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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:58 am But did he get his tax-advantaged status as a dog-fearing "Murican?

"Samuel Rappylee Bateman, a leader of an offshoot of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, allegedly counted his own daughter and other juvenile girls among his more than 20 “wives.” Many of them were younger than 15, an FBI agent wrote in a court document filed Friday.

Bateman’s alleged foray into polygamy began in 2019, when he was married to one woman and had a daughter who was roughly 14. While in the car one day, the daughter later told investigators, Bateman said that he felt like she was his wife and that he would make her have a child if his feelings turned out to be right."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ist-wives/

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When does a "cult" become a "religion" protected by the Constitution?

https://www.insider.com/cult-prophet-fl ... ng-2022-12

"An up-and-coming "prophet" in the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints demanded that a follower turn over his youngest daughter to be his wife and then complained to his other young wives that the girl — no older than 10 — was wetting the bed, according to a recently filed FBI affidavit in a related kidnapping case.

In 2019, Samuel Bateman, who for years tried to advance his position within the sect, declared himself "prophet" of the FLDS. The radical group has long been led by the infamous cult leader Warren Jeffs, who now reigns over many FLDS followers from prison.

Bateman has garnered a small following of around 50 FLDS members, splintering the sect, according to the FBI, and has taken 20 wives, most of them girls under 15 years old, federal investigators noted in court documents.

In May 2020, Bateman went to his follower, Moroni Johnson, and took his daughter — born in 2010 — as his wife, according to the FBI.


A law enforcement informant close to the child brides told the FBI that Bateman was "disgusted" over the youngest girl's bedwetting.

While Moroni "expressed great anguish and was under extreme stress over having to give his youngest daughter to Bateman," the FBI affidavit said, he remained a faithful follower. Bateman has since taken all of Moroni's daughters and at least one of his wives as his own.

Bateman's underage wives — several of them Moroni's own daughters — were made to watch in November 2020 as he had sex with Moroni in a Nebraska hotel room, according to the court document."

So, early Islam? If the FLDS can hang on for a few hundred years they're "in"?

This shite is like a horror movie -- only it's real.

The women and girls were told it was the "binding of brothers" and were forced to have sex with other men in the cult, the FBI said.
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In furtherance of the discussion in the Conservative Ideology thread today, regarding the breakup of churches, Today's fracturing of the Methodist Church.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/19/us/brook ... index.html

“Lamor Whitehead, the 45-year-old pastor who goes by “Bishop,” was charged with wire fraud, attempted wire fraud, attempted extortion and making a material false statement, the US Attorney’s Office of the Southern District of New York announced. He faces up to 65 years in prison for his alleged crimes.”
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Scumbag Far-Right Extremist Defrocked by Pope Francis

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Far-right extremist scumbag and Trump-idolizing piece of trash Frank Pavone has just been defrocked by the Vatican (really, by Pope Francis) without the possibility of appeal.

Love it.

A well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’ representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.

Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.

“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/18/us/v ... thood.html

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DocBarrister wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:54 pm Far-right extremist scumbag and Trump-idolizing piece of trash Frank Pavone has just been defrocked by the Vatican (really, by Pope Francis) without the possibility of appeal.

Love it.

A well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’ representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.

Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.

“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/18/us/v ... thood.html

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:54 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:54 pm Far-right extremist scumbag and Trump-idolizing piece of trash Frank Pavone has just been defrocked by the Vatican (really, by Pope Francis) without the possibility of appeal.

Love it.

A well-known Catholic priest and incendiary leader of the anti-abortion movement was removed from the priesthood by the Vatican, according to a letter from Pope Francis’ representative to the United States that was obtained by The New York Times.

Frank Pavone, who leads the advocacy organization Priests for Life, and was once a religious adviser to former President Donald J. Trump, was dismissed from the clergy on Nov. 9 with no possibility of appeal, the letter states. The letter included a statement about the removal, called laicization, that it said was approved by the Dicastery for the Clergy, a Vatican office.

“This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop,” it states.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/18/us/v ... thood.html

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MAGA Former Priest Called “Mr. Pavone” and “lay person” by Church

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Ouch. :)

Statement on Frank Pavone

Rev. Frank Pavone, the founder of the organization, Priests for Life, Inc., was dismissed from the clerical state by the Holy See on 9 November 2022. This action was taken after Father Pavone was found guilty in canonical proceedings of blasphemous communications on social media, and of persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop.

Father Pavone was given ample opportunity to defend himself in the canonical proceedings, and he was also given multiple opportunities to submit himself to the authority of his diocesan bishop. It was determined that Father Pavone had no reasonable justification for his actions.

Since Priests for Life, Inc. is not a Catholic organization, Mr. Pavone’s continuing role in it as a lay person would be entirely up to the leadership of that organization.


https://apnews.com/article/religion-vat ... 4f3fa95921

I’m pretty sure in Priest School one of the first things they teach is “Don’t p*ss off your bishop or the Pope.”

Mr. Pavone must have skipped class that day.

