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bearlaxfan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:43 pm From twtter

Brown Athletics Receives University Approval to Move into Ivy Phase IV - Grateful for the work of so many to make this a reality and allow us the opportunity to get back on the field.

it's april.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

I believe the point is ivy league schools aren’t going to set policy to make sure sports are conducted. Essentially one rule for all. It’s not necessarily better. It’s just how it is.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:48 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

I believe the point is ivy league schools aren’t going to set policy to make sure sports are conducted. Essentially one rule for all. It’s not necessarily better. It’s just how it is.

Ok. Got it now. Seems silly if you purportedly have the resources to run a sports program during a pandemic as some have claimed.
I guess the rule was no outside activities and all classes on line? Sure simplifies things, but it also short changes many students who have talents beyond the classroom. Have a good friend whose daughter plays a fall sport at an Ivy. She is a freshman this year. They brought her and her teammates into dorms, during the fall season. All classes on line. No practice, etc. Second half of the year—now—she was sent home to do classes on line again. She opted out, missed a half year of school and hopes to go back when classes are in person and she can play her sport, which she loves. She was shortchanged.

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:48 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

I believe the point is ivy league schools aren’t going to set policy to make sure sports are conducted. Essentially one rule for all. It’s not necessarily better. It’s just how it is.

Ok. Got it now. Seems silly if you purportedly have the resources to run a sports program during a pandemic as some have claimed.
I guess the rule was no outside activities and all classes on line? Sure simplifies things, but it also short changes many students who have talents beyond the classroom. Have a good friend whose daughter plays a fall sport at an Ivy. She is a freshman this year. They brought her and her teammates into dorms, during the fall season. All classes on line. No practice, etc. Second half of the year—now—she was sent home to do classes on line again. She opted out, missed a half year of school and hopes to go back when classes are in person and she can play her sport, which she loves. She was shortchanged.

My guess is she will be fine. Hopefully there is a return to something more normal in the fall. Feel bad for the kids but I am not surprised. A lot of kids took the year off. If you can do it, I believe its better to try to get a more normal college experience by taking a gap year and doing something productive.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:13 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:48 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

I believe the point is ivy league schools aren’t going to set policy to make sure sports are conducted. Essentially one rule for all. It’s not necessarily better. It’s just how it is.

Ok. Got it now. Seems silly if you purportedly have the resources to run a sports program during a pandemic as some have claimed.
I guess the rule was no outside activities and all classes on line? Sure simplifies things, but it also short changes many students who have talents beyond the classroom. Have a good friend whose daughter plays a fall sport at an Ivy. She is a freshman this year. They brought her and her teammates into dorms, during the fall season. All classes on line. No practice, etc. Second half of the year—now—she was sent home to do classes on line again. She opted out, missed a half year of school and hopes to go back when classes are in person and she can play her sport, which she loves. She was shortchanged.

My guess is she will be fine. Hopefully there is a return to something more normal in the fall. Feel bad for the kids but I am not surprised. A lot of kids took the year off. If you can do it, I believe its better to try to get a more normal college experience by taking a gap year and doing something productive.

That would have been my choice (assuming the insight that Covid wasn't going to go away in the fall or winter)...there's lots of online educational work, much of it free, that a young person could have done that would advance them intellectually, and preserving the full college experience (including sports) for later. Heck, learn a programming language...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:42 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:13 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:58 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:48 am

CharmCityLaxMan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:14 am

faircornell wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:13 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:10 pm Cornell has achieved some of the lowest cost testing in the country by batch processing tests at their graduate school of veterinary medicine. Students are tested (at least) every two weeks and possibly more (I've lost track). It's not the money.

I didn't expect the Ivies to play. It's been an interesting season learning more about other conferences and teams who are actually playing.

Any athlete, parent or coach who gets involved with the league should understand that there is a limited prioritization of athletics.

You mean Ivy Athletes aren’t treated like other D1 athletes?

Never have been. I don't see the trend improving.

Me neither. Hopefully won't worsen!

Yup, some schools emphasize a handful of revenue sports and the spillover effects are good for the other sports they choose to field...most don't field nearly as many sports as do the Ivies. Different strokes...

CharmCity,
TLD was being sarcastic.

