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Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:07 pm
by joewillie78
Hot off the presses top 25, as of March 26th:
1. UVA
2. Cornell
3. Duke
4. Maryland
5. Notre Dame
6. Villanova
7. John's Hopkins
8. Army
9. Jacksonville
10. Rutgers
11. North Carolina
12. Penn State
13. Boston University
14. Georgetown
15. Penn
16. Syracuse
17. Ohio State
18. Denver
19. Marquette
20. Princeton
21. Loyola
22. Delaware
23. Richmond
24. Dartmouth
25. Yale
Please be gentle.
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Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:11 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Was that before or after OSU just waxed Rutgers?
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:13 pm
by joewillie78
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:11 pm
Was that before or after OSU just waxed Rutgers?
Rutgers dropped to 10 after loss. Were 6 before that.
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Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:18 pm
by MoralTerpitude
So Duke seems to be a popular top-5 pick for alot of (most) media types. In some polls they’re even at #2 or #3. Do not understand them being ranked that high. They lost to Jax, and their only high-quality win is Loyola (and even that one is starting to lose some luster). They beat Penn by two goals, Denver in OT at home, and Syracuse in OT.
Perhaps they will be exposed this Friday… UVa has another historically good team, maybe that’s what it’ll take to overcome two decades of history.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:22 pm
by joewillie78
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:18 pm
So Duke seems to be a popular top-5 pick for alot of (most) media types. In some polls they’re even at #2 or #3. Do not understand them being ranked that high. They lost to Jax, and their only high-quality win is Loyola (and even that one is starting to lose some luster). They beat Penn by two goals, Denver in OT at home, and Syracuse in OT.
Perhaps they will be exposed this Friday… UVa has another historically good team, maybe that’s what it’ll take to overcome two decades of history.
Boy, I don't know , 9-1 and their only loss by 1 goal to my #9 team. That's a pretty good resume.
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Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:43 pm
by faircornell
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:18 pm
So Duke seems to be a popular top-5 pick for alot of (most) media types. In some polls they’re even at #2 or #3. Do not understand them being ranked that high. They lost to Jax, and their only high-quality win is Loyola (and even that one is starting to lose some luster). They beat Penn by two goals, Denver in OT at home, and Syracuse in OT.
Perhaps they will be exposed this Friday… UVa has another historically good team, maybe that’s what it’ll take to overcome two decades of history.
According to Lacrosse Reference, Duke and UVA are the two teams that are now "locks" for the NCAA tournament.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:51 pm
by MoralTerpitude
faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:43 pm
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:18 pm
So Duke seems to be a popular top-5 pick for alot of (most) media types. In some polls they’re even at #2 or #3. Do not understand them being ranked that high. They lost to Jax, and their only high-quality win is Loyola (and even that one is starting to lose some luster). They beat Penn by two goals, Denver in OT at home, and Syracuse in OT.
Perhaps they will be exposed this Friday… UVa has another historically good team, maybe that’s what it’ll take to overcome two decades of history.
According to Lacrosse Reference, Duke and UVA are the two teams that are now "locks" for the NCAA tournament.
Duke is certainly a very good team, and tournament-worthy. And Danowski always loads up in scheduling to pump up Duke’s RPI, so good for him for playing that game. But in terms of being one of the top two or three teams in the country… To me, UVa, Maryland, Notre Dame, and Cornell have separated themsleves to some degree, and have also played pretty tough schedules. There’s the threesome of games between the former three, and Cornell has played Penn State and Ohio State. Duke may be in that next tier, but before the Rutgers shocker, I would have said the Knights and Villanova have better resumes at this point.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:06 pm
by faircornell
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:51 pm
faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:43 pm
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:18 pm
So Duke seems to be a popular top-5 pick for alot of (most) media types. In some polls they’re even at #2 or #3. Do not understand them being ranked that high. They lost to Jax, and their only high-quality win is Loyola (and even that one is starting to lose some luster). They beat Penn by two goals, Denver in OT at home, and Syracuse in OT.
Perhaps they will be exposed this Friday… UVa has another historically good team, maybe that’s what it’ll take to overcome two decades of history.
According to Lacrosse Reference, Duke and UVA are the two teams that are now "locks" for the NCAA tournament.
Duke is certainly a very good team, and tournament-worthy. And Danowski always loads up in scheduling to pump up Duke’s RPI, so good for him for playing that game. But in terms of being one of the top two or three teams in the country… To me, UVa, Maryland, Notre Dame, and Cornell have separated themsleves to some degree, and have also played pretty tough schedules. There’s the threesome of games between the former three, and Cornell has played Penn State and Ohio State. Duke may be in that next tier, but before the Rutgers shocker, I would have said the Knights and Villanova have better resumes at this point.
