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PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 12:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:01 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:43 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:34 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:45 am

DMac wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:13 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:37 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:25 pm I don't see an answer to my question in those.

Every additional day, an increasingly irrelevant perspective.

Since the only constant is change, what are “conservatives” conserving? Are they just pissin’ in the wind?

This is true but I like how everyone is going to tell us how bad it was in the 50s with no experience.
I lived in Japan, the north, the south, and in Germany in the 50s.
Lot of room for improvement but it wasn't all bad, folks, promise you.

Of course not "all bad"; just not "better".
Unless you were a white, straight man in America...and I'm not so sure even that was "better", though relatively so...

Given thread topic, do you disagree?
I'm guessing you agree.

As noted, a lot of room for improvement, yes. In some respects it was better, IMO, though.
Kids played outside, weren't subjected to the vile cesspool that is social media, families sat
down at the dinner table, far fewer being raised by stepdads and stepmoms, parents number
one priority wasn't to be their children's best friend, didn't pay thousands for nine year olds to
to be on a ball team and travel hundreds of miles to play a game, the sugar loaded garbage
that is fast foods wasn't obese America's daily diet, people with ball sacks showered in the
boy's locker room after gym class, those without in the girl's locker room, was pretty simple.
Given the choice of being a nine-year-old in the 1959 world or a nine-year-old in the 2023
world I would choose the 1959 world every single time. Sure there is much that is better but
I don't think I knew one kid who was on Ritalin, anxiety and Xanax wasn't the norm (odd how
few mass murders there were back then, eh?), oh, and you could hitch hike from NY to San
Francisco and feel relatively safe about doing it.

“Why did this so-called Golden Age of Serial Killers end when it did?

First off, there were societal changes. As Holes points out, the Seventies saw a lot of killers preying on hitchhikers with no compunction about getting into a car with a stranger. “What ends up happening is, as a result of these crimes, women stop hitchhiking,” he says. “So now that victim pool is no longer there.” Murderers like the Golden State Killer and the Night Stalker — who broke into homes — were then deterred by the rise in home security systems. That’s why in the Nineties — when the children of Vietnam vets had grown up — serial killers mainly targeted sex workers.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 21705/amp/

Interesting look at this period of horror. I would argue we are still beset by these creatures, but they act out in paroxysms of violence, not in slow “stalks”.

But the real question remains, “what is the crucible of this sociopathy?” I have a bad feeling there is and will be quite a large “bill” due in about ten years. If society fractures further under onslaught of rapid social dislocation from climate change and worker displacement (automation), all bets are off.

My cousin’s husband was killed by a serial sniper in the 1970s. We were terrified to play outside after dark. Shot him as he was getting into his car….the DC sniper reminded me of it.

This is the event that changed my parents behavior re supervision.

"Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10) and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were sisters who disappeared without a trace during a March 25, 1975[1] trip to a shopping mall in the Washington, D.C. suburb of Wheaton, Maryland. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington metropolitan area history.

In 2013, a team of cold case investigators with the Montgomery County, Maryland, police made a break in the case. They focused on Lloyd Lee Welch, Jr., then serving a lengthy prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse, the culmination of a long criminal record that had begun a few years after the girls' disappearance with a burglary arrest in their jurisdiction. In September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and murder of the two sisters.[2] It had long been "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[3] The girls' remains have never been found."

"Over a year later, in July 2015, Welch, then serving a lengthy sentence in Delaware on a child-molestation conviction, was indicted on first-degree felony murder for his alleged involvement in the deaths of Katherine and Sheila Lyon. He was also charged with abduction with intent to defile. The location of any remains of the girls' bodies is still unknown. Had Welch been brought to trial without the girls' bodies entered into evidence, it would have been the longest time to have elapsed between a murder and a trial in a bodiless murder conviction.[4]

Ultimately, in September 2017, Welch pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree murder for the abduction and killing of Katherine and Shelia Lyon in 1975. He received two 48-year sentences for the two counts of first degree felony murder he was facing."

