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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:33 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:29 pm One is private snd one public. Hopkins is the largest private employer. How do you define “mean more”

http://2022.mdmanual.msa.maryland.gov/m ... onomy.html

Just FYI … Johns Hopkins is now ranked #7 in the new U.S. News rankings. Moved up two spots from last year. Now ahead of Caltech and Duke in the rankings.

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

DocBarrister

Very excited to see how someone spins this as bad for the lacrosse program. You know it's coming

In a world with dozens of excellent lacrosse programs and nearly as many good schools ( ), every little advantage helps.

Rankings are just another form of marketing, and universities need good marketing in this era. That’s not even up for debate.

DocBarrister

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:09 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:33 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:29 pm One is private snd one public. Hopkins is the largest private employer. How do you define “mean more”

http://2022.mdmanual.msa.maryland.gov/m ... onomy.html

Just FYI … Johns Hopkins is now ranked #7 in the new U.S. News rankings. Moved up two spots from last year. Now ahead of Caltech and Duke in the rankings.

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

DocBarrister

Very excited to see how someone spins this as bad for the lacrosse program. You know it's coming

In a world with dozens of excellent lacrosse programs and nearly as many good schools ( ), every little advantage helps.

Rankings are just another form of marketing, and universities need good marketing in this era. That’s not even up for debate.

DocBarrister

Let's just hope that there are no issues ala Columbia...chasing rankings obsessively isn't necessarily a good thing.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:09 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:33 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:29 pm One is private snd one public. Hopkins is the largest private employer. How do you define “mean more”

http://2022.mdmanual.msa.maryland.gov/m ... onomy.html

Just FYI … Johns Hopkins is now ranked #7 in the new U.S. News rankings. Moved up two spots from last year. Now ahead of Caltech and Duke in the rankings.

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

DocBarrister

Very excited to see how someone spins this as bad for the lacrosse program. You know it's coming

In a world with dozens of excellent lacrosse programs and nearly as many good schools ( ), every little advantage helps.

Rankings are just another form of marketing, and universities need good marketing in this era. That’s not even up for debate.

DocBarrister

Let's just hope that there are no issues ala Columbia...chasing rankings obsessively isn't necessarily a good thing.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

44WeWantMore wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:09 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:09 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:03 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:33 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:12 am

OCanada wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:29 pm One is private snd one public. Hopkins is the largest private employer. How do you define “mean more”

http://2022.mdmanual.msa.maryland.gov/m ... onomy.html

Just FYI … Johns Hopkins is now ranked #7 in the new U.S. News rankings. Moved up two spots from last year. Now ahead of Caltech and Duke in the rankings.

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

DocBarrister

Very excited to see how someone spins this as bad for the lacrosse program. You know it's coming

In a world with dozens of excellent lacrosse programs and nearly as many good schools ( ), every little advantage helps.

Rankings are just another form of marketing, and universities need good marketing in this era. That’s not even up for debate.

DocBarrister

Let's just hope that there are no issues ala Columbia...chasing rankings obsessively isn't necessarily a good thing.

You seem to be referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
There is a slippery slope from trying to improve the things measured, to obsessively focusing on the things measured, to cheating to make the measurements look good.

An old Lax Power Poster ('72?) used to put it more strongly. He used to argue that the chase for USN&WR rankings is making JHU less special. That is, he misses the essential differentiators that made JHU unique back in his days.

Since the primary goal of a university is to grow its hedge fund, rankings help attract students who are likely to become contributing alumni (which coincidentally is one of the measurements) as well as to attract external, sponsored funding, so ol' '72 might have to live with some marketing,

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:38 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

If we're counting dollars, Hopkins is the largest research University in the world, with no one in 2nd to 10th place.....

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:32 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

Hoponboard wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:08 pm What time is the men’s alumni game on the 7th?

nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:32 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:59 pm

nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:32 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

I think what Johns Hopkins used to be … and what some members of our forum wished it still was … is an institution that emphasized graduate studies and research over undergraduate instruction.

Frankly, I think that was an extremely detrimental approach. The undergraduate schools were, are, and will always be the heart of the university. The graduate and professional schools cannot ever form the core of the university’s community. Research institutions like APL and the Space Telescope Science Institute could easily be stand-alone institutions. The emphasis and focus should always be on the undergraduate schools.

That certainly wasn’t the case when I attended Hopkins. Compared to the three universities that I attended other than Hopkins, Hopkins had by far the worst quality of teaching. Faculty seemed to deem teaching a chore, and their poor quality of teaching reflected that. I also don’t understand what is good about “academic rigor”. Other top schools have academic rigor, but Hopkins took it to an extreme. I once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid. The f*cking physics professor should have been fired for giving a test where even a class full of graduate students failed to break an average score of 20 out of 100. Another idiot Hopkins professor spent the entire semester deriving equations on a chalkboard without explaining why the equations were important or why we were deriving them. That guy should have been fired, too.

