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TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 am So i hear scanlon is looking at SU, Maryland and Penn State.... Not the blue collar atmosphere you think he is looking for. IMO he is looking for a national championship and someone that an distribute to him. Spencer made him look very good this year and he may worry that he will struggle next year,

Those schools are probably all significantly more socioeconomically diverse than Loyola is. I haven't been on any of those campuses long enough to know for sure but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be. If he really didn't like the campus climate then basically any Big Ten or ACC school would probably offer something different. My money is still on Syracuse.

I think that bet on 'Cuse is solid. I hadn't considered PSU until now, and they don't seem far-fetched either. Neither school is run by Jesuits, and both coaches I believe fit the bill of whom Chase wants/needs as a mentor.

Come to think of it, Maryland fits the bill probably best of all three. Tillman is an upstate NY guy who can connect with kids like no one else imo, and Chase would get plenty of time there next year too. I just don't know if College Park is too much in the backyard of Loyola...could steer Chase closer to his home in upstate NY. And Penn State's weather is just as atrocious as upsate NY, so that would make Chase feel at home.

That being said, if he had wanted a national championship, he should have stayed right where he was.

Lets look at the schools he narrowed down to according to LSN from a personnel perspective. Throw in other factors too if you want.

Cornell: Visiting the Cornell Indigenous Studies Program today. Teat as the incumbent attackman, Scanlan can probably start at the midfield.

Syracuse: Extremely deep in the midfield but scanlan can be the person to replace Voight who just graduated

Maryland: Tillman is from upstate NY, has NY connections, recruits from there. Can probably connect with Scanlan

Penn State: Will he see time here as virtually the entire team returns

Hopkins: Hopkins could sure use a dodger

Virginia: Scanlan replaces Conrad. Shollenburger comes in. Top team in talent. Literally just won a ring.

WHich among these schools are "Blue Collar"???? IMO, cornell hopkins and UVA are not

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 am

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 am So i hear scanlon is looking at SU, Maryland and Penn State.... Not the blue collar atmosphere you think he is looking for. IMO he is looking for a national championship and someone that an distribute to him. Spencer made him look very good this year and he may worry that he will struggle next year,

Those schools are probably all significantly more socioeconomically diverse than Loyola is. I haven't been on any of those campuses long enough to know for sure but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be. If he really didn't like the campus climate then basically any Big Ten or ACC school would probably offer something different. My money is still on Syracuse.

I think that bet on 'Cuse is solid. I hadn't considered PSU until now, and they don't seem far-fetched either. Neither school is run by Jesuits, and both coaches I believe fit the bill of whom Chase wants/needs as a mentor.

Come to think of it, Maryland fits the bill probably best of all three. Tillman is an upstate NY guy who can connect with kids like no one else imo, and Chase would get plenty of time there next year too. I just don't know if College Park is too much in the backyard of Loyola...could steer Chase closer to his home in upstate NY. And Penn State's weather is just as atrocious as upsate NY, so that would make Chase feel at home.

That being said, if he had wanted a national championship, he should have stayed right where he was.

PB if only i was as confident in the team and life and my cpa studies as you are. Because i really don't see much success for next year despite you and others' positive takes. Then again, i can be proven wrong and i will happily be proven wrong when next season comes along. We lost SO many pieces, and we don't even know if the pieces returning or the guys coming in can help rectify the losses.

houndace1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:15 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 am

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 am So i hear scanlon is looking at SU, Maryland and Penn State.... Not the blue collar atmosphere you think he is looking for. IMO he is looking for a national championship and someone that an distribute to him. Spencer made him look very good this year and he may worry that he will struggle next year,

Those schools are probably all significantly more socioeconomically diverse than Loyola is. I haven't been on any of those campuses long enough to know for sure but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be. If he really didn't like the campus climate then basically any Big Ten or ACC school would probably offer something different. My money is still on Syracuse.

I think that bet on 'Cuse is solid. I hadn't considered PSU until now, and they don't seem far-fetched either. Neither school is run by Jesuits, and both coaches I believe fit the bill of whom Chase wants/needs as a mentor.

