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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:27 pm
by jhu72
… speaking of pediatrics, my wife has been leading a team of 4 doing phone based monitoring of infected children throughout Maryland, DC and NoVa. They monitor from time of initial diagnosis through final resolution. Not many deaths. Not many white children either in the cohort. The case load is about 25% of what it was a month ago and continues to decline to the point that in a week or so they are likely to cut the team to a single individual. When they started this, 4 people working 12 - 15 hours per day every day. Now they are down to 3 - 4 hours a day while handling other duties as well.

Very few white kids were infected, way below the patient membership statistics. Very frequently one or both parents were infected at the same time.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:42 pm
by wgdsr
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 pm
CU77 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:24 pm
Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale

Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage

Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
...
Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/busi ... virus.html
Sweden has hero nation status on Faux News. Saw some cardiologist on Faux News explaining how Sweden got it right. He is convinced herd immunity is already in operation and is saving us. Moron doesn't take note of the climbing infection rates obviously, nor increasing hospitalization and ICU rates. I loved when he claimed, no evidence, the current problems in the SW came out of Mexico. Ya think he sucks much Trump dick? :lol:
reminder, we're about 3 1/2 to 4 months in. economic predictions seem to be a fool's errand in 2020.
we'll see where deaths and excess deaths finish the year.
meantime, good news for sweden (and maybe us) is however it's come about, deaths have continued to trail downward significantly.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:51 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
6ftstick wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 pm American academy of pediatrics urges OPEN SCHOOLS.
I hope schools open. I can see it in those communities where the virus is under control. Where it is out of control, I don't see how it will happen.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:54 pm
by CU77
6ftstick wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 pm American academy of pediatrics urges OPEN SCHOOLS.
And 6ft ALWAYS believes the experts! :lol:

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:01 pm
by jhu72

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:56 pm
by wgdsr
pretty ridiculous how this virus has been handled at nursing homes, va hospitals.
doctors and admins not having a clue how to treat patients, take precautions. same with the nurses complaining, but lining up healthy with sick @ dinner. approvals discarded. not much (no?) mention of pa state governor orders to force covid patients back into these facilities, they must have friends in high places.
cluster.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:45 pm
by wgdsr
ggait wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:16 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:45 am
Matnum PI wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:39 am Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro Tests Positive For Coronavirus

Bolsonaro follows Trump's lead over and over and said he wouldn't get the virus due to his "athletic background as a boy".
taking the hcq, will be a referendum on that if he makes it thru. along with being athletic as a boy.
Jair -- make sure to take some AZ and Vitamin D along with your HCQ!
https://mobile.twitter.com/VanessaNacam ... 3747137538
dosing the hcq.

LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:12 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:45 pm
ggait wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:16 pm
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:45 am
Matnum PI wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:39 am Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro Tests Positive For Coronavirus

Bolsonaro follows Trump's lead over and over and said he wouldn't get the virus due to his "athletic background as a boy".
taking the hcq, will be a referendum on that if he makes it thru. along with being athletic as a boy.
Jair -- make sure to take some AZ and Vitamin D along with your HCQ!
https://mobile.twitter.com/VanessaNacam ... 3747137538
dosing the hcq.

LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!
Hopefully he doesn’t catch a bad case.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:33 pm
by jhu72

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:49 pm
by Bart
Interesting stuff. Thanks. Makes sense to me you don’t want to put the brakes on early in the progression. Hopefully this is just another step in figuring out a successful course of action to beat this thing.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:41 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Don’t know if this is better served in another thread but anyone notice we pulled out of the WHO today? (And I don’t think that should be thought of as a rhythm method)


The U.S. has formally notified the World Health Organization it will withdraw from the United Nations agency over President Trump’s criticism of its ties to China, a move critics say will hamper the international fight against the Covid-19 pandemic and sap the U.S. of global influence.

The U.S. State Department sent notice to the U.N. on July 6 it would end its 72-year-old membership in the WHO. “The President has been clear that the WHO needs to get its act together,” a department spokesman said. “That starts with demonstrating significant progress and the ability to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease outbreaks with transparency and accountability.”

The exit won’t take effect until next July, leaving it contingent on Mr. Trump’s re-election. His rival for the White House, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, said Tuesday the U.S. would remain a member if he wins.


The president says the WHO, the U.N.’s chief global health institution, is under China’s sway and has failed to respond adequately to the coronavirus pandemic. He has said the U.S. would redirect the funds it currently sends the WHO to other “deserving, urgent global public-health needs” because the agency failed to make reforms the U.S. had requested.

“They’re a puppet of China,” Mr. Trump said in May at the White House. “They give us a lot of bad advice.”

The notice of withdrawal came as WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned Tuesday that the “outbreak is clearly accelerating and we haven’t reached the peak.” The organization noted that more than 400,000 new cases of coronavirus had been recorded globally over the past weekend, a number that had taken 12 weeks to reach at the beginning of the outbreak.

The U.S. death toll topped 130,000 as of Tuesday. The country has 39.72 deaths per 100,000 residents, which places it among the top 10 countries in the world in that metric, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

On Tuesday, public health officials, legal scholars and members of Congress from both parties condemned the move, arguing that during the Covid-19 crisis it would cost lives, hinder U.S. access to the global system for sharing outbreak data and vaccine research, and give China more sway over the U.N.

“Certainly there needs to be a good, hard look at mistakes the World Health Organization might have made in connection with coronavirus, but the time to do that is after the crisis has been dealt with, not in the middle of it,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.), chairman of the Senate health committee.


