All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

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How many 1 year olds to 30 year olds have DIED from V-19?

But, you'll be fine when the suicide numbers eclipse the covid deaths. You are so awesome

From the CDC, published early June. Provisional as data is incomplete, and total C-19 deaths in this sample just over 88,000. Total deaths a bit over a million.

Age/Covid-19 deaths/All deaths

Code: Select all

  <1         5       5,377
  1-4        3       1,048
  5-14      12       1,523
 15-24     106       9,442
 25-34     583      20,133
 35-44     1,524    28,975
 45-54     4,238    55,415
 55-64    10,586   131,405
 65-74    18,360   202,513
 75-84    23,612   252,786
  85+     29,214   322,182

Thanks.

This is my post, you are welcome

Thanks for the info.

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

you're not alone aFan- someone recently said i was racist against indians because i didnt respond to a post.

[runrussellrun]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

You literally just wrote, on another comment, with the challenge that suicide are increasing. "prove it", is your throwdown.

Why is that any different than me pointing out that literally hardly ANYONE, aged 1day to 40, IS dying, IS me not caring or taking it seriously?

It's not different. That's the point. You finally get it.

You are demanding proof from your fellow posters surrounding anything to do with this virus....and if we don't give you facts that are to your liking, you call it"Fear Porn".

And then you turn right around and say things that are unprovable....like your suicide stat. Peddling your own fear porn.

Oh no......I can prove the suicide stat. That is very real. VERY.....I could PM you, but...

[Typical Lax Dad]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

You literally just wrote, on another comment, with the challenge that suicide are increasing. "prove it", is your throwdown.

Why is that any different than me pointing out that literally hardly ANYONE, aged 1day to 40, IS dying, IS me not caring or taking it seriously?

It's not different. That's the point. You finally get it.

You are demanding proof from your fellow posters surrounding anything to do with this virus....and if we don't give you facts that are to your liking, you call it"Fear Porn".

And then you turn right around and say things that are unprovable....like your suicide stat. Peddling your own fear porn.

I spent time with my wife’s cousin last summer who was working on a study of military suicides for the pentagon. It is devastating. Don’t know why Russell thinks we can’t work on more than one issue at a time.

[Peter Brown]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

you're not alone aFan- someone recently said i was racist against indians because i didnt respond to a post.

Wait, I thought the Fanlax rule was if you don't reply, you're guilty.

[runrussellrun]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

you're not alone aFan- someone recently said i was racist against indians because i didnt respond to a post.

nope....AFAN accused me of not caring two hoots about old people dying, in a RESPONSE

[ChairmanOfTheBoard]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

you're not alone aFan- someone recently said i was racist against indians because i didnt respond to a post.

Wait, I thought the Fanlax rule was if you don't reply, you're guilty.

while we are on the topic. the battle cry these days is if you're not with us, you're against.

so i'd pose the question- if i support the BLM movement, but don't act in the manner they want, am i the problem.

different thread perhaps...

[Peter Brown]

Again, STOP with shoving words down people throats. Show me where I ever said old people dying don't count.

Show us where we said we don't give a peep about suicides. Stop shoving words down people's throats.

you're not alone aFan- someone recently said i was racist against indians because i didnt respond to a post.

Wait, I thought the Fanlax rule was if you don't reply, you're guilty.

while we are on the topic. the battle cry these days is if you're not with us, you're against.

so i'd pose the question- if i support the BLM movement, but don't act in the manner they want, am i the problem.

different thread perhaps...

You're toast if that is the case! Forced speech and rules rigidity is what tripped up so many in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, and it's doing the same here today. If you think you'll be the last to be eaten, think again!

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[RedFromMI]

How about a modification to my data by adding a percentage of deaths:

From the CDC, published early June. Provisional as data is incomplete, and total C-19 deaths in this sample just over 88,000. Total deaths a bit over a million.