Come to think of it, Maryland fits the bill probably best of all three. Tillman is an upstate NY guy who can connect with kids like no one else imo, and Chase would get plenty of time there next year too. I just don't know if College Park is too much in the backyard of Loyola...could steer Chase closer to his home in upstate NY. And Penn State's weather is just as atrocious as upsate NY, so that would make Chase feel at home.

That being said, if he had wanted a national championship, he should have stayed right where he was.

PB if only i was as confident in the team and life and my cpa studies as you are. Because i really don't see much success for next year despite you and others' positive takes. Then again, i can be proven wrong and i will happily be proven wrong when next season comes along. We lost SO many pieces, and we don't even know if the pieces returning or the guys coming in can help rectify the losses.

The Hounds will do great in 2020. We may have a few bumps coming out of the gate, but by year end, I think you will be cheering for a team on its way to the Final Four.

1. This incoming freshman class is very solid where we need it...

2. People seem to have skipped over Lindley as a big time player, because he was in Pat's shadow for two years. Watch what he does next year. And Olmstead obviously.

3. FOGO position is a wealth of talent. We will clip 60% and more.

4. The PL is not as strong next year as it was this last season. Our road to advance is much smoother than it has been (I see Bucknell as our biggest challenge, and please don't underestimate the Bisons. But we have them at home!)

5. LSM and FOGO wings are superlative. McNulty will be crushing it all season.

6. Defense is top-3 in the country. This is a shutdown defense; we have not had that in a while.

Our one ?? is at goalie. There, I don't know the answer. I know there are two candidates to start and play.

I think graduating Spencer will be similar to Albany losing Fields to graduation. Spencer probably should have won multiple Tewaaraton's, and Fields's injury last year put a damper on what would have been an equally great career. I'm not predicting a huge drop off for the Hounds, but it is hard to quantify just how impactful guys like Pat and Connor on in terms of lifting everyone's play and dominating the attention of an opposing defense.

I just don't see how Loyola can be anywhere near as productive without Spencer driving and dishing, and throw Scanlon on top of that.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:30 pm

houndace1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:15 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:46 am

TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:03 am So i hear scanlon is looking at SU, Maryland and Penn State.... Not the blue collar atmosphere you think he is looking for. IMO he is looking for a national championship and someone that an distribute to him. Spencer made him look very good this year and he may worry that he will struggle next year,

Those schools are probably all significantly more socioeconomically diverse than Loyola is. I haven't been on any of those campuses long enough to know for sure but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be. If he really didn't like the campus climate then basically any Big Ten or ACC school would probably offer something different. My money is still on Syracuse.

I think that bet on 'Cuse is solid. I hadn't considered PSU until now, and they don't seem far-fetched either. Neither school is run by Jesuits, and both coaches I believe fit the bill of whom Chase wants/needs as a mentor.

Come to think of it, Maryland fits the bill probably best of all three. Tillman is an upstate NY guy who can connect with kids like no one else imo, and Chase would get plenty of time there next year too. I just don't know if College Park is too much in the backyard of Loyola...could steer Chase closer to his home in upstate NY. And Penn State's weather is just as atrocious as upsate NY, so that would make Chase feel at home.

That being said, if he had wanted a national championship, he should have stayed right where he was.

PB if only i was as confident in the team and life and my cpa studies as you are. Because i really don't see much success for next year despite you and others' positive takes. Then again, i can be proven wrong and i will happily be proven wrong when next season comes along. We lost SO many pieces, and we don't even know if the pieces returning or the guys coming in can help rectify the losses.

The Hounds will do great in 2020. We may have a few bumps coming out of the gate, but by year end, I think you will be cheering for a team on its way to the Final Four.

1. This incoming freshman class is very solid where we need it...

2. People seem to have skipped over Lindley as a big time player, because he was in Pat's shadow for two years. Watch what he does next year. And Olmstead obviously.

3. FOGO position is a wealth of talent. We will clip 60% and more.

4. The PL is not as strong next year as it was this last season. Our road to advance is much smoother than it has been (I see Bucknell as our biggest challenge, and please don't underestimate the Bisons. But we have them at home!)

