Re: 2020 Elections - Dems vs Trumpublicons
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:43 pm
I’ll bet Trump has never even held a gun, let alone fired one.
Same Party, Different House
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Who cares.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:37 pmYou think ole Joe could actually hit someone?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pmJoe could shoot someone on Avenue of The America’s and it won’t matter.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:26 pmThe seriousness of the allegations deserve a complete and thorough investigation. You can use the term colonoscopy because that is probably closer to the truth. Where are all those red flags? Why should i give a f**k if the press mocked it? Story does not check out?? where is as Lanny Davis would say... the poooof? Who is the source of the disinformation?? Hence the reason for the colonoscopy. Holy smokes Red you just bulldozed a big ole barge full of horse manure hoping that maybe there is a nugget of gold buried in the pile somewhere. The seriousness of the charges deserve a complete and thorough investigation by the proper legal controlling authorities. I am guessing if ole Joe wins this issue will be suddenly buried so deep it will rest right next to Jimmy Hoffa.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:15 pmold salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.https://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoint ... s-so-bogus5 Points On Why The New ‘Biden Emails’ Distortion Is So Bogus
Summary of article:
1. There are so many red flags - laptop full of stuff dropped off without leaving name/contact, never paid for. Story includes long debunked allegations of why the Ukrainian prosecutor was fired (not to protect Hunter Biden). No way to verify anything the Post reported, and no evidence they tried to verify anything.
2. Widely mocked by the rest of the press after seeing years of the same distortions. Why release now? Data apparently available (PDF metadata) for at least a year.
3. Backstory is preposterous - laptop held from April 2019 to December 2019 then handed over to FBI (subpoena never seen) and Giuliani (why?). Bannon filled the Post in about the story in September this year.
4. Story does not check out. Assertion that Joe Biden lied that he said his son Hunter never asked him about business in Ukraine. Email (likely fake as true given its chain of custody) has nothing to do with any allegation about why Joe Biden pushed to fire the prosecutor.
5. Who is the source of the disinformation? Parallels both Russian disinformation about Burisma (connected with impeachment), and Derkach, the Ukrainian parlementarian sanctioned by US for interfering in the 2020 election. No clear answer here.
I bet the person Joe was aiming at would care. That would be at least one.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:45 pmWho cares.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:37 pmYou think ole Joe could actually hit someone?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pmJoe could shoot someone on Avenue of The America’s and it won’t matter.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:26 pmThe seriousness of the allegations deserve a complete and thorough investigation. You can use the term colonoscopy because that is probably closer to the truth. Where are all those red flags? Why should i give a f**k if the press mocked it? Story does not check out?? where is as Lanny Davis would say... the poooof? Who is the source of the disinformation?? Hence the reason for the colonoscopy. Holy smokes Red you just bulldozed a big ole barge full of horse manure hoping that maybe there is a nugget of gold buried in the pile somewhere. The seriousness of the charges deserve a complete and thorough investigation by the proper legal controlling authorities. I am guessing if ole Joe wins this issue will be suddenly buried so deep it will rest right next to Jimmy Hoffa.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:15 pmold salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.https://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoint ... s-so-bogus5 Points On Why The New ‘Biden Emails’ Distortion Is So Bogus
Summary of article:
1. There are so many red flags - laptop full of stuff dropped off without leaving name/contact, never paid for. Story includes long debunked allegations of why the Ukrainian prosecutor was fired (not to protect Hunter Biden). No way to verify anything the Post reported, and no evidence they tried to verify anything.
2. Widely mocked by the rest of the press after seeing years of the same distortions. Why release now? Data apparently available (PDF metadata) for at least a year.
3. Backstory is preposterous - laptop held from April 2019 to December 2019 then handed over to FBI (subpoena never seen) and Giuliani (why?). Bannon filled the Post in about the story in September this year.
4. Story does not check out. Assertion that Joe Biden lied that he said his son Hunter never asked him about business in Ukraine. Email (likely fake as true given its chain of custody) has nothing to do with any allegation about why Joe Biden pushed to fire the prosecutor.
5. Who is the source of the disinformation? Parallels both Russian disinformation about Burisma (connected with impeachment), and Derkach, the Ukrainian parlementarian sanctioned by US for interfering in the 2020 election. No clear answer here.
