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seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:59 am Hoax?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ince-june/

"As rates of coronavirus infections ease in places such as New York and Illinois and onetime hot spots move into new phases of reopening, parts of the country that had previously avoided being hit hard by the outbreak are now tallying record-high new infections.."

Emergency COVID-19 measures prevented more than 500 million infections, study finds

Emergency health measures implemented in six major countries have “significantly and substantially slowed” the spread of the novel coronavirus, according to research from a UC Berkeley team published today in the journal Nature. The findings come as leaders worldwide struggle to balance the enormous and highly visible economic costs of emergency health measures against their public health benefits, which are difficult to see.

In the first peer-reviewed analysis of local, regional and national policies, the researchers found that travel restrictions, business and school closures, shelter-in-place orders and other non-pharmaceutical interventions averted roughly 530 million COVID-19 infections across the six countries in the study period ending April 6. Of these infections, 62 million would likely have been “confirmed cases,” given limited testing in each country.

Continuation of these policies after the study period has likely avoided many millions more infections, according to lead author Solomon Hsiang, director of Berkeley’s Global Policy Laboratory and Chancellor’s Professor at the Goldman School of Public Policy.

“The last several months have been extraordinarily difficult, but through our individual sacrifices, people everywhere have each contributed to one of humanity’s greatest collective achievements,” Hsiang said. “I don’t think any human endeavor has ever saved so many lives in such a short period of time. There have been huge personal costs to staying home and canceling events, but the data show that each day made a profound difference. By using science and cooperating, we changed the course of history.”

The study evaluated 1,717 policies implemented in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States in the period extending from the emergence of the virus in January to April 6, 2020. The analysis was carried out by Hsiang and an international, multi-disciplinary team at the Global Policy Laboratory, all working under shelter-in-place restrictions.

Recognizing the historic challenge and potential impact of the pandemic, “everyone on our team dropped everything they were doing to work on this around the clock,” said Hsiang.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:17 am

Emergency COVID-19 measures prevented more than 500 million infections, study finds

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/08/em ... udy-finds/

(from the University of California-Berkeley)

Emergency health measures implemented in six major countries have “significantly and substantially slowed” the spread of the novel coronavirus, according to research from a UC Berkeley team published today in the journal Nature. The findings come as leaders worldwide struggle to balance the enormous and highly visible economic costs of emergency health measures against their public health benefits, which are difficult to see.

In the first peer-reviewed analysis of local, regional and national policies, the researchers found that travel restrictions, business and school closures, shelter-in-place orders and other non-pharmaceutical interventions averted roughly 530 million COVID-19 infections across the six countries in the study period ending April 6. Of these infections, 62 million would likely have been “confirmed cases,” given limited testing in each country.

Continuation of these policies after the study period has likely avoided many millions more infections, according to lead author Solomon Hsiang, director of Berkeley’s Global Policy Laboratory and Chancellor’s Professor at the Goldman School of Public Policy.

“The last several months have been extraordinarily difficult, but through our individual sacrifices, people everywhere have each contributed to one of humanity’s greatest collective achievements,” Hsiang said. “I don’t think any human endeavor has ever saved so many lives in such a short period of time. There have been huge personal costs to staying home and canceling events, but the data show that each day made a profound difference. By using science and cooperating, we changed the course of history.”

The study evaluated 1,717 policies implemented in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France and the United States in the period extending from the emergence of the virus in January to April 6, 2020. The analysis was carried out by Hsiang and an international, multi-disciplinary team at the Global Policy Laboratory, all working under shelter-in-place restrictions.

Recognizing the historic challenge and potential impact of the pandemic, “everyone on our team dropped everything they were doing to work on this around the clock,” said Hsiang.

A substantial fraction of the world's population saved from infection, and if you assume a 1% death rate approximately 5 million deaths prevented.

get it to x wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:14 am (omitted original post quote)

Stats can be intentionally or unintentionally misleading. If I were going to gather data that was useful for people who have not taken statistics or econometrics courses (and passed them), here is what I would want to know:

1) How many people have the virus?
2) How many of those people became symptomatic?
3) How many of the symptomatic cases were mild and how many were severe?
4) How many of the severe cases required hospitalization?
5) How many of those cases required mechanical ventilation?
6) How many confirmed deaths from the virus?

