Race in America - Riots Explode in Chicago

[MDlaxfan76]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

What would you call the looters who invaded you friends business in MN ?

how about "looters"?
works for me.

[a fan]

Turns out there was indeed more than met the eye with the mass resignations in Buffalo.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/ex ... C8ylrlb0EA



Attention Republicans: are you starting to see the massive opportunity you have to help clean up policing in America? How many more times do you need to see the word "Union"???

This is indeed something that is going to be interesting...are Dems going to buck the idea of 'unions'?

This is indeed a case where union power creates an immensely deleterious impact. And has for decades.

There's talk, from Dems, of defunding police departments. Until unions agree to give up their protection of officers getting canned for brutality?

And how does that play out?

Seems to me, you defund the existing police department, with notice of 'now hiring' for the new police department, applications welcome...reviewing existing police applications for past patterns...pay more for good cops, hire more...

But will Dems be willing to admit that unions in what are essentially monopoly situations a bad idea? Education?

Or will the unions adapt and give up some of these controls?

This would indeed an opportunity for the GOP, conducive to earlier ideological views, if they just weren't so embedded demographically in a white power structure and been so dependent upon the 'southern strategy'.

Hey! Some Republicans get it! Nice job, MDlax.

Any other Republicans figuring this out? Naaaah. What you should do is keep talking about looting, and ignore a golden opportunity to actually fix the problem.

[RedFromMI]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

It is a mechanism for changing the subject. Then the conversation is steered toward something it was not originally - what to do about those few bad police apples. Instead it becomes about how bad the people who are protesting really are, so they can be dismissed and the original problem is still there but now ignored.

The whole point of the protesting is to make the power structures in the country understand that it needs to pay attention and make positive changes.

So in that context - everything Trump has said about the killing is that everyone needs to do better. Nothing more - no plans on how to make that happen. And then the change in subject.

An utter LACK of leadership - which is one of the most consistent characteristics of the current president.

It's a mechanism for focusing on the actual damages done & the ulterior motives of those encouraging & rationalizing the destructive, deadly rioting & looting.

You are assuming ulterior motives not necessarily even evident, and I am assuming a small number of criminals taking advantage of a situation they have no real part of, but can infiltrate. That is both for looters who come from the 'hood and the white nationalists converging on the scene to make further trouble. And again - how does focusing on the "looters" as if they are representative of the protesters fix the problem rather than exacerbate it?

Law enforcement is not really helping itself if it makes itself enemies of more people than before. There are a lot of the "protesters" who are not African American who understand that the problem needs to be fixed. And that the backwards steps taken by the current administration to take sides with the most strict elements of the police has actually made the problem worse.

[old salt]

NYPD's John Miller on the tactics being used by organized anarchist groups :

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n ... e/2440722/

New York's top terrorism official says there's evidence that members of anarchist groups from outside the city intentionally planned to incite violence at protests calling for justice in the death of George Floyd.

Deputy Commissioner for Intelligence and Counterterrorism John Miller said there is a high level of confidence within the NYPD that these unnamed groups had organized scouts, medics, and supply routes of rocks, bottles and accelerants for breakaway groups to commit vandalism and violence. There are strong indicators they planned for violence in advance using at times encrypted communications, he said.

One out of every seven arrests, of 686 so far since May 28, has been people from out of state, according to Miller. He said those arrested came from Massachusettes, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Iowa, Nevada, Virginia, Maryland, Texas and St. Paul, Minnesota.

The fact remains that the majority of those arrested were locals. Some like Mayor de Blasio's daughter were arrested for "unlawful assembly," and others were arrested for acts of violence.

"Before the protests began, organizers of certain anarchists groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police," Miller said.

He added, "They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities."

Without specifying who "they" are, Miller said the agitators "developed a complex network of bicycle scouts to move ahead of demonstrators in different directions of where police were and where police were not for purposes of being able to direct groups from the larger group to places where they could commit acts of vandalism including the torching of police vehicles and Molotov cocktails where they thought officers would not be."

Mayor Bill de Blasio said Sunday morning that the members of the anarchist movement plan together online and that "they have explicit rules, and we're going to make all this information available today and in the days ahead."

Among the out-of-area instigators were two sisters from upstate New York. They were detained after one threw a Molotov cocktail at a police van. The woman who threw the Molotov cocktail will face federal charges from prosecutors in Brooklyn, law enforcement source said.

[old salt]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

What would you call the looters who invaded you friends business in MN ?

how about "looters"?
works for me.

A few bad actors.
Some rioters become looters. Others break windows & protesters become looters.
That's why they bring hammers & crow bars to the riot & pick up stones, pre-staged bricks or pry up pavement stones.

[MDlaxfan76]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

What would you call the looters who invaded you friends business in MN ?

how about "looters"?
works for me.

