Re: Inside Lacrosse Top 50
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:02 pm
This always interested me. (this is not directed directly to you but your post sparked this incoherent string of consciousness) So denigrating a player isn't a personal attack. Saying a player have given up, is clumsy isn't a personal attack. These comments are directly attributed to a player with a name and number. These are definitely personal. Anyone who has ever stepped on the field and received some of these comments can not help but feel a little bit personally.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:22 pmWhatever the circumstances were, I don’t agree that people should be bullied or insulted because their opinion isn’t appreciated or is deemed slander or whatever. If they are and I read it—I will report it and let admin rule on what is insulting or deemed a personal attack.njbill wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:53 amRipping a player’s play on the field and calling her a quitter are two entirely different things. Maybe you don’t see the line there. I do. Some posters denigrate Jenner’s play. I don’t agree with those comments, but criticizing her play on the field is fair game.OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:51 am I recall a certain member who used to frequent these boards, completely ripping two players, who were playing at the time, and may still be, to such a degree that both their fathers got involved to defend their daughters. There were plenty of negative and slanderous comments made at the time. I don’t recall reading anybody standing up for either of these young women, although I could be wrong. I remember standing up for one of them. My point being, there have been instances of making character criticisms about players here in the past. I may have to go back and research it but if memory serves, I don’t remember reading any protests coming from you when these other players were slandered as to their character—which is fine. But I don’t agree with you insulting momlax to defend Jenner. One does not justify the other; or as they say in other circles—two wrongs don’t make a right. I think people have the right to express their opinions on this public forum without being bullied or intimidated or insulted. Disagreeing with momlax and engaging in a civil debate with her is one thing, but what you’re doing is something else. That’s just my two cents.
I don’t recall any defamatory remarks about players’ character.
How about if I called North a quitter? How about if I said she quit in the 4th quarter of the NC game? Or how about if I said she is a cheater, that her strength comes from her use of performance enhancing drugs? I haven’t said those things and wouldn’t. I absolutely don’t believe North is a quitter or a cheater or that she uses PEDs. I’m simply writing that to illustrate a point. If I said those things about North, however, you and CO would flip your lids. You’d come down on me like a ton of bricks. And rightly so.
Don’t get tripped up about “opinion.” First, as I said, mom stated these things as facts; there was no qualifying “IMO.” But more importantly, it doesn’t much matter. You’d feel pretty much the same way if I said North is a cheater or a quitter as you would if I said in my opinion she’s a quitter or a cheater.
You don’t like me “insulting” mom? Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. Defend her as you are doing. Posters get insulted all the time on this board. You insult them. I insult them. You have insulted me. I have insulted you. It’s inherent in participating in an online forum. You have even reported my posts to admin. Just yesterday you reported one of my posts. I think that was below the belt. You don’t. C’est la vie.
I don’t like mom calling Jenner a quitter. Has anyone on this board ever called another player a "quitter"? Not that I recall. First and foremost, she has absolutely no basis for doing so. And she is dead wrong as anyone with two functioning eyes (even one) could see.
Do you think Jenner “quit” in those two games? Or was she just perhaps outplayed for portions of the games? The latter may be a fair comment. The former is dirty pool. I believe the comment was driven by the fact that IL ranked mom’s daughter below Jenner. Classic case of sour grapes. That's my opinion.
Now you make an "attack" on an anonymous poster using a pseudoname, like I am, and that is personal? Why? I have no idea who that person is. We do not have a FanLax roster giving names, hometowns and stats. There is no FanLax bio telling us who your parents are. There is nothing "personal" about it inho. How anyone here takes anything personally is beyond me.
Seems to me if you are going to take anything here personally...don't post. You have that option. The players whom are critiqued or attacked or denigrated or what ever you want to call it do not have that option.
This site is created to speak about lacrosse and part of that is critiquing coaches, games and yet players. Don't for a minute think that some of those players don't read it and probably take it as a personal affront.
Am I pure in this regard? Probably not, I must have in my time here made some comment about a player that was less than kind I do not remember all my posts. So people can go ahead and post what they want, that is their call.....just save those crocodile tears when your anonymous pseudoname is maligned.