Who knows. People are willing to die for Trump so my guess is Joe may have the same.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:52 pmI bet the person Joe was aiming at would care. That would be at least one.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:45 pmWho cares.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:37 pmYou think ole Joe could actually hit someone?Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pmJoe could shoot someone on Avenue of The America’s and it won’t matter.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:26 pmThe seriousness of the allegations deserve a complete and thorough investigation. You can use the term colonoscopy because that is probably closer to the truth. Where are all those red flags? Why should i give a f**k if the press mocked it? Story does not check out?? where is as Lanny Davis would say... the poooof? Who is the source of the disinformation?? Hence the reason for the colonoscopy. Holy smokes Red you just bulldozed a big ole barge full of horse manure hoping that maybe there is a nugget of gold buried in the pile somewhere. The seriousness of the charges deserve a complete and thorough investigation by the proper legal controlling authorities. I am guessing if ole Joe wins this issue will be suddenly buried so deep it will rest right next to Jimmy Hoffa.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:15 pmold salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.https://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoint ... s-so-bogus5 Points On Why The New ‘Biden Emails’ Distortion Is So Bogus
Summary of article:
1. There are so many red flags - laptop full of stuff dropped off without leaving name/contact, never paid for. Story includes long debunked allegations of why the Ukrainian prosecutor was fired (not to protect Hunter Biden). No way to verify anything the Post reported, and no evidence they tried to verify anything.
2. Widely mocked by the rest of the press after seeing years of the same distortions. Why release now? Data apparently available (PDF metadata) for at least a year.
3. Backstory is preposterous - laptop held from April 2019 to December 2019 then handed over to FBI (subpoena never seen) and Giuliani (why?). Bannon filled the Post in about the story in September this year.
4. Story does not check out. Assertion that Joe Biden lied that he said his son Hunter never asked him about business in Ukraine. Email (likely fake as true given its chain of custody) has nothing to do with any allegation about why Joe Biden pushed to fire the prosecutor.
5. Who is the source of the disinformation? Parallels both Russian disinformation about Burisma (connected with impeachment), and Derkach, the Ukrainian parlementarian sanctioned by US for interfering in the 2020 election. No clear answer here.
The facts on this have been out and acknowledged for a long time. Not sure what else is in question:Do a colonoscopy on Hunter Biden. The country needs to drag his ass out in front of the American people and investigate every single thing he did while in his position in Ukraine to make a chitload of money.
This really disappoints me. I like Scully as an interviewer & moderator. He was even handed & seemed to keep his views to himself.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:17 pm Steve Scully (D- CSPAN) just admitted he lied when he said his Twitter had been hacked.
Understand that people who had supported Steve had asked the FBI to investigate.
Understand also that Steve Scully is one of the supposed neutral journo's out there.
If Scully is a neutral journo, imagine how partisan the rest of the liberal birdbrains are.
Trump will and should make hay out of this complete breakdown of journalistic ethics. The system is rotten to the core, and every Democrat who says 'it's no biggie' is absolutely part of the problem.
Trump just picked up a million votes today.
Did Hunter Biden ever testify in front of any committee, under oath and under penalty of perjury? The seriousness of the allegations require that they be investigated to the fullest. Isn't that what committee's in congress love to do?ggait wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:19 pmThe facts on this have been out and acknowledged for a long time. Not sure what else is in question:Do a colonoscopy on Hunter Biden. The country needs to drag his ass out in front of the American people and investigate every single thing he did while in his position in Ukraine to make a chitload of money.
1. Of course Hunter got hired because of his last name. Same thing goes on in the Trump, Clinton, Obama, Bush clans.
2. #1 is not illegal. But sleazy and a conflict of interest. Hunter and Joe admit Hunter should not have done it.
3. Zero evidence Joe ever pulled any strings based on Hunter's side hussles.
4. Burisma was a sleazy corrupt company. Reason they hired Hunter was not to get favors from Joe. It was to try to project that they were cleaning up their act to make themselves more acceptable to western interests.
5. The thinking being that hiring the VP's son would send that kind of a signal. Sending a signal doesn't really require Hunter to actually do anything or know anything. Nice work if you can get it.
6. Obviously that thinking didn't work out that way for Burisma.
You don't think that this is classic fake news to make news?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:35 pmThis really disappoints me. I like Scully as an interviewer & moderator. He was even handed & seemed to keep his views to himself.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:17 pm Steve Scully (D- CSPAN) just admitted he lied when he said his Twitter had been hacked.
Understand that people who had supported Steve had asked the FBI to investigate.
Understand also that Steve Scully is one of the supposed neutral journo's out there.
If Scully is a neutral journo, imagine how partisan the rest of the liberal birdbrains are.
Trump will and should make hay out of this complete breakdown of journalistic ethics. The system is rotten to the core, and every Democrat who says 'it's no biggie' is absolutely part of the problem.
Trump just picked up a million votes today.
You think undecided voters will turn to Trump for honesty and a lack of corruption?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:51 pm Trump will pick up a tremendous number of votes as a result of this; it validates his oft-stated message that the media is corrupt and dishonest.
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:25 pmYou think undecided voters will turn to Trump for honesty and a lack of corruption?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:51 pm Trump will pick up a tremendous number of votes as a result of this; it validates his oft-stated message that the media is corrupt and dishonest.
Whoo, Pete....you're getting more entertaining as the election apporaches.....