PS...if you test 6X a week for your football and/or basketball teams to be able to play and meet their TV contracts, are you going to not test the other teams 6X a week too?...fewer total athletes to test overall and way fewer as a % of student body, so a rational balancing...but if a school isn't concerned about TV revenue and has more athletes both numerically and as a %, and you have a 'no special treatment policy towards athletics', then the calculus changes to one of 'should we test ALL students 6X a week?'...or do you do what faircornell described across the board and simply focus on making sure the academic parts of the student experience happen as much without interruption as you can? Yup, the Ivies prioritize the academic aspects over other parts of student life. We can agree or disagree with their prioritization, but it's not likely to change much.

Personally, I think the Ivies could have made some different decisions, I just didn't expect them to do so.

Thanks. Appreciate the help. Let’s not blindly conclude that non-Ivys did not prioritize academics every bit as much as Ivys did. Looking at it as an either/or proposition might just be a rationalization. Some universities appear to have done an excellent job with both academics and keeping the athletic experience alive.

I believe the point is ivy league schools aren’t going to set policy to make sure sports are conducted. Essentially one rule for all. It’s not necessarily better. It’s just how it is.

Ok. Got it now. Seems silly if you purportedly have the resources to run a sports program during a pandemic as some have claimed.
I guess the rule was no outside activities and all classes on line? Sure simplifies things, but it also short changes many students who have talents beyond the classroom. Have a good friend whose daughter plays a fall sport at an Ivy. She is a freshman this year. They brought her and her teammates into dorms, during the fall season. All classes on line. No practice, etc. Second half of the year—now—she was sent home to do classes on line again. She opted out, missed a half year of school and hopes to go back when classes are in person and she can play her sport, which she loves. She was shortchanged.

My guess is she will be fine. Hopefully there is a return to something more normal in the fall. Feel bad for the kids but I am not surprised. A lot of kids took the year off. If you can do it, I believe its better to try to get a more normal college experience by taking a gap year and doing something productive.

That would have been my choice (assuming the insight that Covid wasn't going to go away in the fall or winter)...there's lots of online educational work, much of it free, that a young person could have done that would advance them intellectually, and preserving the full college experience (including sports) for later. Heck, learn a programming language...

A lot of athletes made that choice.

Not sure how all this shakes out, but a quick analysis from hearsay regarding the Yale program. The official Yale lax page lists 34 upper (sophomore-senior) classmen on the roster as of the beginning of the season as well as 11 first years introduced by coach Shay in Septenber. Word was that not enough lacrosse players stayed enrolled at the school (8 was the number I heard) to field a team even before the Ivy Admins closed the season for all spring sports, which means that 37 lacrosse players (in the event they are able to successfully reenroll) were essentially passively red-shirted. By passively I mean no team practices, but still able to work on their skills and training on their own or perhaps in small groups or with other players from other sources if the situation presented itself). What should result is that Yale lacrosse will have 37 players pass through their system over the next 4 years with an extra year to grow bigger and stronger, as well as work on the skills that they may have been lacking, an advantage which they (and other Ivies in similar situations) have never had before, and are unlikely to have again. Red-shirting is no stranger to many of the other collegiate lax powers who do it year in year out for various reasons and without the phasing out that Yale and the other Ivies will be subjected to, but that is a topic for another thread. Though I personally think the traditional Ivy restriction limiting redshirting to severe medical situations is league philosophy appropriate and not overly detrimental from a competitive standpoint, it will be interesting to see if this 4 year anomaly works out from a nationally competitive standpoint to the benefit of the Ivy programs like Yale who are able to take advantage of it.

I hope that you are correct, Calourie!

My worry is that the game experience of the top 10-15 teams this year my make the Ivies less competitive after a long layoff. Let's hope that your analysis is correct.

My hope is the same and I also believe that with Shay's much heightened focus on conditioning, eating, and skills development - as discussed in depth during the national championship season - will help out as well. If these kids are able to continue the workout programs and eating tracking over their redshirt period, they should - repeat should - come back in excellent condition.

