Re: NESCAC 2020
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:17 am
Have heard that Wesleyan had many kids who withdrew this semester, leaving them without a large roster. Does anyone have insight?
My understanding (and I was wrong on this before so someone correct me if I am wrong again) is that D3 has granted another mulligan year this year, on top of the one for last year. https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/30/ ... -covid-19/Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:01 pm So the guys who've withdrawn for the semester or year (a good number from Amherst, Midd, Bowdoin, apparently Wesleyan) to preserve eligibility within the NESCAC, how much eligibility do they have left? Say for instance you were a freshman at Bowdoin in 2020, the NCAA granted the extra year of eligibility and now you've withdrawn for spring 2021. Do you still have four years left of eligibility remaining? Can you play all of them at Bowdoin if you just keep withdrawing for fall semesters?
I understand completely the decision to not put life on hold for a sport (however much you love it). But if that were the case, then why not continue with classes these semesters and proceed with your education, because classes are still going on, right?
I know nothing of these school’s / conference’s rules, but the way this reads, they wanted to avoid using up a “school year” explicitly for the purpose of lacrosse, due to those rules limiting their years allowed to remain there academically.pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm I believe many are but if you continued normally taking classes the past 2 years you would, unless you are going to transfer, basically have used up 2 years of your lax career without playing because you are still going to graduate in 4 years...... So those who withdrew this year did so, in effect, explicitly to avoid taking classes and avoiding using up a "school year".
Oh yes, many players who have withdrawn have done it to preserve, let’s say, years in which they will be able to play. At NESCAC schools you don’t really have a variety in the number of “credits” you take. Unless there is some extenuating circumstance (health, etc), everyone takes a full course load every semester and you graduate in 4 years. Thus if you kept enrolled the past 2 years, you would be graduating after only playing 2 years (with 2 mostly useless years of athletic eligibility in your pocket). I said many rather than all players above however because there are some who just don’t want to spend college years remotely and want 4 years of the on campus experience and withdrew for that reason. I can very much sympathize with that.DeepPocket wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:35 pmI know nothing of these school’s / conference’s rules, but the way this reads, they wanted to avoid using up a “school year” explicitly for the purpose of lacrosse, due to those rules limiting their years allowed to remain there academically.pcowlax wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm I believe many are but if you continued normally taking classes the past 2 years you would, unless you are going to transfer, basically have used up 2 years of your lax career without playing because you are still going to graduate in 4 years...... So those who withdrew this year did so, in effect, explicitly to avoid taking classes and avoiding using up a "school year".
Which if that’s the case, we can move away from the position that this isn’t specifically being done to retain athletic eligibility, at least in a round about way.
I strongly doubt that any NESCAC coach would decline to use his full allotment of slots/tips/etc on the 2022 recruiting class.Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm Whatever the motivations and mechanics of how it works, there's potential (just like everywhere else in college lacrosse I guess) for some very loaded teams over the next four years. One 2020 high school grad who I definitely thought was D1 caliber I've now seen listed as a Middlebury 2025. With two 4-stars coming in the fall (one a Top 100 recruit), that's suddenly a very loaded class. Assuming it's the top players from each class at these schools taking measures to ensure four full seasons, then I think the overall 2022 NESCAC recruiting class will be quite small.
Pretty sure Tufts did not this year fwiwsmoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:43 pmI strongly doubt that any NESCAC coach would decline to use his full allotment of slots/tips/etc on the 2022 recruiting class.Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm Whatever the motivations and mechanics of how it works, there's potential (just like everywhere else in college lacrosse I guess) for some very loaded teams over the next four years. One 2020 high school grad who I definitely thought was D1 caliber I've now seen listed as a Middlebury 2025. With two 4-stars coming in the fall (one a Top 100 recruit), that's suddenly a very loaded class. Assuming it's the top players from each class at these schools taking measures to ensure four full seasons, then I think the overall 2022 NESCAC recruiting class will be quite small.
