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Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:51 am
by cradleandshoot
njbill wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:31 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:44 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:33 pm
njbill wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:59 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:26 pm If the FBI has had the computer for 10 mos, they've surely investigated whether or not it's Russian disinformation.

They probably questioned Hunter to establish chain of custody & to determine if he was hacked, or his laptop stolen.

This should be an open counter-intel investigation, which may be why the FBI's been quiet, or they don't want to be accused of playing politics.

Now that it's out there, we need to hear from the FBI asap to verify whether or not it's Russian disinformation & election meddling.

You & the Rudy bashing msm have the burden of proof to show that it's not authentic or that it is Russian disinformation.

Regarding legally obtaining it. The FBI questioned MacIssac & subpoenaed the computer.
Rudy claims to have documentation that it was abandoned property.
Why isn't the msm camped out with Rudy, examining his evidence ?
The FBI hasn’t said anything. We don’t know if the FBI has the laptop, the hard drive, or anything else. We don’t know if they have done any investigation at all. The “reports” of FBI activity all come from the conspirators, Rudy and the blind man. (BTW, how can a blind guy repair computers?)

The FBI, hopefully, learned its lesson from 2016. They should say nothing at all about this. If they bring charges, then announce charges. That’s it.

Do you really want the FBI to comment? I’ll bet my bottom dollar that their comment would say we have not been provided with any stuff by Rudy and his gang that can’t shoot straight. We have no investigation, open or closed. Oh, maybe Rudy made a faux contact with an old FBI buddy, but there’s no legitimate ongoing FBI investigation.

No, it’s Rudy’s burden. He started this. Are you telling me it’s OK for him to dump a story like this a few weeks before the election and not have proof that what he is claiming is true?

If I drop a story that Trump has gotten five women pregnant (three had abortions; two are illegitimate), does Trump bear the burden of proving none of that is true? No. It’s my burden.

Why hasn’t Rudy produced the evidence he says he has?
C'mon bill, don't shine us on. As a lawyer, you know what legally blind means. He's vision impaired & has to use a monocle when he works.

If the FBI wasn't given the computer, it's important for them to say that & knock down the story.
If not, they are letting the disinformation they warned of, flourish & effect our election.
The Obama Admin spoke out against the DNC hacking.
Rudy's not claiming he gave it to the FBI. MacIssac is.
Re the FBI, from the AP report in TLD's NBC link :

The FBI is investigating whether the emails are tied to a foreign influence operation, according to a person who was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity to AP. The exact scope of what was being investigated was not clear.
The blind guy routine is just part of the ruse – to “explain” why he couldn’t tell if it was Hunter or not. If he’s really blind, I can beat Usain Bolt in a 100 m race.

And he conveniently didn’t figure out anything was amiss until after his security tapes had been automatically erased. :roll:

I still say the FBI should say nothing. Rudy started all this mess. If there is some uncertainty in some people’s minds (not many), he has to answer for that.

He doesn’t get to toss a stinkbomb into the campaign at this late date and, ipso facto, become entitled to have the FBI investigate and report what they find.

If that were the case, I could come up with 100 stories about Trump for the FBI to investigate.

Maybe the AP report is accurate. Maybe it isn’t. Regardless, it seems to be pretty thin on detail.
There has to be a conundrum here for the FBI. If there is dirt against HB on the laptop when should they release what they found? If they release it now they look like they are meddling in an election. If they release it after the election and Biden is our POTUS elect, then double barrel Joe will become POTUS with a scandal involving his son right out of the starting gate. There are bad optics here for the FBI no matter what they do. I do know one thing that if HB comes up dirty, the Biden DOJ will to a comprehensive and thorough investigation of the matter. That should take 10 maybe 15 seconds until the investigation slips in to a black hole. :D

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:56 am
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:06 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:59 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:30 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:08 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:00 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:38 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:29 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:15 am
seacoaster wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:10 am The Source:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NoahShachtma ... 4477324288

“Sure, the U.S. Treasury Department may have declared one of his former associates—Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, who worked with Giuliani on his hunt for dirt on the Bidens—to be an “active Russian agent.” But that’s some Deep State talk, he added. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50.”

“My guess is that George Soros is behind this counter-offensive… because he wants to create a socialist country,” Giuliani baselessly alleged. “He’d like to see us collapse and see us taken over by the international... whatever.” Giuliani said that Derkach’s eventual sanctioning was the result of “an intelligence ploy to try to create problems for Trump—because Derkach could probably bury Obama.”

