it can nevertheless overwhelm.

But at least we have PPE now in the most vulnerable areas...but, uhh ohh, reports are that PPE is getting scarce again...

And at least we have testing....but uhhh ohhh we now have 8 days turnarounds in some areas, 8 hour waits in line to get tests....

When there's rampant community spread, out of control, there are ripple effects down the line.

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue. they will lose lawsuits bigly (that's not a fact, just a prediction) unless they somehow give themselves legal protection or write a check that a law firm deems is big enough for their 1/3 in a class action.

the proactive action is the issue. not what wasn't known, done in prep, etc. that was bad enough in hindsight many places, but is another category altogether in a pandemic.

Cuomo sent 6,300 recovering patients back to nursing homes. 6,400 died in nursing homes. Don’t you want to know across other locales what the death yield was before you can determine if sending this people back was the match that lit a fire? If the R nought is high for coronavirus, on the surface, that doesn’t seem to be disastrous.

i will take the over on the eventual audit of nursing home deaths. new york has been playing with the numbers since day 1. rely on those at your peril.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... r-be-known
they've been not counted in many cases as nursing home deaths bc they got moved out in time. i'll guess that's in the 1000s somewhere.
to some degree, you can say accounting in a pandemic is an issue for another day.

making policy is not. if just 300 of those patients were infectious and contributed to another 300? 3000? deaths and lord knows whatever health issues by the 1000s to the most vulnerable, is there any scenario where you can say them's the breaks?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/nyre ... virus.html

It’s a novel coronavirus for which we have no immunity. It finds a hosts and replicates. The tri-state and Washington State saw it early. Less time to prepare, less known about it and in the NY tri state we have dense population with an extensive commuting network. I am sure mistakes were made along the way. Let’s see how our friends in Texas and Florida do with a seven month head start. How are we doing on a systematic testing program for our citizens. Our numbers are much worse than other countries....why do our national leaders get a break?

No problem TLD, POTUS Biden will lead the nation back from the brink. The Democrats have a plan...

[Typical Lax Dad]

Are we still arguing about whether the US, and NY as the initial epicenter, was prepared for this virus and reacted effectively and quickly enough to to it, making no mistakes along the way???

Is there any area of the country in which a high percentage of the deaths in the initial months weren't in nursing homes and senior living centers?

Seriously...my GOP Governor has done a pretty darn good job, IMO, of handling this crisis, including bending the curve, but he surely would agree that nursing homes were one of the weak links, especially in early days. Still are highly vulnerable. Was this because he's a Republican? No more than because Cuomo is a Democrat. They just had early cases, with NY being far more overwhelmed with community spread before anywhere else was.

Across the country, we've learned about what practices are necessary to prevent spread in those most vulnerable, but when the community spread is rampant in the surrounding community in which employees live, it can nevertheless overwhelm.

But at least we have PPE now in the most vulnerable areas...but, uhh ohh, reports are that PPE is getting scarce again...

And at least we have testing....but uhhh ohhh we now have 8 days turnarounds in some areas, 8 hour waits in line to get tests....

When there's rampant community spread, out of control, there are ripple effects down the line.

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue. they will lose lawsuits bigly (that's not a fact, just a prediction) unless they somehow give themselves legal protection or write a check that a law firm deems is big enough for their 1/3 in a class action.

the proactive action is the issue. not what wasn't known, done in prep, etc. that was bad enough in hindsight many places, but is another category altogether in a pandemic.

Cuomo sent 6,300 recovering patients back to nursing homes. 6,400 died in nursing homes. Don’t you want to know across other locales what the death yield was before you can determine if sending this people back was the match that lit a fire? If the R nought is high for coronavirus, on the surface, that doesn’t seem to be disastrous.

i will take the over on the eventual audit of nursing home deaths. new york has been playing with the numbers since day 1. rely on those at your peril.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... r-be-known
they've been not counted in many cases as nursing home deaths bc they got moved out in time. i'll guess that's in the 1000s somewhere.
to some degree, you can say accounting in a pandemic is an issue for another day.

making policy is not. if just 300 of those patients were infectious and contributed to another 300? 3000? deaths and lord knows whatever health issues by the 1000s to the most vulnerable, is there any scenario where you can say them's the breaks?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/nyre ... virus.html

It’s a novel coronavirus for which we have no immunity. It finds a hosts and replicates. The tri-state and Washington State saw it early. Less time to prepare, less known about it and in the NY tri state we have dense population with an extensive commuting network. I am sure mistakes were made along the way. Let’s see how our friends in Texas and Florida do with a seven month head start. How are we doing on a systematic testing program for our citizens. Our numbers are much worse than other countries....why do our national leaders get a break?

No problem TLD, POTUS Biden will lead the nation back from the brink. The Democrats have a plan...