In a statement released on Twitter, Mr. Biden said, “Americans are safer when America is engaged in strengthening global health. On my first day as President, I will rejoin the WHO and restore our leadership on the world stage.”

Rep. James Comer (R., Ky.), ranking member of the House oversight committee, supported the Trump administration’s decision. “China lied, the WHO complied, and Americans died,” he said in a statement.
The U.S. withdrawal would be a seismic event for the global public health regime and for America’s position within the multilateral world order. The U.S. is the single largest donor to the WHO, giving about $450 million a year, much of it earmarked for specific diseases such as polio, which has nearly been eradicated.

A U.S. exit would eliminate that funding going forward and leave the WHO more dependent on private donors, such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, its second-largest contributor. It would accelerate a shift in which global health increasingly relies on a handful of billionaire donors and charities, with national governments reluctant to offer more taxpayer funds, public health experts have said.


The withdrawal would also reinforce a sense among Western leaders that the U.S. is retreating from the U.N. system while China grows in influence. Authorities in France, Japan, and Australia shared Mr. Trump’s frustration that the WHO was too quick to praise China in the early weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic, and in May more than 150 governments backed a proposal to audit the agency’s perceived failures.

Since April, Mr. Trump has sharply criticized the WHO, whose senior officials commended China’s draconian and ultimately effective measures to quash the virus. Mr. Trump has accused the agency of helping China conceal the spread of the respiratory disease in its early weeks. The WHO—a small agency with few inspection powers—says it relies on national governments such as China’s to accurately report outbreaks. The WHO says it made the information coming out of China available to Washington and to the many U.S. government employees posted to the Geneva-based U.N. agency.

“We sounded the alarm early and we sounded it often,” Dr. Tedros has said.

The WHO said it was aware of the announcement. “We have no further information on this at this stage,” said spokesman Tarik Jasarevic.

The WHO’s founding documents contain no provision for countries to leave the agency, because its founders didn’t anticipate any country would want to. No government has ever left.

The 1948 act of Congress that authorized U.S. membership in the WHO required the country to give notice one year in advance of its intent to withdraw. Meanwhile, U.S. government employees continue to work at the WHO’s headquarters in Switzerland.
The effort to quit the WHO could be open to a legal or congressional challenge, said Harold Koh, a professor at Yale Law School who specializes in international law.

The U.S. also would have to pay any outstanding financial obligations, under the 1948 congressional act. U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres is assessing American compliance, his spokesman Stephane Dujarric said.

The formal announcement moves the Trump administration one step closer to its goal of creating an alternative global health structure outside the boundaries of the U.N. system. Administration officials have floated the idea of creating an office within the State Department tasked with responding to pandemics. Previously, a similar office was situated in the National Security Council until it was disbanded in 2018. The State Department didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 pm
by CU77
Time to check in with the Sunshine State:
Some nurses at Good Samaritan Medical Center in West Palm Beach have been working 18 hours instead of the usual 12 because of overnight staffing shortages, according to a nurse who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of jeopardizing her job. Patients are being treated in an open area cordoned off by curtains that is typically used for quick medical consultations, she said.

“We’re overfilled and understaffed,” she said. “It’s really bad.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Man, I just can't stand these lying Democrat nurses with TDS! :roll:

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:47 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
CU77 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 pm Time to check in with the Sunshine State:
Some nurses at Good Samaritan Medical Center in West Palm Beach have been working 18 hours instead of the usual 12 because of overnight staffing shortages, according to a nurse who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of jeopardizing her job. Patients are being treated in an open area cordoned off by curtains that is typically used for quick medical consultations, she said.

“We’re overfilled and understaffed,” she said. “It’s really bad.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

Man, I just can't stand these lying Democrat nurses with TDS! :roll:
Trying to make DeSantis look bad

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:17 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:38 pm
by wgdsr
i doubt the writer feels dirty at all about the headline.

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:46 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:38 pm
i doubt the writer feels dirty at all about the headline.
It’s a sad story. That young girl has not had it easy. Just poor decisions by the adults. Really sad.... the HCL has nothing to do with her death.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:53 pm
by DocBarrister
Covid-19 killed that poor girl, but ...

... her parents and that church were reckless and negligent. They clearly contributed to her tragic death.

DocBarrister :?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 am
by Typical Lax Dad
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:53 pm
Covid-19 killed that poor girl, but ...

... her parents and that church were reckless and negligent. They clearly contributed to her tragic death.

DocBarrister :?
My next door neighbor’s son has Down Syndrome. He is in his early 30’s. Everyone in the town looks out for him. It would be really sad if wreck-less adults ended his life. This is a new virus against which humans have no immunity. It has killed over 1/2 a million people so far. It’s going to kill more. Find a host and replicate. That’s all it does. People need to wake up.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:07 am
by DocBarrister
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 am
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:53 pm
Covid-19 killed that poor girl, but ...

... her parents and that church were reckless and negligent. They clearly contributed to her tragic death.

DocBarrister :?
My next door neighbor’s son has Down Syndrome. He is in his early 30’s. Everyone in the town looks out for him. It would be really sad if wreck-less adults ended his life. This is a new virus against which humans have no immunity. It has killed over 1/2 a million people so far. It’s going to kill more. Find a host and replicate. That’s all it does. People need to wake up.
Agreed. We all have a special duty to protect children.

Which makes Trump’s insistence that all schools open such a disturbing escalation of his callousness and indifference.

We all knew he didn’t care about immigrant children.

Now we know Trump doesn’t care for American children either.

DocBarrister :?

Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:21 am
by CU88
New coronavirus cases yesterday

Italy: 208
U.S.: 46,727