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runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:25 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:54 pm So Ilhan Omar is being accused of anti-Semitism for saying that U.S. pro-Israel advocates are pushing for “allegiance to a foreign country.” and “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.".

Sorry, but this is not anti-Semitic. The fact that politicians think it is, just makes Omar's point. She makes no statement referencing a race, a culture or an individual. She is criticizing a nation state that arguably deserves some criticism.

would possibly buy your hunk of junk nonsense......if she threw some criticism towards Palistine and some of their fun clubs. Hamas is good dip.

She is not being accused of supporting any of those organizations. She is being accused of making anti-Semitic statements in congress. -- which is nonsense.

Omar's anti-Israel Nativism will haunt democrats:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -democrats

In an era that rewards politicians for taboo-busting controversy, Omar’s pandering is understandable. In this sense, it’s not that different from the kind of venom spewed by President Donald Trump when it comes to immigrants, Latinos and Muslims. Like Trump, Omar claims she is a victim when she faces criticism, and that her words were willfully misunderstood.

It’s also true that criticism of the pro-Israel lobby is not in and of itself anti-Semitic. But it’s important to remember that this lobby is comprised of American citizens exercising their right to petition Congress. They are no more or less American than a member of Congress from Minneapolis.

Politically speaking, Omar’s main challenge is to her fellow Democrats. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has sought to promote her as an example of a party that represents America in all its diversity, posing with Omar and other female members of Congress for the cover of Rolling Stone. At the same time, Pelosi and other Democratic leaders have denounced Omar’s comments, and House members will vote Wednesday on a new resolution to condemn anti-Semitism. It’s unclear whether that resolution will denounce Omar by name, or whether Democrats will strip her of her seat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, as Republicans did when Representative Steve King’s white nationalism finally caught up with him.

This much, however, is clear: Democrats have to do more than demand another apology. If the party wants to make a credible case against a nativist president, it cannot look the other way at the nativism of its own members.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:34 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:25 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:54 pm So Ilhan Omar is being accused of anti-Semitism for saying that U.S. pro-Israel advocates are pushing for “allegiance to a foreign country.” and “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.".

Sorry, but this is not anti-Semitic. The fact that politicians think it is, just makes Omar's point. She makes no statement referencing a race, a culture or an individual. She is criticizing a nation state that arguably deserves some criticism.

would possibly buy your hunk of junk nonsense......if she threw some criticism towards Palistine and some of their fun clubs. Hamas is good dip.

She is not being accused of supporting any of those organizations. She is being accused of making anti-Semitic statements in congress. -- which is nonsense.

Nonsense according to you.

But considering the history and persecution of the Jewish people, particularly in Germany, Omar's comments were especially hurtful.

The Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling on her to hold a vote on a resolution rejecting what he said were Omar’s anti-Semitic statements.

“Accusing Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government has long been a vile anti-Semitic slur that has been used to harass, marginalize, and persecute the Jewish people for centuries," Greenblatt wrote. "Sometimes referred to as the 'dual loyalty' charge, it alleges that Jews should be suspected of being disloyal neighbors or citizens because their true allegiance is to their co-religionists around the world or to a secret and immoral Jewish agenda."

Read it all here:
https://www.adl.org/media/12606/download

This is one I was looking off, if this is what she said, I see nothing Semitic. How has she voted? What does she support?

“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it
is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

“I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve
my country in Congress or serve on committee.”

She represents one of the youngest districts in the county..which is a trend nationally. The R she beat was also a Somalia...she has lived the American Dream - refugee from a war torn country, waits it out in Kenya. Followed the rules, went to college, learned the language and became a citizen.

So far, she is a candle to Steve King's bonfire.

“Accusing Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government has long been a vile anti-Semitic slur that has been used to harass, marginalize, and persecute the Jewish people for centuries," Greenblatt wrote. "Sometimes referred to as the 'dual loyalty' charge, it alleges that Jews should be suspected of being disloyal neighbors or citizens because their true allegiance is to their co-religionists around the world or to a secret and immoral Jewish agenda."

I have no idea what he is talking about...have never heard of that form of anit=Semitism. Pretty much the rest of the letter was spot on, Semitism and racism are still very much an issue in the country.

I really don't like the fact that guys like Sheldon Adelson and his ilk have been able to buy US policy regarding Israel and the ME more broadly. I want to support Israel, but for very different reasons. We send them billions for guns and abortions and the Rs are okey dokey taking the pill away from poor women, while the SCOTUS says you can't end an unwanted pregnancy....all of this in the name of our Lord.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:29 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:34 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:25 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:54 pm So Ilhan Omar is being accused of anti-Semitism for saying that U.S. pro-Israel advocates are pushing for “allegiance to a foreign country.” and “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.".

Sorry, but this is not anti-Semitic. The fact that politicians think it is, just makes Omar's point. She makes no statement referencing a race, a culture or an individual. She is criticizing a nation state that arguably deserves some criticism.

would possibly buy your hunk of junk nonsense......if she threw some criticism towards Palistine and some of their fun clubs. Hamas is good dip.

She is not being accused of supporting any of those organizations. She is being accused of making anti-Semitic statements in congress. -- which is nonsense.

Nonsense according to you.

But considering the history and persecution of the Jewish people, particularly in Germany, Omar's comments were especially hurtful.

The Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling on her to hold a vote on a resolution rejecting what he said were Omar’s anti-Semitic statements.

