All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[runrussellrun]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

[calourie]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

So I guess R3 doesn't "need no stinkin mask". Good to know.

[Typical Lax Dad]

icymi, sweden had a v good week with their case fatalities in relative terms.
their 4th week in a row after peak. by memory, it was:
680
477
550
~450
high 200s this week.
haven't seen whether extra protections at elder care facilities are working yet, or if the spread is decreasing as they do little testing (supposedly ramping!!). the last several weeks' icu numbers predicted a decline imo.

i continue to be interested in their outcomes as i thought for a long time we would be practicing sweden-like measures once we got out of our caves. with the attendant differences between cultures, yada.

gives me hope. thought the burn may be slower and it may still be and maybe jump some next week as this seems like too big a drop in a week or 2. we shall see.

We haven't heard much about Sweden recently. Here's how they are doing:

Deaths per million of population:

Italy 568
Sweden 484
France 451
USA 357
Germany 106
Denmark 103
Finland 59
Norway 45
Iceland 29

UW now projects 8,534 deaths by August 4. Which would be 845. Even if they don't get near that projection, I think we now know the results of their experiment.

and the deaths per million for those ages 40 years......and younger??????

exactly

open UP.....and say aaahhhh

Don't forget to put your mask on in public, R3, assuming you care about the more vulnerable among us.

The "vulnerable" shouldn't be OUT in public.......or, rather. What the heck.....is it really "living" sipping your own drool.......

Was there a pandemic in the late 60's,,,,,,?????

exactly

and suddenly, the entire world has to shut down because a handful of old people are dying????? So selfish ,the old are. Same crowd that allowed love canal, Nashua river, etc. awesomer.

we love mamee, taking care of grandma at the nursing home.....awesomer. We visit a few times a year. A few

You don’t need no stinking mask. Only people in old folk homes are susceptible.

[get it to x]

Looks like NYC is looking to bend the curve:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... -protests/

Are you kidding me? They are not going to ask anyone being contact traced whether they attended protests? Can't let facts get in the way of "social justice".

[seacoaster]

The President again says "If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”

Twitter responds by asking, if we don't issue death certificates, are we immortal? Moron at the helm.

[get it to x]

The President again says "If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”

Twitter responds by asking, if we don't issue death certificates, are we immortal? Moron at the helm.

I believe what the President is saying is that we are doing a lot of testing, so we'll have more positives. Nuance isn't your strong suit.

What I'm worried about is that Covid-19 is apparently able to distinguish potential hosts by political party.

"On Monday, Rep. Val Demings, a Florida Democrat rising up in the Joe Biden veepstakes, attended a massive “Healing and Hope” rally, where people were packed in like sardines. She told her Twitter followers she was there “to speak with our community as America grieves.”

But on Thursday, after President Trump announced he will return to the campaign trail, she said: “The president’s plan to hold mass rallies in Florida and elsewhere as we experience a resurgence in COVID cases is irresponsible and selfish.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders, a socialist from Vermont who failed a second time to win the Democratic presidential nomination, wrote Monday on Twitter: “Congratulations to all who are out on the streets today peacefully protesting. Together, we will end police brutality. Together, we will defeat Trump. Together, we will fight for a government based on justice and compassion, not greed and lies.”

But by Thursday, Sanders was singing a different tune, singling out Trump and the Republicans’ decision to hold its nominating convention in Florida.

“Trump wants 15,000 delegates cheering him at his GOP convention in Florida,” Sanders said. “No social distancing. His rejection of medical advice endangers not only those there but those they come in contact with. Trump’s a threat to the health and well-being of the country. He must be defeated.”

These are but a few of the mixed messages from Democrat politicians.

Were any of these protesters screened, like the GOP will apparently do at it's convention?

[dislaxxic]

I believe what the President is saying is that we are doing a lot of testing, so we'll have more positives. Nuance isn't your strong suit.

"I believe what the president is saying..."

Understanding issues isn't your strong suit. Of course, you're attempting to "understand" an issue as "explained" by Donald J. Bone Spurs.

Trump, from the day he wouldn't let that cruise ship dock in Florida to aid afflicted passengers, said "Why should we let them get off? It would make the numbers look SO MUCH WORSE!" What did you believe he was saying then?