Age/Covid-19 deaths/All deaths/% all deaths

Code: Select all

  <1         5       5,377      0.093
  1-4        3       1,048      0.29
  5-14      12       1,523      0.79
 15-24     106       9,442      1.1
 25-34     583      20,133      2.9
 35-44     1,524    28,975     5.3
 45-54     4,238    55,415     7.7
 55-64    10,586   131,405     8.1
 65-74    18,360   202,513     9.1
 75-84    23,612   252,786     9.3
  85+     29,214   322,182     9.1

As you can see, the relative risk of dying increases much quicker with age than the absolute totals. In fact for roughly the age of 45 or so up, the increased death chance from COVID is not that much different.

[Typical Lax Dad]

How about a modification to my data by adding a percentage of deaths:

From the CDC, published early June. Provisional as data is incomplete, and total C-19 deaths in this sample just over 88,000. Total deaths a bit over a million.

Age/Covid-19 deaths/All deaths/% all deaths

Code: Select all

  <1         5       5,377      0.093
  1-4        3       1,048      0.29
  5-14      12       1,523      0.79
 15-24     106       9,442      1.1
 25-34     583      20,133      2.9
 35-44     1,524    28,975     5.3
 45-54     4,238    55,415     7.7
 55-64    10,586   131,405     8.1
 65-74    18,360   202,513     9.1
 75-84    23,612   252,786     9.3
  85+     29,214   322,182     9.1

As you can see, the relative risk of dying increases much quicker with age than the absolute totals. In fact for roughly the age of 45 or so up, the increased death chance from COVID is not that much different.

Thanks.

[seacoaster]

Meanwhile, in Brazil:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/worl ... tw-nytimes

"The threats are swirling around the president: Deaths from the virus in Brazil each day are now the highest in the world. Investors are fleeing the country. The president, his sons and his allies are under investigation. His election could even be overturned.

The crisis has grown so intense that some of the most powerful military figures in Brazil are warning of instability — sending shudders that they could take over and dismantle Latin America’s largest democracy.

But far from denouncing the idea, President Jair Bolsonaro’s inner circle seems to be clamoring for the military to step into the fray. In fact, one of the president’s sons, a congressman who has praised the country’s former military dictatorship, said a similar institutional break was inevitable.

“It’s no longer an opinion about if, but when this will happen,” the president’s son, Eduardo Bolsonaro, recently told a prominent Brazilian blogger, warning of what he called a looming “rupture” in Brazil’s democratic system.

The standoff traces an ominous arc for Brazil, a country that shook off military rule in the 1980s and built a thriving democracy in its wake. Within two decades, Brazil had come to represent the energy and promise of the developing world, with a booming economy and the right to host the World Cup and the Olympics.

Since then, its economy has faltered, corruption scandals have toppled or ensnared many of its leaders and an impeachment battle ousted its powerful leftist government.

Mr. Bolsonaro, a former Army captain, stepped into this tumult, celebrating the country’s military past and promising to restore order. But he has come under blistering criticism for downplaying the virus, sabotaging isolation measures and cavalierly presiding over one of the highest death tolls in the world, saying, “We are sorry for all the dead, but that’s everyone’s destiny.”

He, his family and his supporters are also being pursued on allegations like abuse of power, corruption and illegally spreading misinformation. Yet nearly half of his cabinet is made up of military figures, and now, critics contend, he is relying on the threat of military intervention to ward off challenges to his presidency.

A retired general in Mr. Bolsonaro’s cabinet, Augusto Heleno, the national security adviser, shook the nation in May when he warned of “unpredictable consequences for national stability” after the Supreme Court let an inquiry into Mr. Bolsonaro’s supporters move forward.

Another general, the defense minister, swiftly endorsed the provocation, while Mr. Bolsonaro lashed out as well, suggesting that the police ignore the “absurd orders” of the court.

“This is destabilizing the country, right during a pandemic,” said Sergio Moro, the former justice minister who broke with Mr. Bolsonaro in April, of the threats of military intervention. “It is reprehensible. The country does not need to be living with this type of threat.”