Some rioters become looters. Others break windows & protesters become looters.
That's why they bring hammers & crow bars to the riot & pick up stones, pre-staged bricks or pry up pavement stones.

and some are just expressing outrage, while others have a much darker agenda, either leftist anarchist or white supremacists, both trying to incite violence.

Gets complicated.

So far, the folks who have been arrested, whether FBI or local, for actual organized efforts to incite violence have all been boogaloo boys.

My guess is that there's some left wing anarchists involved as well as these right wing nut jobs.

But when we talk about looting, "looters" suffices.
Some of the looting appears organized, though, so that looks more like street gangs to me.

[old salt]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

It is a mechanism for changing the subject. Then the conversation is steered toward something it was not originally - what to do about those few bad police apples. Instead it becomes about how bad the people who are protesting really are, so they can be dismissed and the original problem is still there but now ignored.

The whole point of the protesting is to make the power structures in the country understand that it needs to pay attention and make positive changes.

So in that context - everything Trump has said about the killing is that everyone needs to do better. Nothing more - no plans on how to make that happen. And then the change in subject.

An utter LACK of leadership - which is one of the most consistent characteristics of the current president.

It's a mechanism for focusing on the actual damages done & the ulterior motives of those encouraging & rationalizing the destructive, deadly rioting & looting.

You are assuming ulterior motives not necessarily even evident, and I am assuming a small number of criminals taking advantage of a situation they have no real part of, but can infiltrate. That is both for looters who come from the 'hood and the white nationalists converging on the scene to make further trouble. And again - how does focusing on the "looters" as if they are representative of the protesters fix the problem rather than exacerbate it?

Law enforcement is not really helping itself if it makes itself enemies of more people than before. There are a lot of the "protesters" who are not African American who understand that the problem needs to be fixed. And that the backwards steps taken by the current administration to take sides with the most strict elements of the police has actually made the problem worse.

So the organized anarchists & organized criminal gangs that John Miller described in NYC are white supremacists ?
Look closer at the video clips of looters carrying stuff out of stores & point out the white supremacist group members for us.

[MDlaxfan76]

Turns out there was indeed more than met the eye with the mass resignations in Buffalo.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/ex ... C8ylrlb0EA



Attention Republicans: are you starting to see the massive opportunity you have to help clean up policing in America? How many more times do you need to see the word "Union"???

This is indeed something that is going to be interesting...are Dems going to buck the idea of 'unions'?

This is indeed a case where union power creates an immensely deleterious impact. And has for decades.

There's talk, from Dems, of defunding police departments. Until unions agree to give up their protection of officers getting canned for brutality?

And how does that play out?

Seems to me, you defund the existing police department, with notice of 'now hiring' for the new police department, applications welcome...reviewing existing police applications for past patterns...pay more for good cops, hire more...

But will Dems be willing to admit that unions in what are essentially monopoly situations a bad idea? Education?

Or will the unions adapt and give up some of these controls?

This would indeed an opportunity for the GOP, conducive to earlier ideological views, if they just weren't so embedded demographically in a white power structure and been so dependent upon the 'southern strategy'.

Hey! Some Republicans get it! Nice job, MDlax.

Any other Republicans figuring this out? Naaaah. What you should do is keep talking about looting, and ignore a golden opportunity to actually fix the problem.

It's perversely ironic.

[RedFromMI]

The two officers in Buffalo who pushed over the non-violent 75 year old protester were charged today with 2nd degree assault. And it seems that at least some of the 57 officers who resigned en masse from the special squad they were on were doing so because their own police union told them they would no longer cover their liability.

[old salt]

So far, the folks who have been arrested, whether FBI or local, for actual organized efforts to incite violence have all been boogaloo boys.

My guess is that there's some left wing anarchists involved as well as these right wing nut jobs.

That's a sweeping assertion. Proof ? Links ? The Boogaloo bois weren't mentioned in that John Millier report I linked above.

Who cares if they're L or R wing ? They're hiding among the protesters & need to be stopped.

[RedFromMI]

(omitted for brevity)

So the organized anarchists & organized criminal gangs that John Miller described in NYC are white supremacists ?
Look closer at the video clips of looters carrying stuff out of stores & point out the white supremacist group members for us.

Not necessarily - but there has been the presence and activity of white supremicists in various cities. They are not the ones carrying out items (looting) but have been, in some places, starting up the processes of breaking barriers and windows. Their motives seem to be to start up trouble that will be blamed on the others present who actually carry out the goods.

[MDlaxfan76]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

It is a mechanism for changing the subject. Then the conversation is steered toward something it was not originally - what to do about those few bad police apples. Instead it becomes about how bad the people who are protesting really are, so they can be dismissed and the original problem is still there but now ignored.

