Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

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PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:12 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:42 am https://www.propublica.org/article/ariz ... t-meltdown

"School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.
In 2022, Arizona pioneered the largest school voucher program in the history of education. Under a new law, any parent in the state, no matter how affluent, could get a taxpayer-funded voucher worth up to tens of thousands of dollars to spend on private school tuition, extracurricular programs or homeschooling supplies.

In just the past two years, nearly a dozen states have enacted sweeping voucher programs similar to Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Account system, with many using it as a model.

Yet in a lesson for these other states, Arizona’s voucher experiment has since precipitated a budget meltdown. The state this year faced a $1.4 billion budget shortfall, much of which was a result of the new voucher spending, according to the Grand Canyon Institute, a local nonpartisan fiscal and economic policy think tank. Last fiscal year alone, the price tag of universal vouchers in Arizona skyrocketed from an original official estimate of just under $65 million to roughly $332 million, the Grand Canyon analysis found; another $429 million in costs is expected this year.

As a result of all this unexpected spending, alongside some recent revenue losses, Arizona is now having to make deep cuts to a wide swath of critical state programs and projects, the pain of which will be felt by average Arizonans who may or may not have school-aged children.

Among the funding slashed: $333 million for water infrastructure projects, in a state where water scarcity will shape the future, and tens of millions of dollars for highway expansions and repairs in congested areas of one of the nation’s fastest-growing metropolises — Phoenix and its suburbs. Also nixed were improvements to the air conditioning in state prisons, where temperatures can soar above 100 degrees. Arizona’s community colleges, too, are seeing their budgets cut by $54 million."
Let them drink water…
Wait....so adding in a layer of profit, and cutting the size of schools from one school with 1,000 kids per school to 10 schools with 100 kids per school isn't more financially efficient?

Nooooooooo. Really?
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Re: Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

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a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:16 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:12 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:42 am https://www.propublica.org/article/ariz ... t-meltdown

"School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.
In 2022, Arizona pioneered the largest school voucher program in the history of education. Under a new law, any parent in the state, no matter how affluent, could get a taxpayer-funded voucher worth up to tens of thousands of dollars to spend on private school tuition, extracurricular programs or homeschooling supplies.

In just the past two years, nearly a dozen states have enacted sweeping voucher programs similar to Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Account system, with many using it as a model.

Yet in a lesson for these other states, Arizona’s voucher experiment has since precipitated a budget meltdown. The state this year faced a $1.4 billion budget shortfall, much of which was a result of the new voucher spending, according to the Grand Canyon Institute, a local nonpartisan fiscal and economic policy think tank. Last fiscal year alone, the price tag of universal vouchers in Arizona skyrocketed from an original official estimate of just under $65 million to roughly $332 million, the Grand Canyon analysis found; another $429 million in costs is expected this year.

As a result of all this unexpected spending, alongside some recent revenue losses, Arizona is now having to make deep cuts to a wide swath of critical state programs and projects, the pain of which will be felt by average Arizonans who may or may not have school-aged children.

Among the funding slashed: $333 million for water infrastructure projects, in a state where water scarcity will shape the future, and tens of millions of dollars for highway expansions and repairs in congested areas of one of the nation’s fastest-growing metropolises — Phoenix and its suburbs. Also nixed were improvements to the air conditioning in state prisons, where temperatures can soar above 100 degrees. Arizona’s community colleges, too, are seeing their budgets cut by $54 million."
Let them drink water…
Wait....so adding in a layer of profit, and cutting the size of schools from one school with 1,000 kids per school to 10 schools with 100 kids per school isn't more financially efficient?

Nooooooooo. Really?
AZ is a warer deficit state. They should not be trying to grow their way out of financial difficulty. They have been a water deficit state fir decades. Utah is too. What their ultimate goal is puzzles me but the way they are directing growth seems counter productive unless they believe they can increase their water allocation.

Texas maybe three decades ago recognizing their water problem wanted to take water from the Mississippi. The route would be uphill. Reality set in when they discovered the cost of pumping the water. Texas and a couple other states then turned their attention to the Great Lakes. All that fresh water. That was stopped. But maybe that big fawcett in Canada Trump talks about can be turned on.
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Re: Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

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OCanada wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:48 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:16 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:12 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:42 am https://www.propublica.org/article/ariz ... t-meltdown

"School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.
In 2022, Arizona pioneered the largest school voucher program in the history of education. Under a new law, any parent in the state, no matter how affluent, could get a taxpayer-funded voucher worth up to tens of thousands of dollars to spend on private school tuition, extracurricular programs or homeschooling supplies.

In just the past two years, nearly a dozen states have enacted sweeping voucher programs similar to Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Account system, with many using it as a model.

