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As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

Surprised Foy has Princeton @ #2 seed in his braketology today. No way I'd put them ahead of Georgetown when they didn't even make the ILT. I get the head-to-head win, but a 5th place conference finish should count for something.

My prediction: G'Town loses in their conference championship; in an unbelievable shocker, JHU makes a run in the B10 tourney, beating first Maryland and then OSU. B10 ends up with 4 bids, and Hopkins' run ends up shutting Cornell out of the tourney...again. Hopkins loses by 27 in the first round of the tourney to Jacksonville.

Just kidding...I hope.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

The link that was posted earlier, https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/men ... -year.aspx, was to the Ivy League web site, which just has names of places after the players' names. It doesn't name the schools they're from. So, MDlaxfan76, how did you determine the schools?

OTOH, if the place names are home towns, it's probably a stretch to assume the student played all their high-school lacrosse there. Families move, and players go to prep schools for various reasons.

IIRC, Rob Pannell initially committed to Hofstra, but then a relative suggested he could do better. So, Rob went to prep school for a year, and then Cornell recruited him. The rest is history.

Ezra White wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 2:37 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

The link that was posted earlier, https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/men ... -year.aspx, was to the Ivy League web site, which just has names of places after the players' names. It doesn't name the schools they're from. So, MDlaxfan76, how did you determine the schools?

OTOH, if the place names are home towns, it's probably a stretch to assume the student played all their high-school lacrosse there. Families move, and players go to prep schools for various reasons.

IIRC, Rob Pannell initially committed to Hofstra, but then a relative suggested he could do better. So, Rob went to prep school for a year, and then Cornell recruited him. The rest is history.

FWIW Pannell originally committed to Quinnipiac

Ezra White wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 2:37 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

The link that was posted earlier, https://ivyleague.com/news/2022/5/4/men ... -year.aspx, was to the Ivy League web site, which just has names of places after the players' names. It doesn't name the schools they're from. So, MDlaxfan76, how did you determine the schools?

OTOH, if the place names are home towns, it's probably a stretch to assume the student played all their high-school lacrosse there. Families move, and players go to prep schools for various reasons.

IIRC, Rob Pannell initially committed to Hofstra, but then a relative suggested he could do better. So, Rob went to prep school for a year, and then Cornell recruited him. The rest is history.

Not exactly a mystery.
I know multiple of the kids and follow the MIAA as well as the Ivies.
So, when kids choose to go north to the Ivies, I'm usually aware.
For instance, I'd expect Yale's Jack Stuzin to make this list next year. Wouldn't have been surprised if he'd be on the list this year, given stellar freshman season.

And if you want to confirm the school, all the colleges include that info in each player's bio.
I had to confirm the player from Severn, though I thought that's where he went.

I think there's 3 IAC players from the DC area as well. Not the same league, though.

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm Surprised Foy has Princeton @ #2 seed in his braketology today. No way I'd put them ahead of Georgetown when they didn't even make the ILT. I get the head-to-head win, but a 5th place conference finish should count for something.

My prediction: G'Town loses in their conference championship; in an unbelievable shocker, JHU makes a run in the B10 tourney, beating first Maryland and then OSU. B10 ends up with 4 bids, and Hopkins' run ends up shutting Cornell out of the tourney...again. Hopkins loses by 27 in the first round of the tourney to Jacksonville.

Just kidding...I hope.

Thank goodness he didn't put ND in with an At Large bid.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... ting/59539

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm Surprised Foy has Princeton @ #2 seed in his braketology today. No way I'd put them ahead of Georgetown when they didn't even make the ILT. I get the head-to-head win, but a 5th place conference finish should count for something.

My prediction: G'Town loses in their conference championship; in an unbelievable shocker, JHU makes a run in the B10 tourney, beating first Maryland and then OSU. B10 ends up with 4 bids, and Hopkins' run ends up shutting Cornell out of the tourney...again. Hopkins loses by 27 in the first round of the tourney to Jacksonville.

Just kidding...I hope.

Sweet baby kernel corn!! What a joke. Unless the committee members are static (and even then the sample is too forking small) this is one of the most egregious misapplications of machine learning I’ve seen yet:

“I studied it extensively the first two years and found the Committee’s Top 10 data did not improve my machine-learning projections and, in fact, made them slightly worse.”

Who are these idiots? Did they study statistics? Or just use an “app”?

Oh well, just a lacrosse article so I guess I should temper my expectations…

Welcome Back, Ivy lacrosse: https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/college/ ... missed-you

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

Didn't mean to disrespect the MIAA! As I said, I didn't fully research that point.

I hope you'd agree that the data is interesting. Sure, geography accounts for some of the New England athletes, but if an MIAA kid wants a prestigious education and isn't interested in Hopkins, Princeton and Penn are closer than UVA, and Yale is closer than Raleigh/Durham and South Bend. Long Island kids basically have to leave home to marry top flight education and lacrosse. Chaminade is closer to Harvard, Princeton, Penn and Yale than it is to the entire ACC. Malvern Prep is closer to Yale, Princeton and Penn than all ACC schools except Virginia. Anyway, my point -- which I know is anathema to Baltimore and Long Island folks -- is that the New England kids seem to punch above their weight/recruiting rank in the Ivies.