"Tariffs on China are being paid for by China" What do you hear there, GITX?

"Mexico will pay for the Wall" Again...??

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.” Pretty clear. That's an actual quote, and you, and many in the Republic Party, hear "We'll have more positives". Unbelievable.

It's this "Power of Positive Thinking" thing...he, and his devotees, want to hear Happy Talk and make it their reality. It's ALL he's about...the whole branding thing. Trump's Rose Colored Glasses make him think he's the greatest thing since Sliced Bread. Only HE can fix it.

It's a CON, GITX. Classic. Make people believe you're something you're not. That you have answers and strategies to solve real issues, that you don't. Stop the Con.

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[Bart]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

[tech37]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

Here's more Bart:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

[ardilla secreta]

City Enters Phase 4 of Pretending Coronavirus is Over
https://local.theonion.com/city-enters- ... 1844037065

The reality of much of America

[jhu72]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

Definitely good news if it holds up to review.

[Bart]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

Here's more Bart:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Thanks, I did see that one as well. Interesting stuff. I will be looking forward to reading the study when it comes out.

It seems to make sense to me that if the cytokine influences on a wide range of organs are what is ultimately fatal to many patients, the ability to quiet those influences down and allow the immune system to reset would be beneficial. Time will tell but I think it is good news but that is just a gut feeling with out actually reading the paper and what/how it was done.

[wgdsr]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

Here's more Bart:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Thanks, I did see that one as well. Interesting stuff. I will be looking forward to reading the study when it comes out.

It seems to make sense to me that if the cytokine influences on a wide range of organs are what is ultimately fatal to many patients, the ability to quiet those influences down and allow the immune system to reset would be beneficial. Time will tell but I think it is good news but that is just a gut feeling with out actually reading the paper and what/how it was done.

let's hope some additional trials can show good results. there is a need for therapy particularly for those crashing in hospitals.
supposedly u.s. hospitals have already gotten standard of care for those on intubation substantially down re: deaths.

fwiw, i wouldn't trust these recovery guys any further than i could throw them. the trial designer had hcq as an arm and discontinued it. not determined yet whether the observed lack of efficacy was due to mistaking the prescribed dosage of hcq with hydroxyquinoline. ya know, bc they both start with hydroxy. design had them giving hundreds of patients potentially lethal doses bc landray thought it was the drug used for dysentery. 2400 mg in the 1st 24 hours, and safe levels maybe 10x higher! you can't make this stuff up.
http://www.francesoir.fr/amp/article/po ... ssion=true

[Bart]

The steroid dexamethosome appears to help severely ill patients requiring intubtion and oxygen therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 197420001/

If this hold out to be true then this is quite qood news. It is readily available and cheap.

Hypothesis it is quieting the cytokine storm that is problematic.

Here's more Bart:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

Thanks, I did see that one as well. Interesting stuff. I will be looking forward to reading the study when it comes out.

It seems to make sense to me that if the cytokine influences on a wide range of organs are what is ultimately fatal to many patients, the ability to quiet those influences down and allow the immune system to reset would be beneficial. Time will tell but I think it is good news but that is just a gut feeling with out actually reading the paper and what/how it was done.

let's hope some additional trials can show good results. there is a need for therapy particularly for those crashing in hospitals.
supposedly u.s. hospitals have already gotten standard of care for those on intubation substantially down re: deaths.

fwiw, i wouldn't trust these recovery guys any further than i could throw them. the trial designer had hcq as an arm and discontinued it. not determined yet whether the observed lack of efficacy was due to mistaking the prescribed dosage of hcq with hydroxyquinoline. ya know, bc they both start with hydroxy. design had them giving hundreds of patients potentially lethal doses bc landray thought it was the drug used for dysentery. 2400 mg in the 1st 24 hours, and safe levels maybe 10x higher! you can't make this stuff up.
http://www.francesoir.fr/amp/article/po ... ssion=true

That is why it will be important for the entire study to come out.

[ggait]

had they done a (much) better job of protecting the elderly, to date they'd be in much better shape.

WG -- I appreciate your thoughtful response. But it isn't convincing to me. After all, they have old people in the other Scandinavian countries too.