Friday's Duke vs UVA game in Charlottesville should tell a lot. I have no dog in that fight. It's encouraging for me that you include Cornell in the top four or five teams. The Big Red still have a lot of wood to chop with (at least) Army, Princeton and the rest of the Ivy season/Tournament coming up.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:45 pm
by Bluecollar
My take:
1. UVA
2. Maryland
3. Duke
4. Cornell
5. Notre Dame
6. Villanova
7. Army
8. Jacksonville
9. Hop
10. Rutgers
11. Penn State
12. North Carolina
13. Boston University
14. Georgetown
15. Cuse
16. Ohio State
17. Penn
18. Denver
19. Marquette
20. Loyola
Re: My top 25
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:51 pm
by suitcase10
I don’t understand eye test Cornell over ND. ND has lopsided wins over teams ( osu, MI, Marquette ) that all have good wins themselves. And ND has a win over MD. Cornell resume looks different to me
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:25 am
by Kikin
Maryland is not the same team from the earlier part of the season. They show incredible growth (coaching) since the beginning of the season, therefore they are an ascending team which needs to be looked at when ranking the teams.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:34 am
by Farfromgeneva
Kikin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:25 am
Maryland is not the same team from the earlier part of the season. They show incredible growth (coaching) since the beginning of the season, therefore they are an ascending team which needs to be looked at when ranking the teams.
W respect to Loyola yes, Re: ND OT game it wasn’t that long ago.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:32 am
by stupefied
Good list
Based on eye, recency bias
Maryland
UVA
Cornell
Duke
ND
Nova
Army
UNC
PSU
Hop
Rutgers
Jax
Gtown
Denver
OSU
Penn
Boston U
Loyola
Cuse
Princeton
1st ten generally impress, 10-20 really don't, some not listed could alternate weekly with 15-20 grouping ie Del, Yale, St Joes and others
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:33 am
by stupefied
before being corrected, 11-20
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:36 am
by rolldodge
stupefied wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:32 am
Good list
Based on eye, recency bias
Maryland
UVA
Cornell
Duke
ND
Nova
Army
UNC
PSU
Hop
Rutgers
Jax
Gtown
Denver
OSU
Penn
Boston U
Loyola
Cuse
Princeton
1st ten generally impress, 10-20 really don't, some not listed could alternate weekly with 15-20 grouping ie Del, Yale, St Joes and others
I have Jacksonville over Gtown based on overall resume, but based on eye-test? Gtown averaging 16.25 gpg in their last 4 and Jacksonville just gave up 15 to .... Mercer.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:10 am
by stupefied
rolldodge wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:36 am
stupefied wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:32 am
Good list
Based on eye, recency bias
Maryland
UVA
Cornell
Duke
ND
Nova
Army
UNC
PSU
Hop
Rutgers
Jax
Gtown
Denver
OSU
Penn
Boston U
Loyola
Cuse
Princeton
1st ten generally impress, 10-20 really don't, some not listed could alternate weekly with 15-20 grouping ie Del, Yale, St Joes and others
I have Jacksonville over Gtown based on overall resume, but based on eye-test? Gtown averaging 16.25 gpg in their last 4 and Jacksonville just gave up 15 to .... Mercer.
Yes. I get your reasoning and agree that Jax is probably a few slots too high but im already given much benefit of doubt to GTown at #13 n their d giving up 15 to Lehigh raises questions again. As I posted 11-20 group doesn't impress and expect their order to rearrange weekly.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:10 pm
by MoralTerpitude
So funny enough, Foy has Duke at #1, then Maryland at #2, above both UVa and Notre Dame. Cornell seems to be everyone’s pick at #5.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:24 pm
by Laxter
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:10 pm
So funny enough, Foy has Duke at #1, then Maryland at #2, above both UVa and Notre Dame. Cornell seems to be everyone’s pick at #5.
Foy is basically just trolling UVa fans at this point. Good work if you can get it I guess. Tell us more about your West Virginia trip…
Re: My top 25
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:53 pm
by faircornell
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:10 pm
So funny enough, Foy has Duke at #1, then Maryland at #2, above both UVa and Notre Dame. Cornell seems to be everyone’s pick at #5.
That's a very fair ranking for Cornell at this point in the season. Baring a signifiant upset game (or unexpectedly lopsided) game within the Top Five, an Ivy Team has little evidence that it's better than a leading ACC or Big Ten team. If Cornell keeps the standard of play that they showed against Yale and Penn, some people might award them a higher ranking based on dominance of play and an "eye ball" assessment of Cornell's performance.
Re: My top 25
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:31 am
by stupefied
Cornell is most deserving of their rank .In finals last year and arguably better. IVY as whole has slipped but they haven't. No unbeatens, they were caught off guard early by PSU, a team most didn't see coming just as UMD did vs Loyola , Duke vs Jacksonville etc etc . On any given Sunday . BigRed are well rounded with few weaknesses and have leading candidates for Tewarrton and Schmeisser. There is a big five at least in play , not just four.