Political leaders and analysts say that a military intervention remains unlikely. Even so, the possibility is hanging over the nation’s democratic institutions, which are scrutinizing Mr. Bolsonaro and his family on multiple fronts.

Two of the president’s sons are under investigation for the kind of disinformation and defamation campaigns that helped get their father elected in 2018, and late last month the federal police raided several properties tied to influential allies of Mr. Bolsonaro. The Superior Electoral Court, which oversees elections, has the authority to use evidence from the inquiry to annul the election and remove Mr. Bolsonaro from office.

Two of his sons are also under investigation for corruption, and the Supreme Court recently authorized an inquiry into allegations that Mr. Bolsonaro tried to replace the federal police chief in order to protect his family and friends.

Even the president’s handling of the pandemic is under legal threat: On Monday, a Supreme Court justice ordered the government to stop suppressing data on Brazil’s surging death toll.

The threats of military intervention have incited a broad backlash, even from some senior members of the armed forces. And General Heleno, the national security adviser, later said he that did not support a coup, contending he was misunderstood."

[RedFromMI]

America Is Giving Up on the Pandemic

Businesses are reopening. Protests are erupting nationwide. But the virus isn’t done with us.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ic/612796/

Americans may wish the virus to be gone, but it is not. While the outbreak has eased in the Northeast, driving down the overall national numbers, cases have only plateaued in the rest of the country, and they appear to be on the rise in recent days in COVID Tracking Project data. Twenty-two states reported 400 or more new cases Friday, and 14 other states and Puerto Rico reported cases in the triple digits. Several states—including Arizona, North Carolina, and California—are now seeing their highest numbers of known cases.

These numbers all reflect infections that likely began before this week of protest. An even larger spike now seems likely. Put another way: If the country doesn’t see a substantial increase in new COVID-19 cases after this week, it should prompt a rethinking of what epidemiologists believe about how the virus spreads.

But as the pandemic persists, more and more states are pulling back on the measures they’d instituted to slow the virus. The Trump administration’s Coronavirus Task Force is winding down its activities. Its testing czar is returning to his day job at the Department of Health and Human Services. As the long, hot summer of 2020 begins, the facts suggest that the U.S. is not going to beat the coronavirus. Collectively, we slowly seem to be giving up. It is a bitter and unmistakably American cruelty that the people who might suffer most are also fighting for justice in a way that almost certainly increases their risk of being infected.

[Typical Lax Dad]

America Is Giving Up on the Pandemic

Businesses are reopening. Protests are erupting nationwide. But the virus isn’t done with us.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ic/612796/

Americans may wish the virus to be gone, but it is not. While the outbreak has eased in the Northeast, driving down the overall national numbers, cases have only plateaued in the rest of the country, and they appear to be on the rise in recent days in COVID Tracking Project data. Twenty-two states reported 400 or more new cases Friday, and 14 other states and Puerto Rico reported cases in the triple digits. Several states—including Arizona, North Carolina, and California—are now seeing their highest numbers of known cases.

These numbers all reflect infections that likely began before this week of protest. An even larger spike now seems likely. Put another way: If the country doesn’t see a substantial increase in new COVID-19 cases after this week, it should prompt a rethinking of what epidemiologists believe about how the virus spreads.

But as the pandemic persists, more and more states are pulling back on the measures they’d instituted to slow the virus. The Trump administration’s Coronavirus Task Force is winding down its activities. Its testing czar is returning to his day job at the Department of Health and Human Services. As the long, hot summer of 2020 begins, the facts suggest that the U.S. is not going to beat the coronavirus. Collectively, we slowly seem to be giving up. It is a bitter and unmistakably American cruelty that the people who might suffer most are also fighting for justice in a way that almost certainly increases their risk of being infected.

This is a quote that sums it up: The virus "does what it's supposed to do — find a host and replicate," one expert said.