This timeline, 18 years old in 1975, would have put Welch's childhood in the "halcyon" days of the late '50s and '60s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_o ... heila_Lyon

Karen Sue Coleman
Grew up in Seneca Falls NY. Was living at 263 Park Ave. in Rochester. Was strangled by her 15 year old neighbor.

MDlaxfan76 wrote
So, when we say we want to go back to the 50's, I think what is being said is that we wish "Father Knows Best" and "Beaver" etc "values" were actually a reality, which they weren't then, nor now. Sure, it'd be nice...

DMac wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:22 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote
So, when we say we want to go back to the 50's, I think what is being said is that we wish "Father Knows Best" and "Beaver" etc "values" were actually a reality, which they weren't then, nor now. Sure, it'd be nice...

No, that is not what "we're" saying.
I've been very clear in saying that there was plenty of room for improvement.
It was a friendlier, far less complicated world to grow up in. Neighbors spoke
to one another, kids weren't buried in their phones. I'm not so naïve as to think
it was a perfect world (country, actually) but I will tell you again I wouldn't
consider for one second changing places with a nine year old kid growing up
in today's country. Been there, lived it.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:03 pm I’m with dmac. I’d far prefer the days of yesteryear, coupled with the advancements in equality of today.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:02 pm And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:02 pm And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

Not for those who have escaped poverty. But the decline in the % of intact 2 parent black families & the decline in membership & influence of black churches have made things worse where black community structure has broken down.

Ferguson in the 50's. In the late '60s, my HS used to play Kinloch HS home & home in basketball every year.
It was a friendly annual rivalry & we traveled well to each others gym.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... y-of-today

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:02 pm And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

Not for those who have escaped poverty. But the decline in the % of intact 2 parent black families & the decline in membership & influence of black churches have made things worse where black community structure has broken down.

Ferguson in the 50's. In the late '60s, my HS used to play Kinloch HS home & home in basketball every year.
It was a friendly annual rivalry & we traveled well to each others gym.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... y-of-today

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:00 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:02 pm And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

Not for those who have escaped poverty. But the decline in the % of intact 2 parent black families & the decline in membership & influence of black churches have made things worse where black community structure has broken down.

Ferguson in the 50's. In the late '60s, my HS used to play Kinloch HS home & home in basketball every year.
It was a friendly annual rivalry & we traveled well to each others gym.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... y-of-today

https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/97807 ... Black-Town

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:08 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:00 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:59 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:02 pm And then there's race.
Is anyone seriously arguing that times were better for people of color in the 50's?

Not for those who have escaped poverty. But the decline in the % of intact 2 parent black families & the decline in membership & influence of black churches have made things worse where black community structure has broken down.

Ferguson in the 50's. In the late '60s, my HS used to play Kinloch HS home & home in basketball every year.
It was a friendly annual rivalry & we traveled well to each others gym.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... y-of-today

https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/97807 ... Black-Town

And? The good old days?……I know East St. Louis well enough…. Bye the bye….

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:57 pm Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

old salt wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 12:09 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:57 pm Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

According to your relatives, for black families, how was life in E StL in the '50's & '60's compared to times since ?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:57 pm Thanks Old Salt… learned something today. I know enough about East St. Louis….. Grandparents and their siblings moved there when they got out of the South when the gettin’ was good. Grandparents eventually moved to Indiana…. Old Aunts and Uncles still live there, though an old aunt recently died…..

The first schools, including one older than the city

Central Elementary School on Wesley Avenue was built in 1880, 14 years before Ferguson would become a city.

A school board formed by local businessmen picked a site near the train depot for a new school to replace a one-room school built just after the Civil War. They spent $5,600 to build the solid two-story structure of red brick, with twice the space needed at the time for the area’s white schoolchildren. There were two classrooms on the first floor, and the second floor served as a community space until it was needed as classrooms.

