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seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:15 pm That would be silly considering I have disagreed with the idea of impeachment from the start...wouldn't it?

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:26 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

Indeed.

Also, always be respectful of Dems and their prudent use of taxpayer dollars to satisfy juvenile partisan empty stomachs: ‘we won’t convict him but we’ll be happy anyway that history will have recorded this scrote for...’.

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:26 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

Indeed.

Also, always be respectful of Dems and their prudent use of taxpayer dollars to satisfy juvenile partisan empty stomachs: ‘we won’t convict him but we’ll be happy anyway that history will have recorded this scrote for...’.

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

A feckless comment, made by someone who has already agreed that using the levers of state for personal gain is all about what he admires in a President. I see Pete has followed on with his own silliness. You both just don't understand what you are complying with, what you're agreeing to, and what you are casting aside -- all for the Big Red R. Numbskulls.

Preemptive? Don't be a pumpkinhead (or, as I've suggested in the past, at least consult Randy before you post your silliness). The fix has always been in; McConnell toadied up to Hannity -- the Altar of the Craven and Venal -- on December 12.

This is the core of the President's team's defense of the obstruction charge:

“The subpoenas weren’t authorized because there was no vote or the subpoenas were to senior advisers to the president who are immune from congressional compulsion, or the subpoenas were forcing executive branch officials to testify without the presence of agency counsel.”

Let me say it again (warning: a couple of big words): "immune from congressional compulsion." L'Etat, C'est Orange? You guys are deranged, or just dumb.

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:28 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

A feckless comment, made by someone who has already agreed that using the levers of state for personal gain is all about what he admires in a President. I see Pete has followed on with his own silliness. You both just don't understand what you are complying with, what you're agreeing to, and what you are casting aside -- all for the Big Red R. Numbskulls.

Preemptive? Don't be a pumpkinhead (or, as I've suggested in the past, at least consult Randy before you post your silliness). The fix has always been in; McConnell toadied up to Hannity -- the Altar of the Craven and Venal -- on December 12.

This is the core of the President's team's defense of the obstruction charge:

“The subpoenas weren’t authorized because there was no vote or the subpoenas were to senior advisers to the president who are immune from congressional compulsion, or the subpoenas were forcing executive branch officials to testify without the presence of agency counsel.”

Let me say it again (warning: a couple of big words): "immune from congressional compulsion." L'Etat, C'est Orange? You guys are deranged, or just dumb.

what a class act

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:28 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

A feckless comment, made by someone who has already agreed that using the levers of state for personal gain is all about what he admires in a President. I see Pete has followed on with his own silliness. You both just don't understand what you are complying with, what you're agreeing to, and what you are casting aside -- all for the Big Red R. Numbskulls.

Preemptive? Don't be a pumpkinhead (or, as I've suggested in the past, at least consult Randy before you post your silliness). The fix has always been in; McConnell toadied up to Hannity -- the Altar of the Craven and Venal -- on December 12.

This is the core of the President's team's defense of the obstruction charge:

“The subpoenas weren’t authorized because there was no vote or the subpoenas were to senior advisers to the president who are immune from congressional compulsion, or the subpoenas were forcing executive branch officials to testify without the presence of agency counsel.”

Let me say it again (warning: a couple of big words): "immune from congressional compulsion." L'Etat, C'est Orange? You guys are deranged, or just dumb.

what a class act

What it says is: when you geniuses are pushing up daisies having died, likely, from not being able to tell the difference between rat poison and Grape Nuts while making yourselves breakfast......future Presidents will know that they can't do what Trump did, or they'll face impeachment.

ggait wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:14 pm

What it says is: when you geniuses are pushing up daisies having died, likely, from not being able to tell the difference between rat poison and Grape Nuts while making yourselves breakfast......future Presidents will know that they can't do what Trump did, or they'll face impeachment.

I think the article 2/obstruction is actually the big deal here. Although I do think the bribery/shakedown is proven, illegal, impeachable and remove-able (if you want to do that).

But Trump's blanket stonewall is really the crazy dangerous thing:

1. Not one forking person is allowed to testify.
2. Not one forking piece of paper will be turned over.
3. Just because I said so. No need for any further justification or pretense.
4. If you don't like it, enjoy the next 2-3 years it will take to fight me through every level of court in the land. I have the world's biggest law firm (i.e. USDOJ plus the WH counsel office) at my disposal with unlimited resources. Bring it on dude.
5. Or try to vote me out of office. [N.B. This option unavailable during a second term obviously.]
6. I won the election. So go fork yourself and the Constitution you rode in on. [FYI, the folks in Congress got elected too.]
7. And by the way, I can't be prosecuted for what I do (USDOJ OLC opinion) so long as I am here.
8. And I also have unlimited power to pardon myself and my guys if need be.

That is way past the Nixon zone. If you let the stonewall go unchallenged, you only have two things to rely upon to prevent complete l'etat cest moi:

First, hopefully we'll never elect again as brazen a jerk as Trump. Normal people elected president should be too embarassed and apalled to try something like this.

Second, we know Republicans would never put up with shirt like this. So Mitch, Lindsey, Hannity and the rest will flip flop their views within seconds of any commie Dem president being inaugurated. But our FNC friends should worry here about their chances of regaining of the House anytime soon. If the demo trends keep going and the House reverts to extended Dem control, there won't be one forking thing you can do when President AOC starts crime-ing around.

Something I’m sure we can all agree on regardless of our individual political views, Blackburn needs to check herself. An apology to Lt. Col. Vindman is in order.

ggait wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:14 pm If the demo trends keep going and the House reverts to extended Dem control, there won't be one forking thing you can do when President AOC starts crime-ing around.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:31 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:28 pm

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 am

seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:05 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:55 am This impeachment chaos is getting out of hand. Shiff saying “the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won.” is quite unnerving. IMO, his comments clearly project a god complex, that some on the left are clearly driven at all costs to be in power.

It's hardly chaos; you know better than that. This is about the most controlled enterprise I've ever watched. And the thrust of the proceeding is nearly entirely factual. Wait for Pat Cipp and Sekulow for the chaotic whataboutism. It's coming.

And the point: Trump tried this little scheme using Rudy and Lev and Gordo in order to influence the election. There's nothing unnerving (well, to me, anyway) about saying that the President's misconduct forfeits his ability to campaign, stand for, and try to fix another election.

He won't be convicted. But history will have recorded, in detail and with some flair and passion, his gross misdeeds and his deeply flawed character, and the fecklessness of the GOP members of the House and Senate. Imagine having your legacy attached forever to this amoral scrote. That'll have to be enough to be going on with.

an attempt at pre-emptive rationalization if ever there was one

A feckless comment, made by someone who has already agreed that using the levers of state for personal gain is all about what he admires in a President. I see Pete has followed on with his own silliness. You both just don't understand what you are complying with, what you're agreeing to, and what you are casting aside -- all for the Big Red R. Numbskulls.

Preemptive? Don't be a pumpkinhead (or, as I've suggested in the past, at least consult Randy before you post your silliness). The fix has always been in; McConnell toadied up to Hannity -- the Altar of the Craven and Venal -- on December 12.

This is the core of the President's team's defense of the obstruction charge:

“The subpoenas weren’t authorized because there was no vote or the subpoenas were to senior advisers to the president who are immune from congressional compulsion, or the subpoenas were forcing executive branch officials to testify without the presence of agency counsel.”

Let me say it again (warning: a couple of big words): "immune from congressional compulsion." L'Etat, C'est Orange? You guys are deranged, or just dumb.

what a class act

What is your disagreement with this impeachment process?