[youthathletics]

America Is Giving Up on the Pandemic

Businesses are reopening. Protests are erupting nationwide. But the virus isn’t done with us.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ic/612796/

Americans may wish the virus to be gone, but it is not. While the outbreak has eased in the Northeast, driving down the overall national numbers, cases have only plateaued in the rest of the country, and they appear to be on the rise in recent days in COVID Tracking Project data. Twenty-two states reported 400 or more new cases Friday, and 14 other states and Puerto Rico reported cases in the triple digits. Several states—including Arizona, North Carolina, and California—are now seeing their highest numbers of known cases.

These numbers all reflect infections that likely began before this week of protest. An even larger spike now seems likely. Put another way: If the country doesn’t see a substantial increase in new COVID-19 cases after this week, it should prompt a rethinking of what epidemiologists believe about how the virus spreads.

But as the pandemic persists, more and more states are pulling back on the measures they’d instituted to slow the virus. The Trump administration’s Coronavirus Task Force is winding down its activities. Its testing czar is returning to his day job at the Department of Health and Human Services. As the long, hot summer of 2020 begins, the facts suggest that the U.S. is not going to beat the coronavirus. Collectively, we slowly seem to be giving up. It is a bitter and unmistakably American cruelty that the people who might suffer most are also fighting for justice in a way that almost certainly increases their risk of being infected.

Hospitalization rate has been trending downward for the last month. That is a positive. So then ask why and figure out what changed. Any ideas?

[RedFromMI]

America Is Giving Up on the Pandemic

Businesses are reopening. Protests are erupting nationwide. But the virus isn’t done with us.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... ic/612796/

Americans may wish the virus to be gone, but it is not. While the outbreak has eased in the Northeast, driving down the overall national numbers, cases have only plateaued in the rest of the country, and they appear to be on the rise in recent days in COVID Tracking Project data. Twenty-two states reported 400 or more new cases Friday, and 14 other states and Puerto Rico reported cases in the triple digits. Several states—including Arizona, North Carolina, and California—are now seeing their highest numbers of known cases.

These numbers all reflect infections that likely began before this week of protest. An even larger spike now seems likely. Put another way: If the country doesn’t see a substantial increase in new COVID-19 cases after this week, it should prompt a rethinking of what epidemiologists believe about how the virus spreads.

But as the pandemic persists, more and more states are pulling back on the measures they’d instituted to slow the virus. The Trump administration’s Coronavirus Task Force is winding down its activities. Its testing czar is returning to his day job at the Department of Health and Human Services. As the long, hot summer of 2020 begins, the facts suggest that the U.S. is not going to beat the coronavirus. Collectively, we slowly seem to be giving up. It is a bitter and unmistakably American cruelty that the people who might suffer most are also fighting for justice in a way that almost certainly increases their risk of being infected.

Hospitalization rate has been trending downward for the last month. That is a positive. So then ask why and figure out what changed. Any ideas?

The down is dominated by the large infection rates NY/NJ hiding the up in AZ/NC/TX, etc.

[old salt]

She contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

[DocBarrister]

There are serious surges of Covid-19 cases in many states, including Texas, Florida, and Arizona. Not good ....

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Meanwhile, in Brazil:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/worl ... tw-nytimes

"The threats are swirling around the president: Deaths from the virus in Brazil each day are now the highest in the world. Investors are fleeing the country. The president, his sons and his allies are under investigation. His election could even be overturned.

The crisis has grown so intense that some of the most powerful military figures in Brazil are warning of instability — sending shudders that they could take over and dismantle Latin America’s largest democracy.

But far from denouncing the idea, President Jair Bolsonaro’s inner circle seems to be clamoring for the military to step into the fray. In fact, one of the president’s sons, a congressman who has praised the country’s former military dictatorship, said a similar institutional break was inevitable.

“It’s no longer an opinion about if, but when this will happen,” the president’s son, Eduardo Bolsonaro, recently told a prominent Brazilian blogger, warning of what he called a looming “rupture” in Brazil’s democratic system.

The standoff traces an ominous arc for Brazil, a country that shook off military rule in the 1980s and built a thriving democracy in its wake. Within two decades, Brazil had come to represent the energy and promise of the developing world, with a booming economy and the right to host the World Cup and the Olympics.