Good points made above about some possible physical benefits to a 'virtual redshirt'. Having seen many athletes through the years I am also concerned about the impact that 'no competition' for this extended period of time has on them. Athletes lose their competitive edge, even if they aren't playing a sport for 4-5 months (out of season). This is why a lot of Spring sport athletes will continue to play basketball, hockey or wrestle all the way through winter. Competitve Edge is a muscle like anything else.

sanelaxparent wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:41 am Good points made above about some possible physical benefits to a 'virtual redshirt'. Having seen many athletes through the years I am also concerned about the impact that 'no competition' for this extended period of time has on them. Athletes lose their competitive edge, even if they aren't playing a sport for 4-5 months (out of season). This is why a lot of Spring sport athletes will continue to play basketball, hockey or wrestle all the way through winter. Competitve Edge is a muscle like anything else.

+1

Uncharted territory: we can imagine what it will look like, but we won't really know until we get there.

sanelaxparent wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:41 am Good points made above about some possible physical benefits to a 'virtual redshirt'. Having seen many athletes through the years I am also concerned about the impact that 'no competition' for this extended period of time has on them. Athletes lose their competitive edge, even if they aren't playing a sport for 4-5 months (out of season). This is why a lot of Spring sport athletes will continue to play basketball, hockey or wrestle all the way through winter. Competitve Edge is a muscle like anything else.

Apparently you haven’t heard of competitive games of “ass**le” that frequently occur on college campuses...

I never went to college. I went to work and ended up running 2 very profitable businesses. I have 5 kids that all went to the so called higher education. I have 2 points. First the Ives absolutely blew this. Mighty than all, but you all look like fools to have not let the kids play. 2nd point is kids make it in this world with hard work, not with what’s given to them. I would hire a CAA player over and ivy kid. kid.

Everyone says they’d hire a state school kid over a Ivy kid and yet what happens every year? One of the mathematical impossibilities in life based on my observation or else we’d have a serious Ivy alumnus homeless problem.

Neverplaydown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:22 pm I never went to college. I went to work and ended up running 2 very profitable businesses. I have 5 kids that all went to the so called higher education. I have 2 points. First the Ives absolutely blew this. Mighty than all, but you all look like fools to have not let the kids play. 2nd point is kids make it in this world with hard work, not with what’s given to them. I would hire a CAA player over and ivy kid. kid.

Nonsense - you'd interview both, evaluate their skills/experience, determine whether they pass the "beer" test and hire the one you felt was the best fit for the position. I do find it fascinating, though, that you think Ivy grads are unlikely to be hard workers ... or at least less hard-working than CAA kids.

Full disclosure: I graduated from a service academy and am one of the laziest SOBs around.

Nice.

smoova wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 pm

Neverplaydown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:22 pm I never went to college. I went to work and ended up running 2 very profitable businesses. I have 5 kids that all went to the so called higher education. I have 2 points. First the Ives absolutely blew this. Mighty than all, but you all look like fools to have not let the kids play. 2nd point is kids make it in this world with hard work, not with what’s given to them. I would hire a CAA player over and ivy kid. kid.

Nonsense - you'd interview both, evaluate their skills/experience, determine whether they pass the "beer" test and hire the one you felt was the best fit for the position. I do find it fascinating, though, that you think Ivy grads are unlikely to be hard workers ... or at least less hard-working than CAA kids.

Full disclosure: I graduated from a service academy and am one of the laziest SOBs around.

I’m a sucker for Service Academy (capital letters, always)
blokes, lazy or otherwise.

smoova wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 pm

Neverplaydown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:22 pm I never went to college. I went to work and ended up running 2 very profitable businesses. I have 5 kids that all went to the so called higher education. I have 2 points. First the Ives absolutely blew this. Mighty than all, but you all look like fools to have not let the kids play. 2nd point is kids make it in this world with hard work, not with what’s given to them. I would hire a CAA player over and ivy kid. kid.

Nonsense - you'd interview both, evaluate their skills/experience, determine whether they pass the "beer" test and hire the one you felt was the best fit for the position. I do find it fascinating, though, that you think Ivy grads are unlikely to be hard workers ... or at least less hard-working than CAA kids.

Full disclosure: I graduated from a service academy and am one of the laziest SOBs around.

I wonder what other group of people he would lump all together and not hire.