5. LSM and FOGO wings are superlative. McNulty will be crushing it all season.

6. Defense is top-3 in the country. This is a shutdown defense; we have not had that in a while.

Our one ?? is at goalie. There, I don't know the answer. I know there are two candidates to start and play.

If only the pundits at IL/RR/USlax show the team as much love as you do.

What if these predictions don't pan out

DaneFan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:46 pm I think graduating Spencer will be similar to Albany losing Fields to graduation. Spencer probably should have won multiple Tewaaraton's, and Fields's injury last year put a damper on what would have been an equally great career. I'm not predicting a huge drop off for the Hounds, but it is hard to quantify just how impactful guys like Pat and Connor on in terms of lifting everyone's play and dominating the attention of an opposing defense.

I just don't see how Loyola can be anywhere near as productive without Spencer driving and dishing, and throw Scanlon on top of that.

Big difference being Toomey will do things to play to the strengths of who he has while it feels like Marr is just rolling out the same strategy every week and letting his guys go at it. When you have Thompson or Fields that way is great but when you don't you've got issues. I wouldn't expect Loyola to fall off the same way in conference at the very least.

you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

+1

Scanlan's departure is not the loss many think. If anyone really benefited from Pat, it was Chase. Olmstead and Lindley are phenomenal players and you will see both markedly up their games next year.

Our FO's ar going to significantly improve next year. If you don't follow the Hounds, you would not know last season's trendline (Bailey literally improved his #'s in the final 6 games by 10 points over the top FOGO's in the nation not called TD Ierlan), nor the incoming talent we are getting.

I also don't believe that non-followers would understand the talent on our defense. Literally, top-3 in the nation next year. You will see.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:43 pm

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

+1

Scanlan's departure is not the loss many think. If anyone really benefited from Pat, it was Chase. Olmstead and Lindley are phenomenal players and you will see both markedly up their games next year.

Our FO's ar going to significantly improve next year. If you don't follow the Hounds, you would not know last season's trendline (Bailey literally improved his #'s in the final 6 games by 10 points over the top FOGO's in the nation not called TD Ierlan), nor the incoming talent we are getting.

I also don't believe that non-followers would understand the talent on our defense. Literally, top-3 in the nation next year. You will see.

Except this defense where 5 of the 6 starters were all rookies, got LIT up by teams that had good offenses i.e, BU, Hopkins, Georgetown, heck even Holy Cross (who has big upside imo) put up 15, lastly PSU. The opening UVA game should've been closer IMO- Their guys missed about 4 dunks that hit pipe but should've went in, and about 2-3 that Stover absolutely stole.

Will one year of full time game experience really show that much improvement? Can the 5 of the 6 guys coming back (who knows about Volante if hes coming back for a grad year) really improve and lock down? Yeah we have depth at the positions but depth doesn't always mean talent to get results on the field. There are teams who had multiple defenseman with year(s) of experience return, only to get trounced on. Most recent example would be Hopkins from 2018 to 2019.

I just don't see it, maybe i'm being truly pessimistic about the team and their personnel, and the recruits but i really don't see a successful year like the ones we've had the last 4 with at least 10 wins. Of the 14 games in the regular season, i can see us going maybe 5-3 in PL play, and 3-3 in the non con.

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

actually, he didn't. not even close. he had more than twice as many points as turnovers.
and he had nearly 60 points. out of the midfield. as a freshman.
of course loyola has "talent". all good schools do. what they don't have is a wealth of guys who have done it at the level that loyola plays at. yet. so it's an unknown.

trying to think, maybe someone has some folks in mind i can't remember... who (besides handley @ penn this year) has posted more than scanlon's 58 points as a freshman midfielder in division 1? anyone? 5 guys? anyone more than 43 goals ever?