Yet Swedish deaths are 4.7X worse than Denmark. 8.2X worse than Finland. 10.8X worse than Norway. 16.7X worse than Iceland. And Sweden had some favorable characteristics/demographics as compared to their peers -- like an extremely high percentage of single person dwelling units (per Swedish custom).

The data is now also showing that Sweden's economy is taking about the same hit as their neighboring countries.

True we are still in the middle of the game. But Sweden is sooooo far behind its peers that they are not ever going to catch up. And they didn't get much/any economic benefit for their different path.

TLDR: Grade F.

[CU88]

Don't tell our Mayor Pete

Coronavirus: Florida sets record with 2,783 new COVID-19 cases; Duval County adds 80 cases, two deaths

https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20200 ... two-deaths

And these are just the cases as reported by the State, which is known to fudge the numbers...

[dislaxxic]

Numbnut Red States screw the pooch again:

Coronavirus Cases Surge In Alabama, South Carolina And Oklahoma

...and meanwhile, the Queen Harpy Calls Fauci the "Medical Deep State" and sez "get on with the rallies already!!"]

What a maroon. PB's sister, prolly...

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[wgdsr]

had they done a (much) better job of protecting the elderly, to date they'd be in much better shape.

WG -- I appreciate your thoughtful response. But it isn't convincing to me. After all, they have old people in the other Scandinavian countries too.

Yet Swedish deaths are 4.7X worse than Denmark. 8.2X worse than Finland. 10.8X worse than Norway. 16.7X worse than Iceland. And Sweden had some favorable characteristics/demographics as compared to their peers -- like an extremely high percentage of single person dwelling units (per Swedish custom).

The data is now also showing that Sweden's economy is taking about the same hit as their neighboring countries.

True we are still in the middle of the game. But Sweden is sooooo far behind its peers that they are not ever going to catch up. And they didn't get much/any economic benefit for their different path.

TLDR: Grade F.

go with whatever you think. not trying to convince you. my point is we may still be in the very early innings. countries now have a better blueprint, and you'd like to believe that they can take advantage of that.
maybe we'll get an effective therapy and then vaccine. maybe we won't. countries in the meantime will be pining to get back to a "new normal" and will execute, or will not.
not that i believe their models in the least, but as you may... at this time, uw has arizona going from approx 1,200 deaths now to over 7,400 by october 1st. things change.
sweden actually doesn't have any advantage with regard to single person dwelling vs. the peers you subscribe to them. here:
https://ourworldindata.org/living-alone
go to the 2nd chart down and add the countries that you'd like.

as far as economies go, that's a complete crapshoot right now. imo. i mean, a complete crapshoot. for what's coming this quarter and beyond, especially if this virus isn't snuffed out. that's not a defense of anything, and sweden may not have figured on being iced out as neighboring trade partners returned to form.

hindsight being 20/20, they may have done better also by isolating people who were returning from italy and spain and austria at the outset. but their plan was that the coronavirus wouldn't be solved (and wasn't as deadly... e.g. their projected 50-100k deaths) in time to prevent materially different outcomes. they may certainly end up being wrong on that, depending on the timetable, immunity, future country policies, etc. if immunity was ever in their original thinking (they denied it was), then that prospect is still up in the air.

if i were a betting man and had to do it today, i'd have to get on the side of them not doing as well as they could have, to prevent deaths vs lifestyle/economy, with their choices. and certainly i have hope that any one of a thousand hail mary's work out and that becomes the final prognosis. i've been much more interested in sweden as a prospective case for the u.s, and other countries, who are going to be more liberal in their preventative policies going forward. and ftr, i've thought for some time that on a per pop basis, the u.s.a. either may or will end up faring worse. haven't changed my mind on that yet.

[ardilla secreta]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Gov. Doug Ducey fires the scientists who warn he's making a mistake by reopening Arizona
Just hours after Gov. Ducey announced on Monday that he’s accelerating the reopening of parts of the state’s economy, state health officials told a team of university experts to stop working on models that project what will happen next.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion ... 175510002/

[Laxgunea]

Dexamethasone seems like a real success. Anyone know more about it? It's the BBCs top story today.