Says the guy who thinks that:Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:35 pm It’s also about depressing their voters or motivating yours.
C’mon man, you literally are batting .0000 this week.
Selling to folks already sold:CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:24 pmYou don't think that this is classic fake news to make news?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.
Too soon to know. The NY Post story says the FBI has had the computer since Dec '19. They showed a copy of the Grand Jury subponea.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:24 pmYou don't think that this is classic fake news to make news?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.
The story is so ludicrous that the proponents of it have a long way to go before anyone should begin to take it seriously.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:30 pmToo soon to know. The NY Post story says the FBI has had the computer since Dec '19. They showed a copy of the Grand Jury subponea.CU88 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:24 pmYou don't think that this is classic fake news to make news?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:00 pmI'm waiting for detailed reporting which exposes the Russian connection or discredits, in detail, the NY Post story.
The MSM is either playing catch up or simply ignoring the story, while the tech oligarchs censor social media.
Rudy & the NY Post are both in NY. The shop owner is in DE. All (D) jurisdictions. Where are the NY & DE AG's on this ? Why are the NYT & WP not discrediting, in detail, the NY Post stories.
The Biden campaign's non-denial denial is carefully worded. It just says the meeting wasn't on Biden's calendar.
The DoJ & FBI are not confirming or denying anything. That's what you would expect if it's under investigation.
The info on the hard drive the NY Post has needs to be authenticated.
The shop owner said he reached out to Rudy because he didn't like that Trump was being impeached for looking into this.
If accurate, Rudy would not have had this when he was rummaging around Ukraine last summer.
If he had it then, he could have blown up the House impeachment hearings. Imagine what Jordan & Ratcliffe could have done with this.
This looks like a Bannon Oct surprise, just like making Clinton confront his victims before the debate in 2016.
Poor Trump. Can give it out but can't take it.Savannah Guthrie literally interrupts Trump with every answer.
bill -- don't know how much time you want to invest in this, but here's a 52 min interview with the shop owner which answers some of your tech questions, but leaves much of the rest unanswered.
CBS had a reporter at the Wed interview. CBS also floats a "hack & dump" theory.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-him.html
Independent Mac shop owner John Paul MacIsaac, 44, of Wilmington, Delaware, says he is person who turned over Hunter Biden's emails to the FBI and Giuliani
He says he did not initially realize who his customer was but as he entered his name grasped that he was 'famous'
Biden left three damaged laptops with MacIsaac in April 2019 but never came back for them
MacIsaac says 'personal information' was on 'messy' computer
Claims he became more fearful as summer 2019 drew on and Hunter's name appeared in the news
He offered two different accounts of whether he contacted the FBI or agents came to him - but handed over the laptop in December 2019
He kept a copy because he feared he would be killed by people who 'work for [Joe] Biden' and having it was 'protection'
MacIsaac refused to comment on how he came to be in touch with Rudy Giuliani
Who had the pics of Hunter stoned & in the bathtub ? Who did the dump on MacIssac, or is he in on it ?https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-bid ... york-post/
The U.S. intelligence community has warned for months that Russia is actively working to "denigrate" Biden by amplifying allegations of corruption, and experts have issued dire warnings that Russia could orchestrate a "hack and dump" operation similar to its effort to steal and release stolen Democratic emails in the runup to the 2016 election.
Moreover, Russian hackers are believed to have breached Burisma's systems earlier this year, and Giuliani himself has been tied to Ukrainian lawmaker acting as a Russian agent who has publicized private recordings of Biden speaking to Ukrainian officials in the past.
But as of now, there is no evidence that Russia was directly involved in obtaining or publicizing the alleged information on Hunter Biden's laptop. The Biden campaign has also offered no alternate explanation for how this alleged personal information came to light.
George Mesires, an attorney for Hunter Biden, did not immediately reply to a phone call and email seeking comment on Wednesday. But in a statement to the Post, he said Giuliani "has been pushing widely discredited conspiracy theories about the Biden family, openly relying on actors tied to Russian intelligence."
In August, an assessment by the U.S. intelligence community singled out the Ukrainian parliamentarian, Andriy Derkach, for "spreading claims about corruption — including through publicizing leaked phone calls — to undermine former Vice President Biden's candidacy and the Democratic Party."
The Treasury Department leveled sanctions against Derkach in September, describing him as an "active Russian agent" who has done the Kremlin's bidding for more than a decade. Derkach and Giuliani met in Ukraine last December at the height of the impeachment saga, as Giuliani worked to uncover damaging information about Hunter Biden.
In January, the cybersecurity firm Area 1 revealed Russian military operatives had launched a phishing attack against Burisma and accessed its systems. The extent of the breach was unclear, but the report said the attack "raises the spectre that this is an early warning of what we have anticipated since the successful cyberattacks undertaken during the 2016 U.S. elections."