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

That is quite an overstatement you make about Scanlon's turnovers and their impact on the game. He had 26 turnovers (1.5 per game- not a lot for a freshman who was on the field for nearly every offensive possession - and didn't come close to leading the team in that category) while accumulating 58 points in his freshman season. So no, he did not have as many turnovers as he did points. Neither can you prove that those turnovers led to substantial points against. You might want to take a look at others on the team who had 16 and 17 turnovers on the season and did not touch the ball as much or come close to contributing on the same level of Scanlon. Sounds like sour grapes about him leaving. No need to diminish his contributions to the team. Just let it go.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:43 pm

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

+1
Scanlan's departure is not the loss many think. If anyone really benefited from Pat, it was Chase. Olmstead and Lindley are phenomenal players and you will see both markedly up their games next year.

Our FO's ar going to significantly improve next year. If you don't follow the Hounds, you would not know last season's trendline (Bailey literally improved his #'s in the final 6 games by 10 points over the top FOGO's in the nation not called TD Ierlan), nor the incoming talent we are getting.

I also don't believe that non-followers would understand the talent on our defense. Literally, top-3 in the nation next year. You will see.

i don't follow them like yourself --- but i watched them quite a bit and know most of the guys that play on the field as well as any outsider maybe.
you keep making this point about faceoffs --- is this correct, you are referring to the final 6 games? where 3 of them were against west point and lafayette?

You're being wayyyyyyyyyyy too pessimistic.

Charley has a squad next year that most coaches would die for. Btw, the last 'bad' season we had was 2015, BP ('before pat'). 7-8. Know what the goal differential was in those 8 losses total? 19 goals! 6 games were 1-goal losses.

Next year the PL will be down versus this year. Our defense, as you will see, is a lockdown defense, and Wyers will be our breakout star there. If Volante returns, then yes, 6 of 6 come back.

So far as FOGO goes, again I think we are all overlooking the trend of Bailey's progression last season, which is a far better way to look at how he will do in 2020. Further, next year we have two backups if not starters at this role, whereas this year we had Bailey and that was it. I mean literally, I think for the whole season only 5 FO's weer taken by someone not called Bailey Savio.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:21 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:43 pm

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

+1
Scanlan's departure is not the loss many think. If anyone really benefited from Pat, it was Chase. Olmstead and Lindley are phenomenal players and you will see both markedly up their games next year.

Our FO's ar going to significantly improve next year. If you don't follow the Hounds, you would not know last season's trendline (Bailey literally improved his #'s in the final 6 games by 10 points over the top FOGO's in the nation not called TD Ierlan), nor the incoming talent we are getting.

I also don't believe that non-followers would understand the talent on our defense. Literally, top-3 in the nation next year. You will see.

i don't follow them like yourself --- but i watched them quite a bit and know most of the guys that play on the field as well as any outsider maybe.
you keep making this point about faceoffs --- is this correct, you are referring to the final 6 games? where 3 of them were against west point and lafayette?

Starting with Lehigh, which had the 3rd best FOGO in the nation in Gaffney. I think Bailey won 16 and lost 11? before that game, I think Bailey was trending at 45%? My numbers are not perfect, but something like that.

The other game that stands out is PSU, where we lost the battle 22-16 on FO'/s, but against Arceri, #4 (?) in the country.

Bailey ended up at .525, but was so much lower prior to Lehigh. Every game from Lehigh on, he did great. The trend was around 60% net.

For next year, we have Cottone and Pacheco coming in. I have been beating on this board about Pacheco...I am telling you, he could be a starting FOGO on many D1 teams. But I think Charley will use him for O-mid instead.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:49 pm You're being wayyyyyyyyyyy too pessimistic.

Charley has a squad next year that most coaches would die for. Btw, the last 'bad' season we had was 2015, BP ('before pat'). 7-8. Know what the goal differential was in those 8 losses total? 19 goals! 6 games were 1-goal losses.

Next year the PL will be down versus this year. Our defense, as you will see, is a lockdown defense, and Wyers will be our breakout star there. If Volante returns, then yes, 6 of 6 come back.

So far as FOGO goes, again I think we are all overlooking the trend of Bailey's progression last season, which is a far better way to look at how he will do in 2020. Further, next year we have two backups if not starters at this role, whereas this year we had Bailey and that was it. I mean literally, I think for the whole season only 5 FO's weer taken by someone not called Bailey Savio.

I assume this is meant for me, if it is, then no harm done.