President Daniels has clearly prioritized improving the undergraduate experience without neglecting the graduate schools and research institutions. Some don’t like the new emphasis, but it’s way overdue. I can’t believe it took nearly 150 years for Hopkins to finally build a decent student center.

Ok … rant over.

*Drops Mic*

DocBarrister

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:54 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:59 pm

nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:32 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

I think what Johns Hopkins used to be … and what some members of our forum wished it still was … is an institution that emphasized graduate studies and research over undergraduate instruction.

Frankly, I think that was an extremely detrimental approach. The undergraduate schools were, are, and will always be the heart of the university. The graduate and professional schools cannot ever form the core of the university’s community. Research institutions like APL and the Space Telescope Science Institute could easily be stand-alone institutions. The emphasis and focus should always be on the undergraduate schools.

That certainly wasn’t the case when I attended Hopkins. Compared to the three universities that I attended other than Hopkins, Hopkins had by far the worst quality of teaching. Faculty seemed to deem teaching a chore, and their poor quality of teaching reflected that. I also don’t understand what is good about “academic rigor”. Other top schools have academic rigor, but Hopkins took it to an extreme. I once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid. The f*cking physics professor should have been fired for giving a test where even a class full of graduate students failed to break an average score of 20 out of 100. Another idiot Hopkins professor spent the entire semester deriving equations on a chalkboard without explaining why the equations were important or why we were deriving them. That guy should have been fired, too.

President Daniels has clearly prioritized improving the undergraduate experience without neglecting the graduate schools and research institutions. Some don’t like the new emphasis, but it’s way overdue. I can’t believe it took nearly 150 years for Hopkins to finally build a decent student center.

Ok … rant over.

*Drops Mic*

DocBarrister

other people tell you if you dropped a mic.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:54 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:59 pm

nyjay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:32 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 pm Pretty sure the climb up the rankings is mostly due to the university becoming more selective over the last 10-20 years. Acceptance rate is now just 8%. The Bloomberg money and going need-blind probably don't hurt. Philosophically and metrics-wise it's basically an Ivy League school with the added benefit that the lax team can offer the full allotment of schollies in addition to finaid. Bigger emphasis on research than most Ivies though.

Maybe it's just me, but I liked it better when JHU wasn't "basically an Ivy League school" and was actually something different. Frankly, I used to think it was - at an undergrad level - academically more rigorous than most of the Ivies, had less grade inflation and was more focused on substance rather than perception. One of the reasons the admissions were less selective (on a % basis) than the Ivies was the place had a reputation that scared some of the less serious off. While Daniels' chase of the rankings has undoubtedly been successful on its own terms, it does seem like the character of the institution has changed somewhat. And reasonable minds can differ on whether that's a good thing.

I think what Johns Hopkins used to be … and what some members of our forum wished it still was … is an institution that emphasized graduate studies and research over undergraduate instruction.

Frankly, I think that was an extremely detrimental approach. The undergraduate schools were, are, and will always be the heart of the university. The graduate and professional schools cannot ever form the core of the university’s community. Research institutions like APL and the Space Telescope Science Institute could easily be stand-alone institutions. The emphasis and focus should always be on the undergraduate schools.

That certainly wasn’t the case when I attended Hopkins. Compared to the three universities that I attended other than Hopkins, Hopkins had by far the worst quality of teaching. Faculty seemed to deem teaching a chore, and their poor quality of teaching reflected that. I also don’t understand what is good about “academic rigor”. Other top schools have academic rigor, but Hopkins took it to an extreme. I once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid. The f*cking physics professor should have been fired for giving a test where even a class full of graduate students failed to break an average score of 20 out of 100. Another idiot Hopkins professor spent the entire semester deriving equations on a chalkboard without explaining why the equations were important or why we were deriving them. That guy should have been fired, too.

President Daniels has clearly prioritized improving the undergraduate experience without neglecting the graduate schools and research institutions. Some don’t like the new emphasis, but it’s way overdue. I can’t believe it took nearly 150 years for Hopkins to finally build a decent student center.

Ok … rant over.

*Drops Mic*

DocBarrister

other people tell you if you dropped a mic.

I can’t believe you got even this wrong.

*Ahem*

Dropping a mic is an inherently boastful act. It must be done by the person who is boasting. Boasting is the entire point of dropping a mic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mic_drop



DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:59 pmI once got a 5 out of a 100 on an advanced physics test … and it was a passing grade. That’s just nuts … and stupid.