I believe question 6 is the most unknowable of the questions, as I honestly believe some flu deaths as well as natural causes deaths for people with the virus but little or no symptoms are being classified as Covid deaths. This is because of perverse financial incentives for medical providers to intentionally classify non-Covid deaths as Covid. Rumor has it a gunshot victim tested positive and they classified his death as Covid related. Not sure if it's true but it would not surprise me in the least.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:25 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:14 am (omitted original post quote)

Stats can be intentionally or unintentionally misleading. If I were going to gather data that was useful for people who have not taken statistics or econometrics courses (and passed them), here is what I would want to know:

1) How many people have the virus?
2) How many of those people became symptomatic?
3) How many of the symptomatic cases were mild and how many were severe?
4) How many of the severe cases required hospitalization?
5) How many of those cases required mechanical ventilation?
6) How many confirmed deaths from the virus?

I believe question 6 is the most unknowable of the questions, as I honestly believe some flu deaths as well as natural causes deaths for people with the virus but little or no symptoms are being classified as Covid deaths. This is because of perverse financial incentives for medical providers to intentionally classify non-Covid deaths as Covid. Rumor has it a gunshot victim tested positive and they classified his death as Covid related. Not sure if it's true but it would not surprise me in the least.

It is quite easy and normal after the fact to go back and look at excess deaths - and assign them with a high degree of confidence to the pandemic virus. It is because you are using large numbers that this estimate is both possible and if done correctly reasonably accurate.

Misclassifying a small number of cases will not affect that measurement. And in fact the financial incentives have a pretty good disincentive not to overreport data - later fraud charges. So that will not likely skew any statistics in a large way.

And the fact is 6 is perhaps on of the EASIER questions to answer because you can use those statistics in your favor.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:57 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:18 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:21 am The rest of us? 99.99 percent of us.......

.......were fine. Are fine. Testing positive for v-19 equals death?

This what I mean by "all in". Without solid scientific evidence, you're ASSUMING that Covid is no bid deal, based on Covid statistics that I think we can all agree are far from perfect. "We're fine", as you put it.

all you hypocrites, especially the ones that have stuffed a parent in an "ASSisted" living space, all the while YOU live in a 4 to 5 thousand square foot home , constantly want to ignore the youth of this nation. Wanna take a stab at how many teens are suicidal , as compared to last year at this time.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:57 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:18 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:21 am The rest of us? 99.99 percent of us.......

.......were fine. Are fine. Testing positive for v-19 equals death?

This what I mean by "all in". Without solid scientific evidence, you're ASSUMING that Covid is no bid deal, based on Covid statistics that I think we can all agree are far from perfect. "We're fine", as you put it.

AFAN, you have a penchant for stuffing words......just stop.

V-19....far from NOT being a big deal. It is a HUGE deal, for certain demographics. And we know who they are.

all you hypocrites, especially the ones that have stuffed a parent in an "ASSisted" living space, all the while YOU live in a 4 to 5 thousand square foot home , constantly want to ignore the youth of this nation. Wanna take a stab at how many teens are suicidal , as compared to last year at this time.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:45 pm [
Yes. This is what you get when you rush. People have been developing drugs and vaccines for decades, all of a sudden we realize they have been lazy and lackadaisical getting things to market. After all this time, I thought they were being rigorous.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:50 am This is just a question as I don't know how we're not either all in or all out.
D-in-law went to S. Carolina for a few days, she says masks are not a thing
down there. Bars and restaurants open.
Son went to Texas a couple of weeks back, same thing, bars open, masks
not really a thing.
I went to NYC a few days back, masks are huge and it's all taken very seriously.
Even if you're one who doesn't feel as if they're a necessity, you'd wear one in
The Big Apple. Here in the Cuse bars and restaurants are still closed, pretty
much everyone wearing masks in grocery stores and others that are open.
How can we have so many different practices for one pandemic (to say nothing
of the protesters)?

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:57 am

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:57 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:18 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:21 am The rest of us? 99.99 percent of us.......