“...the international...whatever.” This only catches the attention of the “already deplorable.” He’s a disgrace.
Yup, for those who understand his meaning, the gross anti-semitism, it's a loud shout out.
Not a 'dog whistle' it's a bull horn to them.
QAnon love it, the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo, the KKK love it.

And of course the Russians love it.

What the rooskies will love is double barrel Joe running America. :D
Wonder why they're not trying to help him win...
I think the answer is obvious - Trump is much more pliable than Biden. No matter what cradle suggests...
What is double barrel joe's plan? What does pliability have to do with anything I am talking about. Double barrel Joe will be the new lead dog in the Democrat reset button towards Vlads Russia. If I am understanding MD correctly the olive branch double barrel is handing to Vlad resembles more of a sharp stick to the eye. That sure sounds like a real good plan to me. Keep ticking off the guy your party has spent 4 years calling every name in the book. How do you think Vlad is going to respond to double barrel Joe trying to antagonize him. That brings me back to my original question... Does double barrel Joe have a plan towards what his Russia policy will be? :!:
I don't know what Joe's plan is, but there's a very real opportunity to marry the very clear plan on energy and climate with the strategic objective of choking off Vlad et al.

And that certainly won't happen with Donald.
Nope, he just wants to be a kleptocrat too.
There is also a very real opportunity double barrel Joe might just back Vlad up into a corner. I hope you are thinking about what you are saying. What do you think Vlad will do if the US chokes him off? You think he caves or do you think he doubles down? My bet is he doubles down.
Putin is only more aggressive if not pushed back.
Sure, he'll make efforts to work asymmetrically, but his influence can be greatly reduced by international cooperation to confront it.

He can 'double down' but he'll lose more and more power as his own economics dry up.
That explains why Putin annexed that real estate in Georgia. Obama and double barrel Joe sue didn't push back on him then did they? I know what double barrel Joe needs to do... draw a line in the sand. I've heard that can be a useful deterrent. :lol:

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:02 am
by seacoaster
From Twitter:

"So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests."

The thread concludes with this:

https://twitter.com/CarolineRoseGiu/sta ... 4886039555

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:06 am
by cradleandshoot
seacoaster wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:02 am From Twitter:

"So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests."

The thread concludes with this:

https://twitter.com/CarolineRoseGiu/sta ... 4886039555
That report comes from Twitter, so we all know it has to be true. ;) I'm guessing the FBI knows what the truth is about the laptop. That is sort of like having a live hand grenade throw into your lap with the pin pulled. What is your next move then? Them poor people at the FBI just can't win for losing.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:15 am
by Laxxal22
What was the strategy behind holding a large rally in Wisconsin yesterday? Positivity rate there is almost 25%. If/when people who attended start testing positive, even if they caught it somewhere else, it will be so easy to make Trump look responsible for another super spreader event. The 2016 playbook might be red meat for his base, but it feels like trying to run the Power Sweep against the 2001 Ravens imo - not going to gain you much ground with a good a chance you lose yardage.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:19 am
by njbill
old salt wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:29 am Rudy speaks. Enjoy.
:lol: Is this an SNL skit?

Rudy says in this interview that the computer wasn’t hacked. Well, that forces his “story” to go down one specific path. I and others have outlined the long series of questions that haven’t been answered. So let’s get some answers to those.

In this interview, Rudy claims the shop owner had contact information for Hunter. So let’s see it.

I’m sure Tara Reade was involved somehow.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:32 am
by CU88
Maybe the tinfoil wearing fans of Rudy can start a topic/thread for this bs and get this spew off the election thread?

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:58 am
by MDlaxfan76
It's all the Trumpists can talk about.

They certainly don't want to talk about Trump.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:04 am
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:58 am It's all the Trumpists can talk about.

They certainly don't want to talk about Trump.
The electorate doesn’t care about this story. Wasn’t Trump impeached over this?

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:10 am
by youthathletics
seacoaster wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:02 am From Twitter:

"So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests."

The thread concludes with this:

https://twitter.com/CarolineRoseGiu/sta ... 4886039555
Maybe the deep state stole them, dropped them off "as" Hunter Biden (shop owner claims to have poor vision), they fill out paperwork as Hunter and provide incorrect phone number, when that phone number is called...they know it's go time. The left, no more wants Biden then anyone else....remember Trump is good for them and is now one of them. Don't be fooled.

Remember the Russian Hoax the left played, and was believed.....the right said "hold my beer". Two pees in a pod.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:13 am
by seacoaster
youthathletics wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:10 am
seacoaster wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:02 am From Twitter:

"So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests."