Since then, its economy has faltered, corruption scandals have toppled or ensnared many of its leaders and an impeachment battle ousted its powerful leftist government.

Mr. Bolsonaro, a former Army captain, stepped into this tumult, celebrating the country’s military past and promising to restore order. But he has come under blistering criticism for downplaying the virus, sabotaging isolation measures and cavalierly presiding over one of the highest death tolls in the world, saying, “We are sorry for all the dead, but that’s everyone’s destiny.”

He, his family and his supporters are also being pursued on allegations like abuse of power, corruption and illegally spreading misinformation. Yet nearly half of his cabinet is made up of military figures, and now, critics contend, he is relying on the threat of military intervention to ward off challenges to his presidency.

A retired general in Mr. Bolsonaro’s cabinet, Augusto Heleno, the national security adviser, shook the nation in May when he warned of “unpredictable consequences for national stability” after the Supreme Court let an inquiry into Mr. Bolsonaro’s supporters move forward.

Another general, the defense minister, swiftly endorsed the provocation, while Mr. Bolsonaro lashed out as well, suggesting that the police ignore the “absurd orders” of the court.

“This is destabilizing the country, right during a pandemic,” said Sergio Moro, the former justice minister who broke with Mr. Bolsonaro in April, of the threats of military intervention. “It is reprehensible. The country does not need to be living with this type of threat.”

Political leaders and analysts say that a military intervention remains unlikely. Even so, the possibility is hanging over the nation’s democratic institutions, which are scrutinizing Mr. Bolsonaro and his family on multiple fronts.

Two of the president’s sons are under investigation for the kind of disinformation and defamation campaigns that helped get their father elected in 2018, and late last month the federal police raided several properties tied to influential allies of Mr. Bolsonaro. The Superior Electoral Court, which oversees elections, has the authority to use evidence from the inquiry to annul the election and remove Mr. Bolsonaro from office.

Two of his sons are also under investigation for corruption, and the Supreme Court recently authorized an inquiry into allegations that Mr. Bolsonaro tried to replace the federal police chief in order to protect his family and friends.

Even the president’s handling of the pandemic is under legal threat: On Monday, a Supreme Court justice ordered the government to stop suppressing data on Brazil’s surging death toll.

The threats of military intervention have incited a broad backlash, even from some senior members of the armed forces. And General Heleno, the national security adviser, later said he that did not support a coup, contending he was misunderstood."

This is what happens when you elect a corrupt, vulgar, narcissistic, callous, lying, incompetent piece of trash to the presidency. Bolsonaro is the Donald Trump of Brazil.

DocBarrister

[ardilla secreta]

I was talking to my friend in Tucson today. Arizona has taken a relaxed stance in reopening. Masks are only a recommendation. The governor won’t wear one. Restaurants have reopened. 30% occupancy is merely a recommendation that doesn’t seem to be adhered to. Not working too well so far.

[MDlaxfan76]

She contrasted that with the behavior she sees at the dog park. In April and May most of the fellow dog owners were wearing masks, she says now it's down to about 25%.

Dog parks in most of MD were closed Apr & May.
She needs to find a better dog park or hang with smarter people.
Were they maintaining SD ? If yes, masking is just virtue signalling.

This time of year I go 7:00 to 8:30 pm for the shade. In the 13 days since they reopened, I've never seen more than 10 people in a huge open area enclosure. Everbody maintains more than SD, without being harangued or shamed. Send her to AACo.

She's in California.
Which is again seeing rising cases...

I disagree about "virtue signaling", if you mean that pejoratively as so many do. I don't think we can fully control our distancing from others all the time, so wearing a mask is a positive contribution to public health if not one's own.

Yes, my wearing a mask also encourages you to wear a mask and so on, in aggregate good for us all.

That said, I quite agree that risk is much lower when outside and staying away from others.

I don't agree that we're not seeing lots and lots of clusters of those who seem oblivious. Did you see our VP's picture of his campaign staff yesterday?