.......were fine. Are fine. Testing positive for v-19 equals death?

This what I mean by "all in". Without solid scientific evidence, you're ASSUMING that Covid is no bid deal, based on Covid statistics that I think we can all agree are far from perfect. "We're fine", as you put it.

AFAN, you have a penchant for stuffing words......just stop.

V-19....far from NOT being a big deal. It is a HUGE deal, for certain demographics. And we know who they are.

all you hypocrites, especially the ones that have stuffed a parent in an "ASSisted" living space, all the while YOU live in a 4 to 5 thousand square foot home , constantly want to ignore the youth of this nation. Wanna take a stab at how many teens are suicidal , as compared to last year at this time.

You're whining because every 1st world nation on the planet had lock downs for a disease that is still less that 6 months old in the US. We're not sure about anything when it comes to this disease.....because it's less than a year old.

But you, as it is with all subjects, you know everything there is to know about this disease. And if anyone disputes your unquestionable understanding of this virus and suggests America takes any other path but the one you want, we're being hypocrites or whatever other names you want to throw our way.

Meanwhile, Arizona hospitals are within a hair of being overwhelmed this very day. F them, right? RRR has this all figured out, and they're just being a bunch of pansies....they should open up the State even more.

CU88 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:00 am The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. '

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of D-K.jpgability.

CU88 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:00 am The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. '

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and come from the inability of people to recognize their lack of D-K.jpgability.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:18 pm How to you go from keeping the world open to the demographic that does not die from V-19 back to normal, to me knowing it all? You have been chiming is as MR. KING know it all, assured by your feces book friends, for quite some time now.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:18 pm Arizona hospitals on the "edge", or hair as you call it, this very day? Prove it. Please, I beg you.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:50 am This is just a question as I don't know how we're not either all in or all out.
D-in-law went to S. Carolina for a few days, she says masks are not a thing
down there. Bars and restaurants open.
Son went to Texas a couple of weeks back, same thing, bars open, masks
not really a thing.
I went to NYC a few days back, masks are huge and it's all taken very seriously.
Even if you're one who doesn't feel as if they're a necessity, you'd wear one in
The Big Apple. Here in the Cuse bars and restaurants are still closed, pretty
much everyone wearing masks in grocery stores and others that are open.
How can we have so many different practices for one pandemic (to say nothing
of the protesters)?

CU88 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:29 am As of Monday, at least 109,000 citizens in the United States have died of covid-19, with more than 1.95 million cases of the virus reported.

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:42 pm

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:18 pm How to you go from keeping the world open to the demographic that does not die from V-19 back to normal, to me knowing it all? You have been chiming is as MR. KING know it all, assured by your feces book friends, for quite some time now.

I have said the same freaking thing this entire time. I haven't blamed Trump or a single governor for "doing it wrong".

I have said: we're working with incomplete information about a virus that's less than a year old, and there are no right answers.

How in the Fing world is this "know it all". Um, how is me pointing out that Johns Hopkins/Bloomie/ Bill Gates and event 201 agree with me, that we should NOT shut things down.........coming across as a know it all ? Write back at you, afan.

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:18 pm Arizona hospitals on the "edge", or hair as you call it, this very day? Prove it. Please, I beg you.

Here ya go. Please, give us your spin about how this is just no big deal, and I'm a hypocrite for not wanting my fellow Americans to die from this stupid virus.

State health director tells Arizona hospitals to 'fully activate' emergency plans

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... _azcentral

runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:59 pm

CU88 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:29 am As of Monday, at least 109,000 citizens in the United States have died of covid-19, with more than 1.95 million cases of the virus reported.

And also, as of Monday, W. H. O. (World Health Organizaton ) clearly stated that asymptomatic people do NOT spread the disease

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... pread-who/

Less than 24 hours later.......W. H. O. backtracks.

What gives?


Go aheard.....follow their advice, or not. Don't think it ever really mattered. , W.H.O's recommendations.

Which, again, AGAIN..........clearly stated to NOT close travel/business' down.

at this point, most of you are siding with the folks that thought CApt. Columbus would sail write off the edge of the earth.....