“Accusing Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government has long been a vile anti-Semitic slur that has been used to harass, marginalize, and persecute the Jewish people for centuries," Greenblatt wrote. "Sometimes referred to as the 'dual loyalty' charge, it alleges that Jews should be suspected of being disloyal neighbors or citizens because their true allegiance is to their co-religionists around the world or to a secret and immoral Jewish agenda."

Read it all here:
https://www.adl.org/media/12606/download

Hurtful is not anti-Semitic. She wasn't accusing Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government. She was accusing those people who blindly support Israel of having an allegiance to a foreign government. The accusation a bit hyperbolic, but not anti-Semitic. Those who support Israel blindly are more Christian than Jewish. The Jews I know, and live with, and celebrate holidays with are not blind to what Israel is / has become.

The holocaust was a terrible event in our history. It should illicit sympathy from and be an object lesson for all. It however does not give second and third generation descendants the right to eternal victimhood status nor a pass in treating others as their ancestors have been treated.

...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 pm ...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

That would be a good question for your lacrosse coach. You should have asked him after the game. I am sure he has an opinion.

Omar is indeed a vicious anti-Semite. Some people have the audacity to conflate the event in Charlottesville, with her constant rants.

I do believe there was an event, (a concert perhaps), down in Charlottesville, Virginia, back in August 2017. According to some articles written by scribes of the "enemy of the people", there was a bit of a contretemps. According to the reportage, a group of peaceful marchers syncopated their steps by reciting an innocent mantra. To wit..."Jews will not replace us". Since when is marching anti-Semitic?

Those innocent marchers were viciously attacked by a well-funded (SOROS funded), well-armed group of zionist rabble-rousers.

Some hysterical liberals considered that chant, anti-Semitic! If that was true, the Chief Law enforcement officer of the USA would have condemned it in the strongest possible terms. He didn't. Therefore that chant couldn't be anti-Semitic. Hell, this is America. And the Sturm und Drang over that petty misdemeanor in Pittsburgh was another, leftist overreaction.

I've heard Charlottesville is a college town. I suspect those marching chaps were simply trying to find a music major who could set that phrase to music.

Typical, I just removed the adjective from your post above describing the lacrosse coach. What was that? Am i missing something?

Criticize Russian imperialism in Ukraine or Crimea and you are a Russophobe.

Criticize Iran or any other country in the Middle East and you are an Islamophobe.

Criticize any African country and you are a racist. Ditto for criticizing Asians or Latin Americans.



Let us all apply this same principle across the board on a uniform basis. Everyone agree?



Oh by the way, remember when right wing delusionals used to say that criticizing Bush because of his war was a sure sign of anti-American treason?

admin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:43 pm Typical, I just removed the adjective from your post above describing the lacrosse coach. What was that? Am i missing something?

Old history. Old Sugar inferred in the old LP days that these black people have thin skin and a word is just a word. Not necessarily pejorative.......Figured he could ask his coach. I'll take a flag. My sarcasm can be too much. He seems like a race man so I figured he could ask coach.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:58 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 pm ...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

That would be a good question for your lacrosse coach. You should have asked him after the game. I am sure he has an opinion.

I would bet the coach you're referring to is an honest person with an open mind, who would agree with OS's astute/ironic query

tech37 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:03 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:58 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 pm ...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

That would be a good question for your lacrosse coach. You should have asked him after the game. I am sure he has an opinion.

I would bet the coach you're referring to is an honest person with an open mind, who would agree with OS's astute/ironic query

Those that don’t aren’t honest and have a closed mind? That’s how you see it, Chester.

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 pm ...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

Both tragic, yet completely different.

From the posts I've read here it seems no one will be too upset that the Speaker of the House can't get democrats to vote on an anti-semitism bill. And all you intellectuals can rationalize it.

Love the one that says (paraphrasing) "who are these Jews three or four generations after the race was almost made extinct who have such thin skins"

And I guarantee hes a reparations supporter. You just know he is.

And theres this from the womens movement—is that another hajib?

https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah ... -semitism/

The controversy regarding a rookie congressperson's recent comments about JUDAISM and/or ZIONISM, (I ain't sure which topic is inciting such anger) is redolent of a comment made in 2015 by one of the 17 Republican candidates for the Presidency of the United States. That individual wanted to ban all Muslims from coming into America. He was a political novice, as is Ms. Omar.

Should both be given a pass for their naivete or condemned for saying something that may be considered insensitive and hateful

Sadly, religion, ethnicity, and country of origin continue to be flashpoints that will NEVER go away.

I highly recommend Sigmund Freud's "Civilization and It's Discontents". Both insightful and timely.

When historians get around to naming our era, it will be known as the Victim Age.

foreverlax wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:41 am

old salt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 pm ...are you referring to the holocaust or slavery ?

Both tragic, yet completely different.

Well put.

Unfortunately, there are those who willfully don't want to understand.

wahoomurf wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:54 am The controversy regarding a rookie congressperson's recent comments about JUDAISM and/or ZIONISM, (I ain't sure which topic is inciting such anger) is redolent of a comment made in 2015 by one of the 17 Republican candidates for the Presidency of the United States. That individual wanted to ban all Muslims from coming into America. He was a political novice, as is Ms. Omar.

Should both be given a pass for their naivete or condemned for saying something that may be considered insensitive and hateful

Sadly, religion, ethnicity, and country of origin continue to be flashpoints that will NEVER go away.

I highly recommend Sigmund Freud's "Civilization and It's Discontents". Both insightful and timely.

I think that republican you're referring to was interested in restricting immigration from war torn Muslim countries unable to document who a refugee was, where they were from or their political leanings. Only 5 countries. Of course thats not a reasonable precaution is it.