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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:34 pm There are serious surges of Covid-19 cases in many states, including Texas, Florida, and Arizona. Not good ....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

She's in California.
Which is again seeing rising cases...

I disagree about "virtue signaling", if you mean that pejoratively as so many do. I don't think we can fully control our distancing from others all the time, so wearing a mask is a positive contribution to public health if not one's own.

Yes, my wearing a mask also encourages you to wear a mask and so on, in aggregate good for us all.

That said, I quite agree that risk is much lower when outside and staying away from others.

I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:18 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

She's in California.
Which is again seeing rising cases...

I disagree about "virtue signaling", if you mean that pejoratively as so many do. I don't think we can fully control our distancing from others all the time, so wearing a mask is a positive contribution to public health if not one's own.

Yes, my wearing a mask also encourages you to wear a mask and so on, in aggregate good for us all.

That said, I quite agree that risk is much lower when outside and staying away from others.

I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

Since they are all under the age of 30, their chances of dying from Covid are somewhere between 0 and minus 0; their chances of even being symptomatic are less than 1%. Maybe a better way to virtue signal/slam a Republican (2-fer-1) is, gee I hope they don't go see their grandma because they could be asymptomatic carriers.

I hope no one tells MD how many maskless looters were runnin' 'round last two weeks. And some of them ain't under 30...

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing ... c-patients

6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:37 am What he said

https://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarlsonT ... 9034072883

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:50 am

6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:37 am What he said

https://www.facebook.com/TuckerCarlsonT ... 9034072883

Yeah, but that's OK because it is evil capitalism that's being stopped at all costs. Can any of our left leaning friends give me their preferred alternative to capitalism?

Also, where is the outrage from our same lefty friends, who get all "wee wee'd up" over mask wearing, to this? Minority neighborhoods most affected by destroyed testing locations for Covid-19? And yes, the Washington Post does occasionally report the news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/s ... story.html

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:00 am I was talking to my friend in Tucson today. Arizona has taken a relaxed stance in reopening. Masks are only a recommendation. The governor won’t wear one. Restaurants have reopened. 30% occupancy is merely a recommendation that doesn’t seem to be adhered to. Not working too well so far.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:56 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

I am just wondering HOW mdlaxfan would know what fellow dog owners were doing in April and May.

He made it VERY clear that he never left home, left the house. Which is the truth ?

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:20 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:56 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

I am just wondering HOW mdlaxfan would know what fellow dog owners were doing in April and May.

He made it VERY clear that he never left home, left the house. Which is the truth ?

We have been trying to take a nice walk every day since this started. We take our masks in case we want to go into a store. We have generally been walking the B&A Trail (Arnold, MD) from it's southern terminus near Winchester. The three of us (I have a 32 YO Autistic son) have been harangued (only by women, curiously) about the masks and the three of us not being sufficiently separated. This thing is really amplifying people's true nature. It would not surprise me in the least that these scolds were progressives, who really don't care about liberty, but do care about controlling others. The new nickname for these scolds is "Karens", like the moron who turned in the African American bird watcher in Central Park.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:17 am Can any coronavirus test tell how LONG a person has been infected?

Are the "increases" due to more testing, more kits available, rather than allowing US residents to do what they do best. work.

Remember, fecesbook is essential. Teachers, are not.

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

Where did I say that we weren't. That's why I oppose allowing the protests at this time.
They remain a serious threat to public health, at this time.

How did Newsom overlook the dog parks ?

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:54 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:17 am Can any coronavirus test tell how LONG a person has been infected?

Are the "increases" due to more testing, more kits available, rather than allowing US residents to do what they do best. work.

Remember, fecesbook is essential. Teachers, are not.

Two types of testing - virus direct tests and antibody serum tests. First one tells you if there are virus particles present (infected plus some positivity for a period of time after disease is over and body is still shedding virus particles). That is the one in AZ that is rising - faster than can be expected from just increasing testing rate (which has gone up there as well). You know you are testing "enough" when the test result is positive for well under 10% of tests done. (And ideally the total number of positives is also declining).

Antibody tests determine if you have at some point in the past had the virus and your body has created an effective response by producing the antibodies. Can only tell that you had the disease sometime in the past (or had an effective vaccine not yet developed).

Complicating the problem is some versions of the testing are not as accurate as the others. For direct virus tests, the type that get sent off and take 1-4 days for results tend to be highly accurate (only a couple of percent wrong result). The desktop test that got so touted early on with a 10-20 minute result (faster if positive, but took longer to assign negative) seems to early on got it wrong anywhere from 20%-45% of the time.

Antibody tests were allowed to be made/sold without the usual processes - some of them OK, some quite useless. Hopefully most of the bad ones are gone by now.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:02 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

Where did I say that we weren't. That's why I oppose allowing the protests at this time.
They remain a serious threat to public health, at this time.

How did Newsom overlook the dog parks ?

I have no idea about California, my hunch would be that dogs need to poop somewhere. As we have 40 acres for dogs to run on, it's not been something I've investigated.

I very much disagree about the protests, and felt that way even back when the protests were right wing 'open up' protests. I criticized bringing guns and Confederate flags and partisan campaign paraphernalia and definitely the apparent attitudes of so many of those protestors flaunting their disregard of wearing masks in the face of police as well as their knucklehead buddies...but not "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Even in a time of pandemic.

And I'm similarly critical of those who have not worn masks, especially as they yell in the faces of police, in these protests for racial justice. The big difference, of course, being that not wearing masks is not being used as itself a protest, just people too preoccupied with their emotions to care enough about others' health. But way, way higher % of these protestors are wearing masks.

Personally, I think wearing masks in public should be mandated during the pandemic, not optional. A fine. Like driving over the speed limit, it's really about the endangerment of others more than oneself.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:02 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:01 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:47 am I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?

Where did I say that we weren't. That's why I oppose allowing the protests at this time.
They remain a serious threat to public health, at this time.

How did Newsom overlook the dog parks ?

I have no idea about California, my hunch would be that dogs need to poop somewhere. As we have 40 acres for dogs to run on, it's not been something I've investigated.

I very much disagree about the protests, and felt that way even back when the protests were right wing 'open up' protests. I criticized bringing guns and Confederate flags and partisan campaign paraphernalia and definitely the apparent attitudes of so many of those protestors flaunting their disregard of wearing masks in the face of police as well as their knucklehead buddies...but not "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Even in a time of pandemic.

And I'm similarly critical of those who have not worn masks, especially as they yell in the faces of police, in these protests for racial justice. The big difference, of course, being that not wearing masks is not being used as itself a protest, just people too preoccupied with their emotions to care enough about others' health. But way, way higher % of these protestors are wearing masks.

Personally, I think wearing masks in public should be mandated during the pandemic, not optional. A fine. Like driving over the speed limit, it's really about the endangerment of others more than oneself.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:20 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:56 am

old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:21 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:22 pmShe contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

I am just wondering HOW mdlaxfan would know what fellow dog owners were doing in April and May.

He made it VERY clear that he never left home, left the house. Which is the truth ?

We have been trying to take a nice walk every day since this started. We take our masks in case we want to go into a store. We have generally been walking the B&A Trail (Arnold, MD) from it's southern terminus near Winchester. The three of us (I have a 32 YO Autistic son) have been harangued (only by women, curiously) about the masks and the three of us not being sufficiently separated. This thing is really amplifying people's true nature. It would not surprise me in the least that these scolds were progressives, who really don't care about liberty, but do care about controlling others. The new nickname for these scolds is "Karens", like the moron who turned in the African American bird watcher in Central Park.