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Seems like it's always about the cash:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... c-charges/

"Federal regulators on Tuesday announced charges against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its nonprofit investment arm, alleging they took measures to conceal the size of the church’s considerable investments, including creating shell companies with phony office addresses.

The church and Ensign Peak Advisors will collectively pay $5 million to resolve the allegations, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission. The agency said the church’s equity investments were valued at about $32 billion in 2018, though a former church investment manager alleged in a 2019 complaint to the IRS that the church had amassed $100 billion in total holdings, including stocks, bonds and cash.

Ensign Peak, which is operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — commonly known as the Mormon Church — allegedly failed to disclose the size of its total equity holdings, as the SEC requires of all large U.S. investment firms. Instead, the agency said, Ensign Peak created 13 shell companies with approval from the church and divided its investment disclosure forms among them. The shell companies were controlled by Ensign and the forms were signed by managers who mostly worked for the church.

“We allege that the LDS Church’s investment manager, with the Church’s knowledge, went to great lengths to avoid disclosing the Church’s investments, depriving the Commission and the investing public of accurate market information,” Gurbir S. Grewal, the SEC’s enforcement director, said in a statement.

Despite documenting over 20 years of efforts to conceal information, the SEC stopped short of describing the church’s activities as fraud, and decided to impose a relatively small civil penalty relative to the size of the church’s resources, said Jacob S. Frenkel, a former senior counsel in the SEC’s division of enforcement.

“They are showing institutional respect for the church,” Frenkel said. “If this had been a private institution, the monetary penalty would have much larger.”

The church confirmed the settlement in its own statement Tuesday, saying that it regrets “mistakes made” and that it was acting on legal advice on how to “comply with its reporting obligations while attempting to maintain the privacy of the portfolio.” Ensign Peak revised its reporting process after it heard from the SEC in 2019 and, since then, has disclosed its investments in a single, quarterly report, the statement said.

The settlement follows the efforts by a whistleblower, former Ensign Peak investment manager David A. Nielsen, to hold the church accountable for how it uses its member donations. In an explosive whistleblower complaint with the IRS, he alleged that the church’s stockpiling of $100 billion in funds, rather than using them for charitable purposes, could be a violation of tax rules. Mormons are asked to give 10 percent of their income to the church, and Nielsen claimed a large portion of these tithings are managed by Ensign Peak investors.

The allegations spurred criticism that the church hoarded money while demanding contributions from struggling families. Others have viewed the church’s fortune as the result of prudent financial management — including Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who said he was pleased that his church had “not only saved for a rainy day, but for a rainy decade.”

At the time, the church leadership said the complaint was “based on a narrow perspective and limited information.”

After lodging the complaint with the IRS, Nielsen also filed a whistleblower complaint with the SEC, his lawyer, Michael Sullivan, said in an interview earlier this month. If Nielsen’s information was critical to the SEC’s enforcement action, he may stand to collect up to $1.5 million, or 30 percent of the civil penalties the agency collects. Sullivan confirmed Nielsen could receive an award from the SEC but did not say how much.

Securities experts said the type of disclosure in question, called 13F, is designed to give stock market participants transparency about who owns stocks.

Henry T. C. Hu, a corporate and securities law professor at the University of Texas law school, said the amount of information that needs to be disclosed on the forms is fairly minimal, consisting of a list of the securities owned and the types, along with a few other details. Trying to disguise assets by attributing them to multiple shell companies seems like an obvious violation of the rules, Hu said.

“What the law requires is so clear that I am genuinely surprised that anyone would do this,” he said.

The SEC’s nine-page order against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints contains a rare glimpse inside the church’s notoriously secretive financial operations. According to the document, top Mormon officials were worried about the public discovering the connections between the church, Ensign Peak and the shell companies it used to report its equity investments.

In 2015, when senior church leaders feared someone was connecting these dots, they advised managers to “gradually and carefully adapt Ensign Peak’s corporate structure to strengthen the portfolio’s confidentiality,” the SEC said, quoting internal church documents from its investigation.

Ensign Peak’s 13 shell entities were registered to addresses in different cities outside Utah to give the impression they were doing business across the country, the SEC said. However, the agency said no business was done at these places other than collecting mail. Phone numbers for each entity were all sent directly to voice mail; one manager was instructed to notify senior leaders of any voice mails from regulatory agencies, and delete all the others, the SEC order said.

The church’s own internal auditors reviewed Ensign Peak in 2014, and again in 2017, according to the SEC. The auditors highlighted the risk that the SEC might disagree with the corporate filing structure, though it did not recommend any specific changes."
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Lutheran church officials are calling for the excommunication of unrepentant white nationalists, attacking their beliefs as "evil."

“This is evil. We condemn it in the name of Christ,” Matthew Harrison, president of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, wrote in a open letter last week in the Reporter, the official newspaper of his synod.

He and all leaders of the synod "categorically reject the horrible and racist teachings of the so-called 'alt-right' in toto (including white supremacy, Nazism, pro-slavery, anti-interracial marriage, women as property, fascism, death for homosexuals, even genocide)," Harrison wrote.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:00 am Seems like it's always about the cash:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... c-charges/

"Federal regulators on Tuesday announced charges against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its nonprofit investment arm, alleging they took measures to conceal the size of the church’s considerable investments, including creating shell companies with phony office addresses.