Interesting. The Inside Lacrosse database shows 9 commits to Tufts in the 2021 class (8 of them committed last summer/fall). Do you mean that D'Annolfo has more than 9 slots/tips or that he declined to use his "admissions capital" on several of those kids? (I know that this topic can be sensitive, so I understand if you aren't comfortable answering directly.)Unknown Participant wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:10 pmPretty sure Tufts did not this year fwiwsmoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:43 pmI strongly doubt that any NESCAC coach would decline to use his full allotment of slots/tips/etc on the 2022 recruiting class.Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm Whatever the motivations and mechanics of how it works, there's potential (just like everywhere else in college lacrosse I guess) for some very loaded teams over the next four years. One 2020 high school grad who I definitely thought was D1 caliber I've now seen listed as a Middlebury 2025. With two 4-stars coming in the fall (one a Top 100 recruit), that's suddenly a very loaded class. Assuming it's the top players from each class at these schools taking measures to ensure four full seasons, then I think the overall 2022 NESCAC recruiting class will be quite small.
The IL page listing recruits is great, but for D3 it isn't 100% accurate. I don't know about Tufts, but for both Amherst and Middlebury I am aware of both decommits that are still listed as commits as well as unlisted commits. I wouldn't be surprised if Tufts has two commits that aren't listed on IL.smoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:30 pmInteresting. The Inside Lacrosse database shows 9 commits to Tufts in the 2021 class (8 of them committed last summer/fall). Do you mean that D'Annolfo has more than 9 slots/tips or that he declined to use his "admissions capital" on several of those kids? (I know that this topic can be sensitive, so I understand if you aren't comfortable answering directly.)Unknown Participant wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:10 pmPretty sure Tufts did not this year fwiwsmoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:43 pmI strongly doubt that any NESCAC coach would decline to use his full allotment of slots/tips/etc on the 2022 recruiting class.Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm Whatever the motivations and mechanics of how it works, there's potential (just like everywhere else in college lacrosse I guess) for some very loaded teams over the next four years. One 2020 high school grad who I definitely thought was D1 caliber I've now seen listed as a Middlebury 2025. With two 4-stars coming in the fall (one a Top 100 recruit), that's suddenly a very loaded class. Assuming it's the top players from each class at these schools taking measures to ensure four full seasons, then I think the overall 2022 NESCAC recruiting class will be quite small.
Yeah, this is surprising given that it seems like multiple NESCAC schools have OOC games on the schedule. Knowing Tufts’ general approach (loves to play tough OOC opponents) I would hope that the current schedule just reflects the games the conference assigned them. If not...man. Four games would be a massive disappointment. Trinity has seven OOC games.JumboFan4 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:16 pm I just want to make sure I understand this correctly...Tufts just posted their schedule and there's no out of conference games shown. Does that mean they're strictly playing a 4 game season? Total BS when some southern schools are already five games in. NESCAC should've just cancelled the season if that's all the athletes are getting for their eligibility.
Just checked and the IL page is missing two 2021 recruits for Tufts, both football and lacrosse recruitsLaxwizard wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:24 amThe IL page listing recruits is great, but for D3 it isn't 100% accurate. I don't know about Tufts, but for both Amherst and Middlebury I am aware of both decommits that are still listed as commits as well as unlisted commits. I wouldn't be surprised if Tufts has two commits that aren't listed on IL.smoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:30 pmInteresting. The Inside Lacrosse database shows 9 commits to Tufts in the 2021 class (8 of them committed last summer/fall). Do you mean that D'Annolfo has more than 9 slots/tips or that he declined to use his "admissions capital" on several of those kids? (I know that this topic can be sensitive, so I understand if you aren't comfortable answering directly.)Unknown Participant wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:10 pmPretty sure Tufts did not this year fwiwsmoova wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:43 pmI strongly doubt that any NESCAC coach would decline to use his full allotment of slots/tips/etc on the 2022 recruiting class.Laxxal22 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm Whatever the motivations and mechanics of how it works, there's potential (just like everywhere else in college lacrosse I guess) for some very loaded teams over the next four years. One 2020 high school grad who I definitely thought was D1 caliber I've now seen listed as a Middlebury 2025. With two 4-stars coming in the fall (one a Top 100 recruit), that's suddenly a very loaded class. Assuming it's the top players from each class at these schools taking measures to ensure four full seasons, then I think the overall 2022 NESCAC recruiting class will be quite small.