You wife post any pictures of dead coronavirus patients on Facebook lately?

[wgdsr]

i was speaking to that one specific issue. cuomo liked being a tv star for months. he was a full month after newsome and probably others in pulling the plug. he threatened funding. he got pressure and pushed back. he lied and said it was the nursing homes' fault. he denied what was actually going on. good chance they are covering up numbers now. any idiot (so politicians included) could have and would have changed course, and some did, after making such a monumental mistake and been made aware of it. he only did it at the end of a gun. bc admitting to a mistake before he "had" to was too much for pride.

connecticut and jersey had plenty of time to understand this as well and then were just shocked when nursing home deaths skyrocketed. florida shuttered nursing homes ftr in early-mid march. not hard. the info was out there. using the timeline on this one is not being honest.

btw, the metro area's transit policy was another grave error in my opinion. i've been willing to concede mistakes will be made in the beginning/middle of a pandemic, shortages of everything, put blame where you will. those 2 decisions on the ground i dont put in that category.
dumb, regrettable and avoidable.

[Typical Lax Dad]

i was speaking to that one specific issue. cuomo liked being a tv star for months. he was a full month after newsome and probably others in pulling the plug. he threatened funding. he got pressure and pushed back. he lied and said it was the nursing homes' fault. he denied what was actually going on. good chance they are covering up numbers now. any idiot (so politicians included) could have and would have changed course, and some did, after making such a monumental mistake and been made aware of it. he only did it at the end of a gun. bc admitting to a mistake before he "had" to was too much for pride.

connecticut and jersey had plenty of time to understand this as well and then were just shocked when nursing home deaths skyrocketed. florida shuttered nursing homes ftr in early-mid march. not hard. the info was out there. using the timeline on this one is not being honest.

btw, the metro area's transit policy was another grave error in my opinion. i've been willing to concede mistakes will be made in the beginning/middle of a pandemic, shortages of everything, put blame where you will. those 2 decisions on the ground i dont put in that category.
dumb, regrettable and avoidable.

Pride has done in plenty of people. We will see if, statistically, how much of a different it made. My guess is that it is going to be hard to measure.... may gravitate toward the national average for nursing home deaths if NY is under represented..... Poor decision...... learning curve...... If Coumo was on TV running his mouth like the guy in Washington, people would care so much......I didn't watch his daily TV show...... So here we are 7 months in, no coherent national policy. Testing situation no different that it was 7 months ago. We are better on PPE (not really). A buddy and his family were tested yesterday in NYC. .... the reason, a Mt. Sinai doctor lives in his building and the building owner lives a few floors above my friend and she decided to get everyone in the building a test...... Good to live on the upper east side.....

[Farfromgeneva]

Let's be honest, Cuomo sucks. He comes from a political royalty family (not totally different from Spitzer) and was coddled all the way into his seat by supporters of Mario. He's basically a DC insider mentally in NY who probably hasn't spent much time west of Alabany Academy other than maybe an occasional vacation of ribbon cutting around the Finger or Thousand Lakes.

But continuously bringing him up to deflect all the gross stuff and moronic actions or inactivity of certain other folks is just nonsense.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Let's be honest, Cuomo sucks. He comes from a political royalty family (not totally different from Spitzer) and was coddled all the way into his seat by supporters of Mario. He's basically a DC insider mentally in NY who probably hasn't spent much time west of Alabany Academy other than maybe an occasional vacation of ribbon cutting around the Finger or Thousand Lakes.

But continuously bringing him up to deflect all the gross stuff and moronic actions or inactivity of certain other folks is just nonsense.

I was on a conference call with his father the day after he lost to Pataki. I met him once before that when we were looking to do something with the NYHA. Some development project in NYC. The only thing I remember about the meeting is riding in a limo with Cuomo and the guy that was running the NYHA program was leaving to go work in private equity. He later showed us a high yield deal that we took to DLJMB. It was not quite large enough. I believe $100MM was the size needed to make sense back then. I remember thinking these government guys have good networks that can be leveraged. The state Treasurers have platinum Rolodexes.

[wgdsr]

i was speaking to that one specific issue. cuomo liked being a tv star for months. he was a full month after newsome and probably others in pulling the plug. he threatened funding. he got pressure and pushed back. he lied and said it was the nursing homes' fault. he denied what was actually going on. good chance they are covering up numbers now. any idiot (so politicians included) could have and would have changed course, and some did, after making such a monumental mistake and been made aware of it. he only did it at the end of a gun. bc admitting to a mistake before he "had" to was too much for pride.

connecticut and jersey had plenty of time to understand this as well and then were just shocked when nursing home deaths skyrocketed. florida shuttered nursing homes ftr in early-mid march. not hard. the info was out there. using the timeline on this one is not being honest.

btw, the metro area's transit policy was another grave error in my opinion. i've been willing to concede mistakes will be made in the beginning/middle of a pandemic, shortages of everything, put blame where you will. those 2 decisions on the ground i dont put in that category.
dumb, regrettable and avoidable.