The church and Ensign Peak Advisors will collectively pay $5 million to resolve the allegations, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission. The agency said the church’s equity investments were valued at about $32 billion in 2018, though a former church investment manager alleged in a 2019 complaint to the IRS that the church had amassed $100 billion in total holdings, including stocks, bonds and cash.

Ensign Peak, which is operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — commonly known as the Mormon Church — allegedly failed to disclose the size of its total equity holdings, as the SEC requires of all large U.S. investment firms. Instead, the agency said, Ensign Peak created 13 shell companies with approval from the church and divided its investment disclosure forms among them. The shell companies were controlled by Ensign and the forms were signed by managers who mostly worked for the church.

“We allege that the LDS Church’s investment manager, with the Church’s knowledge, went to great lengths to avoid disclosing the Church’s investments, depriving the Commission and the investing public of accurate market information,” Gurbir S. Grewal, the SEC’s enforcement director, said in a statement.

Despite documenting over 20 years of efforts to conceal information, the SEC stopped short of describing the church’s activities as fraud, and decided to impose a relatively small civil penalty relative to the size of the church’s resources, said Jacob S. Frenkel, a former senior counsel in the SEC’s division of enforcement.

“They are showing institutional respect for the church,” Frenkel said. “If this had been a private institution, the monetary penalty would have much larger.”

The church confirmed the settlement in its own statement Tuesday, saying that it regrets “mistakes made” and that it was acting on legal advice on how to “comply with its reporting obligations while attempting to maintain the privacy of the portfolio.” Ensign Peak revised its reporting process after it heard from the SEC in 2019 and, since then, has disclosed its investments in a single, quarterly report, the statement said.

The settlement follows the efforts by a whistleblower, former Ensign Peak investment manager David A. Nielsen, to hold the church accountable for how it uses its member donations. In an explosive whistleblower complaint with the IRS, he alleged that the church’s stockpiling of $100 billion in funds, rather than using them for charitable purposes, could be a violation of tax rules. Mormons are asked to give 10 percent of their income to the church, and Nielsen claimed a large portion of these tithings are managed by Ensign Peak investors.

The allegations spurred criticism that the church hoarded money while demanding contributions from struggling families. Others have viewed the church’s fortune as the result of prudent financial management — including Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who said he was pleased that his church had “not only saved for a rainy day, but for a rainy decade.”

At the time, the church leadership said the complaint was “based on a narrow perspective and limited information.”

After lodging the complaint with the IRS, Nielsen also filed a whistleblower complaint with the SEC, his lawyer, Michael Sullivan, said in an interview earlier this month. If Nielsen’s information was critical to the SEC’s enforcement action, he may stand to collect up to $1.5 million, or 30 percent of the civil penalties the agency collects. Sullivan confirmed Nielsen could receive an award from the SEC but did not say how much.

Securities experts said the type of disclosure in question, called 13F, is designed to give stock market participants transparency about who owns stocks.

Henry T. C. Hu, a corporate and securities law professor at the University of Texas law school, said the amount of information that needs to be disclosed on the forms is fairly minimal, consisting of a list of the securities owned and the types, along with a few other details. Trying to disguise assets by attributing them to multiple shell companies seems like an obvious violation of the rules, Hu said.

“What the law requires is so clear that I am genuinely surprised that anyone would do this,” he said.

The SEC’s nine-page order against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints contains a rare glimpse inside the church’s notoriously secretive financial operations. According to the document, top Mormon officials were worried about the public discovering the connections between the church, Ensign Peak and the shell companies it used to report its equity investments.

In 2015, when senior church leaders feared someone was connecting these dots, they advised managers to “gradually and carefully adapt Ensign Peak’s corporate structure to strengthen the portfolio’s confidentiality,” the SEC said, quoting internal church documents from its investigation.

Ensign Peak’s 13 shell entities were registered to addresses in different cities outside Utah to give the impression they were doing business across the country, the SEC said. However, the agency said no business was done at these places other than collecting mail. Phone numbers for each entity were all sent directly to voice mail; one manager was instructed to notify senior leaders of any voice mails from regulatory agencies, and delete all the others, the SEC order said.

The church’s own internal auditors reviewed Ensign Peak in 2014, and again in 2017, according to the SEC. The auditors highlighted the risk that the SEC might disagree with the corporate filing structure, though it did not recommend any specific changes."
“The church and Ensign Peak Advisors will collectively pay $5 million to resolve the allegations”

Think it’ll cover the cost of the investigation?
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The religion of climate change is very strong.

What climate are we changing too?

STFup......

exactly.

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jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:25 am Was Jesus really gay?
umm......who cares how he got off.

What a trolling article, why post it?
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jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:25 am Was Jesus really gay?
😂😂😂. You looking for a new friend. 😉
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:07 pm
jhu72 wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:25 am Was Jesus really gay?
😂😂😂. You looking for a new friend. 😉
Pretty sure this course isn't being taught in Florida.
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