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 4:51 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:24 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 11:55 am As a biased New Englander, I was happy to see the geographic breakdown of the All Ivy selections. Based on the home towns listed in the league’s press release – which seem like a pretty accurate reflection of where they played HS ball – the boys from north of NYC did pretty well for themselves. I didn’t do the research on this statement, but off the top of my head, I think that New England’s share of the All Ivy selections is higher than its share of the overall Ivy rosters. In other words, they may not fare as well in recruiting, but they perform at a high level once they matriculate. In particular, the ISL has four alums on the list, which may be the highest All Ivy representation of any HS league in the country. (Again, without doing the research.)

The other two facts that jump out from this data are: (1) Upstate NY had no representatives on the list; and (2) the Academic All Ivy list is very heavily weighted toward NE with 43% representation and 29% from the ISL alone.

All Ivy Players by Region
New England - 10 (23%)
Maryland - 7 (16%)
Long Island - 7 (14%)
NJ - 6 (16%)
Penn - 2 (5%)
Calif - 2 (5%)
Other - 10 (23%)
Total: 44

nope, there are 5 from the MIAA alone.
Two from Gilman, one each from Boy's Latin, McDonogh, and Severn.
Small region.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)... seriously, we'd expect lots of New England kids, much less NY and PA, to populate these teams, given proximity.

Didn't mean to disrespect the MIAA! As I said, I didn't fully research that point.

I hope you'd agree that the data is interesting. Sure, geography accounts for some of the New England athletes, but if an MIAA kid wants a prestigious education and isn't interested in Hopkins, Princeton and Penn are closer than UVA, and Yale is closer than Raleigh/Durham and South Bend. Long Island kids basically have to leave home to marry top flight education and lacrosse. Chaminade is closer to Harvard, Princeton, Penn and Yale than it is to the entire ACC. Malvern Prep is closer to Yale, Princeton and Penn than all ACC schools except Virginia. Anyway, my point -- which I know is anathema to Baltimore and Long Island folks -- is that the New England kids seem to punch above their weight/recruiting rank in the Ivies.

No worries, but I don't really agree re "punch above their weight"...I'd expect tons of New England kids on Ivy teams and some number of them to be outstanding players..it's always been thus, certainly as long as I've paid attention which is some 50 years..

But of course lots of New York, PA, and NJ as well. The #'s are simply large.

You're right that Penn and PU are a bit closer to Baltimore and Annapolis than Charlottesville, much less UNC or Duke...but south is a serious attraction for those who aren't used to playing in the snow for the first part of the season. And as a parent, traveling south from Baltimore would be considerably easier than what we did going north... Of course, I'm saying that as someone who chose Dartmouth over UVA, which was my other best option, and whose son went and played at Harvard instead of going south! So, I totally buy into the attraction of the Ivies.

I'm just saying that the perspective on weather is definitely different as you go south...after all, the darn game is supposed to get played in front of pretty gals in tank tops!

Seriously, I'm impressed with how many outstanding players are from non-traditional hotbeds.

ICGrad wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:22 pm Surprised Foy has Princeton @ #2 seed in his braketology today. No way I'd put them ahead of Georgetown when they didn't even make the ILT. I get the head-to-head win, but a 5th place conference finish should count for something.

My prediction: G'Town loses in their conference championship; in an unbelievable shocker, JHU makes a run in the B10 tourney, beating first Maryland and then OSU. B10 ends up with 4 bids, and Hopkins' run ends up shutting Cornell out of the tourney...again. Hopkins loses by 27 in the first round of the tourney to Jacksonville.

Just kidding...I hope.

No one takes Terry Foy seriously. I am sure that he is a nice person, but his opinions always seem to reflect whatever the trendy info was two weeks ago.

Beautiful spring New England weekend in store for the tourney: 48-52 with showers Friday evening, 52, overcast, 20mph winds Sunday noon.
Who can keep unforced TOs to a minimum?

Random question, but anyone know if there’s a reason the #1 seed in the ILT plays in the second semi? Looks like the Big East and America East do this too.

MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:03 pm Random question, but anyone know if there’s a reason the #1 seed in the ILT plays in the second semi? Looks like the Big East and America East do this too.

probably viewership for the top team and 2 hours doesn't matter at all 2 days away. but just spitballing.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:21 pm

MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:03 pm Random question, but anyone know if there’s a reason the #1 seed in the ILT plays in the second semi? Looks like the Big East and America East do this too.

probably viewership for the top team and 2 hours doesn't matter at all 2 days away. but just spitballing.

Ha! I agree about the two hours not making a difference. My testudinal brethren generally disagree with me on that.

Funny I was thinking the opposite. 2nd game will end no earlier than 10:30pm--final at Noon on Sunday, probably the tightest turnaround any team will see this year in D-1 lacrosse. If Penn wins, they're back at their hotel around midnight? Maybe I'm just too old and can't remember how easy recovery is for these guys.

MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:03 pm Random question, but anyone know if there’s a reason the #1 seed in the ILT plays in the second semi? Looks like the Big East and America East do this too.

My gut tells me that if the host team, who we assume will obviously have the largest, crowd were to lose, then many fans may not feel it neccessary to stay around for the next game, especially if the weather is lousy.

I know that if I were at Schoelkopf and the weather was its usual awful self, and Cornell just got beat, that I probably would opt for heading to my local craft brewery to start drowning my sorrows.
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When the tourney was hosted by Columbia University, the top seed (Yale in 2018, Penn in 2019) played in the first semi-final, which in 2022 has been reversed.

I'd say that Oregon is overrepresented (but deservedly!)

Shout out to Oregon lacrosse. It is a small group of players but our top players are pretty good. Nice to see them get recruited and perform well at the next level.