The thread concludes with this:

https://twitter.com/CarolineRoseGiu/sta ... 4886039555
Maybe the deep state stole them, dropped them off "as" Hunter Biden (shop owner claims to have poor vision), they fill out paperwork as Hunter and provide incorrect phone number, when that phone number is called...they know it's go time. The left, no more wants Biden then anyone else....remember Trump is good for them and is now one of them. Don't be fooled.

Remember the Russian Hoax the left played, and was believed.....the right said "hold my beer". Two pees in a pod.
Right. “It all goes back to Obama’s desk.”

Aluminum futures are up again.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:29 am
by youthathletics
seacoaster wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:13 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:10 am
seacoaster wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:02 am From Twitter:

"So just so I follow this story:

Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85.

He gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (because there aren't repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up the most credible ex-Mayor on Earth and hands them the contents of these drives.

That totally credible ex-Mayor sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests."

The thread concludes with this:

https://twitter.com/CarolineRoseGiu/sta ... 4886039555
Maybe the deep state stole them, dropped them off "as" Hunter Biden (shop owner claims to have poor vision), they fill out paperwork as Hunter and provide incorrect phone number, when that phone number is called...they know it's go time. The left, no more wants Biden then anyone else....remember Trump is good for them and is now one of them. Don't be fooled.

Remember the Russian Hoax the left played, and was believed.....the right said "hold my beer". Two pees in a pod.
Right. “It all goes back to Obama’s desk.”

Aluminum futures are up again.
Have a great day seacoaster!

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:48 am
by youthathletics
Joe lying like a M'fer.

@JoeBiden
President Obama and I left Donald Trump a booming economy — and he caused a recession. He squandered it just like he has everything else he’s inherited in his life.
3:15 PM · Oct 15, 2020

Shovel ready...was not as ah.... shovel ready as we originally expected. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM

To their credit, as has been admitted by many here, including me, they did soften the blow and get us in a good spot by 2016.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:54 am
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:48 am Joe lying like a M'fer.

@JoeBiden
President Obama and I left Donald Trump a booming economy — and he caused a recession. He squandered it just like he has everything else he’s inherited in his life.
3:15 PM · Oct 15, 2020

Shovel ready...was not as ah.... shovel ready as we originally expected. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM

To their credit, as has been admitted by many here, including me, they did soften the blow and get us in a good spot by 2016.
Stock market returns were higher under Obama and growth was modestly slower but Obama didn’t have the benefit of tax reform and massive spending. I don’t blame Trump for the economy but keep in mind, COVID-19 is as much an economic crisis as it is a healthcare crisis and a coherent federal response matters.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:05 am
by Brooklyn

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:31 pm
by seacoaster
This is the sort of thing and people OS is trafficking in:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1317849887438966784

Just a disgrace.

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:48 pm
by cradleandshoot
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:54 am
youthathletics wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:48 am Joe lying like a M'fer.

@JoeBiden
President Obama and I left Donald Trump a booming economy — and he caused a recession. He squandered it just like he has everything else he’s inherited in his life.
3:15 PM · Oct 15, 2020

Shovel ready...was not as ah.... shovel ready as we originally expected. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0dFsNwiqOM

To their credit, as has been admitted by many here, including me, they did soften the blow and get us in a good spot by 2016.
Stock market returns were higher under Obama and growth was modestly slower but Obama didn’t have the benefit of tax reform and massive spending. I don’t blame Trump for the economy but keep in mind, COVID-19 is as much an economic crisis as it is a healthcare crisis and a coherent federal response matters.
I don't give trump or any other politician credit for this. Even with Covid my portfolio is doing outstanding. there has been blips up and down but by the end of this year i am still up over 5% from last year. Given the optimism of a Biden administration i should be up 100% from this time next year. :D

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:49 pm
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:58 am It's all the Trumpists can talk about.

They certainly don't want to talk about Trump.
... it really is a pathetic Hail Mary, nothing burger, which is exactly what everyone but the hardest core Trumpnista thinks. :lol: :lol:

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:50 pm
by jhu72

Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:06 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Laxxal22 wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:15 am What was the strategy behind holding a large rally in Wisconsin yesterday? Positivity rate there is almost 25%. If/when people who attended start testing positive, even if they caught it somewhere else, it will be so easy to make Trump look responsible for another super spreader event. The 2016 playbook might be red meat for his base, but it feels like trying to run the Power Sweep against the 2001 Ravens imo - not going to gain you much ground with a good a chance you lose yardage.
And Ray Lewis might stab you for giggles!