Yet in a lesson for these other states, Arizona’s voucher experiment has since precipitated a budget meltdown. The state this year faced a $1.4 billion budget shortfall, much of which was a result of the new voucher spending, according to the Grand Canyon Institute, a local nonpartisan fiscal and economic policy think tank. Last fiscal year alone, the price tag of universal vouchers in Arizona skyrocketed from an original official estimate of just under $65 million to roughly $332 million, the Grand Canyon analysis found; another $429 million in costs is expected this year.

As a result of all this unexpected spending, alongside some recent revenue losses, Arizona is now having to make deep cuts to a wide swath of critical state programs and projects, the pain of which will be felt by average Arizonans who may or may not have school-aged children.

Among the funding slashed: $333 million for water infrastructure projects, in a state where water scarcity will shape the future, and tens of millions of dollars for highway expansions and repairs in congested areas of one of the nation’s fastest-growing metropolises — Phoenix and its suburbs. Also nixed were improvements to the air conditioning in state prisons, where temperatures can soar above 100 degrees. Arizona’s community colleges, too, are seeing their budgets cut by $54 million."
Let them drink water…
Wait....so adding in a layer of profit, and cutting the size of schools from one school with 1,000 kids per school to 10 schools with 100 kids per school isn't more financially efficient?

Nooooooooo. Really?
AZ is a warer deficit state. They should not be trying to grow their way out of financial difficulty. They have been a water deficit state fir decades. Utah is too. What their ultimate goal is puzzles me but the way they are directing growth seems counter productive unless they believe they can increase their water allocation.

Texas maybe three decades ago recognizing their water problem wanted to take water from the Mississippi. The route would be uphill. Reality set in when they discovered the cost of pumping the water. Texas and a couple other states then turned their attention to the Great Lakes. All that fresh water. That was stopped. But maybe that big fawcett in Canada Trump talks about can be turned on.
They believe what all Republicans in 2024 believe: the Federal Government will bail them out by borrowing money that the next gen will pay back.

And they believe that Federal Spending was on "something else", and that they didn't get a dime from the Federal Government.

The Real Conservative Republicans of the 70's would NEVER have let this happen. Reagan showed them they could have it all......Big Government on borrowed money, paying for the stuff the R low tax States don't want to pay for..... And they're addicted to it.
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Re: Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

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Reagan got debasing our currency off to a big start. Trump was the latest to give it a big push.

A little long but perspective

https://www.theglobalist.com/united-sta ... -election/
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Re: Conservative Ideology 2024: NOTHING BUT LIES AND FEARMONGERING

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a fan wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:16 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:12 am
Kismet wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:42 am https://www.propublica.org/article/ariz ... t-meltdown

"School Vouchers Were Supposed to Save Taxpayer Money. Instead They Blew a Massive Hole in Arizona’s Budget.
In 2022, Arizona pioneered the largest school voucher program in the history of education. Under a new law, any parent in the state, no matter how affluent, could get a taxpayer-funded voucher worth up to tens of thousands of dollars to spend on private school tuition, extracurricular programs or homeschooling supplies.

In just the past two years, nearly a dozen states have enacted sweeping voucher programs similar to Arizona’s Empowerment Scholarship Account system, with many using it as a model.

Yet in a lesson for these other states, Arizona’s voucher experiment has since precipitated a budget meltdown. The state this year faced a $1.4 billion budget shortfall, much of which was a result of the new voucher spending, according to the Grand Canyon Institute, a local nonpartisan fiscal and economic policy think tank. Last fiscal year alone, the price tag of universal vouchers in Arizona skyrocketed from an original official estimate of just under $65 million to roughly $332 million, the Grand Canyon analysis found; another $429 million in costs is expected this year.

As a result of all this unexpected spending, alongside some recent revenue losses, Arizona is now having to make deep cuts to a wide swath of critical state programs and projects, the pain of which will be felt by average Arizonans who may or may not have school-aged children.

Among the funding slashed: $333 million for water infrastructure projects, in a state where water scarcity will shape the future, and tens of millions of dollars for highway expansions and repairs in congested areas of one of the nation’s fastest-growing metropolises — Phoenix and its suburbs. Also nixed were improvements to the air conditioning in state prisons, where temperatures can soar above 100 degrees. Arizona’s community colleges, too, are seeing their budgets cut by $54 million."
Let them drink water…
Wait....so adding in a layer of profit, and cutting the size of schools from one school with 1,000 kids per school to 10 schools with 100 kids per school isn't more financially efficient?

Nooooooooo. Really?
I may be wrong about this (I probably am), but my understanding is it's actually worse than you describe. Each parent who had a kid in private school paid their normal school taxes and for their kid's private school. Now they get to move the money placed in their voucher from their public school's budget to the private school they'd previously paid separately for. The rich parents love it because now they're paying less for their kid's education while the kids in public schools have don't have the same amount of budget/student. But that's the American way these days.
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