The original structure, which has been updated and expanded through the decades, is still in use as an elementary school in the Ferguson-Florissant School District. Central is the oldest school in north St. Louis County and is on the National Register of Historic Places.

In 1885 -- five years after Central opened -- the Ferguson school board built Vernon School for African-American children. It was a small frame building on a one-acre lot south of the train station. Vernon served first through eighth grades; high school students were sent to Douglass High School in Webster Groves. The school was closed frequently in the early years because enrollment dropped below 10, the minimum number of students required.

A small number of African Americans lived in late 19th-century Ferguson. Most were former slaves of prominent landowners like Marshall Brotherton, a St. Louis banker, and Thomas T. January, chairman of the North Missouri Railroad. After the emancipation of slaves in Missouri in 1865, January gave his former slaves property on his estate to build homes.

In an essay written in 1952, Virginia Penn Kelley described the rural community as it existed at the end of the 1800s. She noted that many who lived in the Ferguson area during the Civil War had been pro-South. And Vernon School, she wrote, “is a remarkable achievement, for this school is for Negro children in a village where feeling has been strongly Confederate and not interested in educating Negros. It hasn’t come to pass easily, but the President of the School Board was a lawyer from Philadelphia who believed that all children should have schooling and he finally persuaded his fellows on the board to his point of view ...’’

(Kelley’s essay was published in “Ferguson: A City And Its People,” a history published in 1976 by the Ferguson Historical Society.)

In 1927, the Ferguson school district built a new brick Vernon School at the western edge of the district for African-American students who lived in Ferguson and neighboring Kinloch Park. Until 1902, when Kinloch Park established its own school district, both white and African-American students from that community attended Ferguson schools.

Kinloch Park was a bustling white commuter suburb at that point in time, said Wright, who wrote “Kinloch: Missouri’s First All-Black Town.''

The community, which was developed in the 1890s, always had a small number of African-American residents; most worked as servants, he said. But that population began to grow after an African-American couple was able to purchase property through their friendship with a white owner. After the sale, white families stopped moving to Kinloch Park, and a real estate company began selling lots to African Americans.

In his book, Wright describes the growing political strength of African-American residents of Kinloch. In 1927, an African-American pastor was elected to the three-member Kinloch School Board, and he began pressing for better treatment of the district's African-American students.

By 1937, the Kinloch school district had 543 black students and 349 white students. White residents, who lived in the northern part of the community wanted to form their own school district. When that failed, they split from Kinloch Park, incorporated as the city of Berkeley and started their own schools.

Wright said that African-American children, who lived in a two-block section of Kinloch that had remained in the Ferguson school district, continued to attend Vernon School -- which remained all-black until it closed in 1967, 13 years after the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed racial segregation in public schools.

Kinloch public schools faced overwhelming financial difficulties, Wright said. There was little tax base left in the community after the Berkeley split, and Kinloch would become one of the poorest communities in the United States.

In 1975, U.S. District Judge Meredith ordered a merger of the Ferguson-Florissant, Berkeley and Kinloch school districts to achieve desegregation.

Until 1968, a barrier at the end of Suburban Avenue in Ferguson blocked access for motorists entering or leaving Kinloch. In recent years, Ferguson added landscaped planters to its stretch of the roadway that was once the Suburban streetcar line. .




3. The “Berlin Wall” controversy



In 1975, Councilman Carl Kersting proposed building a 10-foot fence between a Ferguson neighborhood and the adjacent city of Kinloch.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:12 am We should go back to redlining... according to some...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:12 am We should go back to redlining... according to some...

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:08 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:12 am We should go back to redlining... according to some...

To that point, the folk in Levittown NY also have fond memories of growing up in the 50s and 60s. To bring this back closer to the topic, it's a good thing "the gays" weren't allowed.... or just kept real quiet they should be doing today.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/william-levitt/2