2015, my freshman year was hard to watch. Ranked preseason #7, lost by a goal to UVA (isn't that surprising given the regular season history), got blown out by Colgate, lost to HC in a blizzard, lost to Duke, lost to Maryland by 1 (surprisingly that was our best game). lost to Army. I'm digressing.

I think its because we didnt have a guy to beat defenders or draw slides. Pontrello was a finisher. Sirico was supposed to be a QB. We had virtually a veteran defense that year too since we went kinda young in '16.

By the way, sorry to beat a dead season, horse, and topic, but if you took away one game, Towson's Woodall against Bailey, where Woodall seemingly won every FO like 20-4 or something like that, Bailey's #'s would be significantly better. He even beat the Holy Cross FOGO.

Henpecked wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:14 pm

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

That is quite an overstatement you make about Scanlon's turnovers and their impact on the game. He had 26 turnovers (1.5 per game- not a lot for a freshman who was on the field for nearly every offensive possession - and didn't come close to leading the team in that category) while accumulating 58 points in his freshman season. So no, he did not have as many turnovers as he did points. Neither can you prove that those turnovers led to substantial points against. You might want to take a look at others on the team who had 16 and 17 turnovers on the season and did not touch the ball as much or come close to contributing on the same level of Scanlon. Sounds like sour grapes about him leaving. No need to diminish his contributions to the team. Just let it go.

I would include poor shot selections also as turnovers... Not sour grapes i believe the team will be better off. He gives some lame excuse about blue collar and he is looking at cornell and hopkins, come on... i would bet it has to more with his academics and not blue collar. Dont belittle the program because you do not want to be there.

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:09 pm

Henpecked wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:14 pm

Hounds01 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:24 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:08 pm you've got to give pb credit, he is high on their chances and will back his horse!

they lose duffy also. that is just a tremendous chunk of offense between the 3 of them, and outside of 2 guys, it's questionmarks. and @ least one of those guys (really both) were benficiaries of working with spencer in last year's offense. no doubt a different system will emerge, and loyola has done fine over the years in dealing with losing productive players. but that is a grand canyon size hole.

their faceoffs -- at this point --- look serviceable. maybe it'll be better next year, maybe not.

the defense seemed to let good offenses get their points. in the finale, to witness spencer try to keep up with penn state for 3 quarters was pretty cool. he just couldn't, as the d was never able to get stops. and now a top-flight goalie is gone.

in virginia's last game last year, they looked similar. and defense had not been a hallmark for a while. they played much better in 2019 on that end for the most part. so it's spring training --- everyone has a chance!

Loyola has talent to fill the vacancies, there are couple strong soph middies, along with the jrs and srs. The loss of scanlon hurts, but if you followed the hounds last year scanlon probably had as many turnovers as he did points and those turnovers turned to points against. With a solid D, a new goalie will be able to learn as he grows.

That is quite an overstatement you make about Scanlon's turnovers and their impact on the game. He had 26 turnovers (1.5 per game- not a lot for a freshman who was on the field for nearly every offensive possession - and didn't come close to leading the team in that category) while accumulating 58 points in his freshman season. So no, he did not have as many turnovers as he did points. Neither can you prove that those turnovers led to substantial points against. You might want to take a look at others on the team who had 16 and 17 turnovers on the season and did not touch the ball as much or come close to contributing on the same level of Scanlon. Sounds like sour grapes about him leaving. No need to diminish his contributions to the team. Just let it go.

I would include poor shot selections also as turnovers... Not sour grapes i believe the team will be better off. He gives some lame excuse about blue collar and he is looking at cornell and hopkins, come on... i would bet it has to more with his academics and not blue collar. Dont belittle the program because you do not want to be there.

While i wouldn't call it poor, i would say some shots were questionable. A lot of his takes were on that right wing with very very little angle to shoot. It either resulted in a high to low that was either stick side low at the legs, or stick side high that would ring off the cross bar.

Regardless, a very good player and will be sorely missed in terms of production.

and well, little negativety incoming for my school, but a loyola name and degree pales in comparison to one of cornell, hopkins, virginia