Pride has done in plenty of people. We will see if, statistically, how much of a different it made. My guess is that it is going to be hard to measure.... may gravitate toward the national average for nursing home deaths if NY is under represented..... Poor decision...... learning curve...... If Coumo was on TV running his mouth like the guy in Washington, people would care so much......I didn't watch his daily TV show...... So here we are 7 months in, no coherent national policy. Testing situation no different that it was 7 months ago. We are better on PPE (not really). A buddy and his family were tested yesterday in NYC. .... the reason, a Mt. Sinai doctor lives in his building and the building owner lives a few floors above my friend and she decided to get everyone in the building a test...... Good to live on the upper east side.....

as you have said a long time ago, many of the things that make our country unique leave us vulnerable to a pandemic like this.

throw in a dash of bungling leadership, from the top to the bottom, from political and health leaders alike, political divisions, freedoms we've come accustomed to, misinformation, information that's not known, and insert whatever other factors are also at play...

testing has grown about 200k per day for 3-4 months. between 600-700 per day i believe now. the ramp on that is about what i expected. the tests are far from perfect, maybe they'll get better. some states are doing a good job on tracing, others not. would love to see it avail for schools, but that may mean a factor many fold what it is now just for them.

can we have 10-20 x the tests avail in several months? of course not. we need more science. or luck.

[Typical Lax Dad]

i was speaking to that one specific issue. cuomo liked being a tv star for months. he was a full month after newsome and probably others in pulling the plug. he threatened funding. he got pressure and pushed back. he lied and said it was the nursing homes' fault. he denied what was actually going on. good chance they are covering up numbers now. any idiot (so politicians included) could have and would have changed course, and some did, after making such a monumental mistake and been made aware of it. he only did it at the end of a gun. bc admitting to a mistake before he "had" to was too much for pride.

connecticut and jersey had plenty of time to understand this as well and then were just shocked when nursing home deaths skyrocketed. florida shuttered nursing homes ftr in early-mid march. not hard. the info was out there. using the timeline on this one is not being honest.

btw, the metro area's transit policy was another grave error in my opinion. i've been willing to concede mistakes will be made in the beginning/middle of a pandemic, shortages of everything, put blame where you will. those 2 decisions on the ground i dont put in that category.
dumb, regrettable and avoidable.

Pride has done in plenty of people. We will see if, statistically, how much of a different it made. My guess is that it is going to be hard to measure.... may gravitate toward the national average for nursing home deaths if NY is under represented..... Poor decision...... learning curve...... If Coumo was on TV running his mouth like the guy in Washington, people would care so much......I didn't watch his daily TV show...... So here we are 7 months in, no coherent national policy. Testing situation no different that it was 7 months ago. We are better on PPE (not really). A buddy and his family were tested yesterday in NYC. .... the reason, a Mt. Sinai doctor lives in his building and the building owner lives a few floors above my friend and she decided to get everyone in the building a test...... Good to live on the upper east side.....

as you have said a long time ago, many of the things that make our country unique leave us vulnerable to a pandemic like this.

throw in a dash of bungling leadership, from the top to the bottom, from political and health leaders alike, political divisions, freedoms we've come accustomed to, misinformation, information that's not known, and insert whatever other factors are also at play...

testing has grown about 200k per day for 3-4 months. between 600-700 per day i believe now. the ramp on that is about what i expected. the tests are far from perfect, maybe they'll get better. some states are doing a good job on tracing, others not. would love to see it avail for schools, but that may mean a factor many fold what it is now just for them.

can we have 10-20 x the tests avail in several months? of course not. we need more science. or luck.

If Home Depot can open up, so can schools.... That is leadership.

[wgdsr]

as everyone is so fond of doing around here in predicting the actual vector of this virus or certain future actions... not to worry, schools will open up based on their circumstances. most in the country will do it by locale, some will be disallowed to by governor decree.

the commander is running his mouth.

[Typical Lax Dad]

as everyone is so fond of doing around here in predicting the actual vector of this virus or certain future actions... not to worry, schools will open up based on their circumstances. most in the country will do it by locale, some will be disallowed to by governor decree.

the commander is running his mouth.

I agree. Schools are going to open up based on local numbers. Trump may try to influence people’s thinking by withholding federal money where he can. Likely to lose in court but he can put pressure on schools. ( I am including colleges and universities). He will do anything to prop up the economy to help his re-election efforts. I wonder why other countries are faring better. Probably all just dump luck on the part of those other countries.

[kramerica.inc]

So you will NOT placing any blame on Gav or Cuomo for 52k dead.

Gotcha.

Like I said, I am sticking with my word. A death rate below 1% is a win. I won’t back off it.

Which numbers are you using?
At which time?
Let me know when you can proclaim a win for the right political side.

[Typical Lax Dad]

So you will NOT placing any blame on Gav or Cuomo for 52k dead.

Gotcha.

Like I said, I am sticking with my word. A death rate below 1% is a win. I won’t back off it.

Which numbers are you using?
At which time?
Let me know when you can proclaim a win for the right political side.

Deaths over total cases is what I believe we were taking about early on. However flu the death rate is calculated. The Coronavirus doesn’t distinguish political affiliation.

[kramerica.inc]

as everyone is so fond of doing around here in predicting the actual vector of this virus or certain future actions... not to worry, schools will open up based on their circumstances. most in the country will do it by locale, some will be disallowed to by governor decree.

the commander is running his mouth.

The biggest myth in the book is that Feds have ANY weight or control over schools.
They don't, never have. And they certainly won't under Devos and Trump.
Federal government is simply too big and unweildy. And there are too many moving parts that a large org just cant handle. It's why they leave it almost entirely to individual states and jurisdictions to do most of the work.
Where do you think most of school funding comes from? It's mostly state. It sure isn't the Feds. I covered education for the WaPo for 5 years. I saw it first hand. That 10-12% funding hammer isn't enough for most jurisdictions to really care what the Feds "mandate." No mater what it is. It's why NCLB and all the other fed programs never worked. Local jurisdictions, put just 10% of their effort meeting that requirement... based upon their 10% of funding send from the Feds.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Today according to the CDC

277,205 cases
6,593 deaths

.023% mortality

Thats excludes all Americans still untested that may have the disease. So .023 could be much less

At .023% mortality minimum 50 million Americans have to contract the disease to have 100,000 deaths from the virus.

3/22-3/25 cases doubled in 3 days

3/25-3/28 cases doubled in 3 days

3/28-4/2 cases doubled in 5 days

Number of cases today has to double 8 more times to get to 50 million cases.

You and everyone else missed that your math is wrong first and foremost. It's a 2.3% mortality rate from those numbers (6593 deaths / 277,205 cases * 100). 2018-2019 Flu is about 0.096% (34,157 deaths / 35,520,883 cases * 100)

If we had 50,000,000 cases we'd have 1.1 million deaths at a 2.3% or 0.023 death rate (50,000,000 cases * 0.023).

.023 is not to be confused with .023%

Less than 1% or (.01 which is not to be confused with .01%) using the above is where I drew the line. Deaths/case count.

[CU77]

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue.

This needs to be put in the context of overflowing hospitals and NO GUIDANCE FROM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT about the best practices in that situation, as well as huge shortages of PPE, huge shortages of covid testing ability, and NO NATIONAL SURGE ON PPE AND TESTING, NO NATIONAL PLAN for how to deal with hospital overflows.

This is the UNITED States of America. The states and their governors RELY ON THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT to provide crucial guidance and help in a situation like a pandemic of a new disease. That's been the deal for the past 200 years: NATIONAL problems require the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT TO
ACT AND ADVISE.

[CU77]

your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue.

This needs to be put in the context of overflowing hospitals and NO GUIDANCE FROM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT about the best practices in that situation, as well as huge shortages of PPE, huge shortages of covid testing ability, and NO NATIONAL SURGE ON PPE AND TESTING, NO NATIONAL PLAN for how to deal with hospital overflows.

This is the UNITED States of America. The states and their governors RELY ON THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT to provide crucial guidance and help in a situation like a pandemic of a new disease. That's been the deal for the past 200 years: NATIONAL problems require the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT TO ACT AND ADVISE.

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your and others' defense of cuomo (and several other governors who did the same) is nonsensical on this issue.
the fact that people have died in nursing homes across the country is not the issue.

the fact that some governors made it an actual law (or policy, depending) that nursing homes had to take back covid patients by threat of punishment, wouldn't allow them to test them for covid, didn't utilize facilities available to the states for the purpose of overcrowding but rather stuff them in nursing homes... for MONTHS plural until the media and political spotlight was too bright on them.... is the issue.

This needs to be put in the context of overflowing hospitals and NO GUIDANCE FROM THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT about the best practices in that situation, as well as huge shortages of PPE, huge shortages of covid testing ability, and NO NATIONAL SURGE ON PPE AND TESTING, NO NATIONAL PLAN for how to deal with hospital overflows.

This is the UNITED States of America. The states and their governors RELY ON THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT to provide crucial guidance and help in a situation like a pandemic of a new disease. That's been the deal for the past 200 years: NATIONAL problems require the NATIONAL GOVERNMENT TO
ACT AND ADVISE.

Trump is disrupting the way government works.