The whole point of the protesting is to make the power structures in the country understand that it needs to pay attention and make positive changes.

So in that context - everything Trump has said about the killing is that everyone needs to do better. Nothing more - no plans on how to make that happen. And then the change in subject.

An utter LACK of leadership - which is one of the most consistent characteristics of the current president.

It's a mechanism for focusing on the actual damages done & the ulterior motives of those encouraging & rationalizing the destructive, deadly rioting & looting.

You are assuming ulterior motives not necessarily even evident, and I am assuming a small number of criminals taking advantage of a situation they have no real part of, but can infiltrate. That is both for looters who come from the 'hood and the white nationalists converging on the scene to make further trouble. And again - how does focusing on the "looters" as if they are representative of the protesters fix the problem rather than exacerbate it?

Law enforcement is not really helping itself if it makes itself enemies of more people than before. There are a lot of the "protesters" who are not African American who understand that the problem needs to be fixed. And that the backwards steps taken by the current administration to take sides with the most strict elements of the police has actually made the problem worse.

So the organized anarchists & organized criminal gangs that John Miller described in NYC are white supremacists ?
Look closer at the video clips of looters carrying stuff out of stores & point out the white supremacist group members for us.

I just described the groups involved.

So far, the only ones arrested for inciting violence have been boogaloo boys. White supremacists.

But it would appear that there are left wing nut job anarchists as well..and certainly some street gangs being opportunistic in the looting.

And some, yes, mad as hell, not going to take it any more, outraged folks who lose control.

But most of the protestors are none of the above. A vast majority are not.

And where they've been met with respect and empathy from the power structure, they've been allies in preventing violence and destruction and looting too.

That's the path forward.

[old salt]

Turns out there was indeed more than met the eye with the mass resignations in Buffalo.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/ex ... C8ylrlb0EA



Attention Republicans: are you starting to see the massive opportunity you have to help clean up policing in America? How many more times do you need to see the word "Union"???

This is indeed something that is going to be interesting...are Dems going to buck the idea of 'unions'?

This is indeed a case where union power creates an immensely deleterious impact. And has for decades.

There's talk, from Dems, of defunding police departments. Until unions agree to give up their protection of officers getting canned for brutality?

And how does that play out?

Seems to me, you defund the existing police department, with notice of 'now hiring' for the new police department, applications welcome...reviewing existing police applications for past patterns...pay more for good cops, hire more...

But will Dems be willing to admit that unions in what are essentially monopoly situations a bad idea? Education?

Or will the unions adapt and give up some of these controls?

This would indeed an opportunity for the GOP, conducive to earlier ideological views, if they just weren't so embedded demographically in a white power structure and been so dependent upon the 'southern strategy'.

Hey! Some Republicans get it! Nice job, MDlax.

Any other Republicans figuring this out? Naaaah. What you should do is keep talking about looting, and ignore a golden opportunity to actually fix the problem.

It's perversely ironic.

...actually fix the problem.

[MDlaxfan76]

So far, the folks who have been arrested, whether FBI or local, for actual organized efforts to incite violence have all been boogaloo boys.

My guess is that there's some left wing anarchists involved as well as these right wing nut jobs.

That's a sweeping assertion. Proof ? Links ? The Boogaloo bois weren't mentioned in that John Millier report I linked above.

Who cares if they're L or R wing ? They're hiding among the protesters & need to be stopped.

John Miller?

I agree that it does not matter whether those inciting violence are left or right, they "need to be stopped".

Best way to do that is for the protestors to identify them and ostracize them...which is happening.

But since you ask for "proof":

https://www.businessinsider.com/3-booga ... acy-2020-6

Same story, additional details:

This was an FBI operation. It’s the only arrests made to date of actual ‘anarchist’ types.

There have been a bunch of other videos that have had the violent ‘protestors' in them identified, then tracked back to right wing racist groups.
But that one is an actual FBI arrest.

Same right wing racist group “boogaloo boys" has had others arrested, but by local law enforcement, eg https://www.wistv.com/2020/06/05/rcsd-s ... -arrested/

The federal authorities as well as Twitter have also identified some hate groups that have been posing online as Antifa etc: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech/ant ... index.html

Opportunists. Same for the left wing anarchists…it’s not that they’re so pissed off about racial justice, they just want violence for violence’s sake, to tear down the system. Capitalism and globalism are their target.

My sense is there are some really bad actors from both the whacko left and the whacko right that both want chaos, though for perhaps a bit different ideological reasons…but what they have in common is that both want to tear down the government and the system.

The legitimate protests and legitimate hot emotions provide cover for the ‘whacko' incitement of violence.

And then of course there are the organized looters and other opportunists.

[RedFromMI]

So far, the folks who have been arrested, whether FBI or local, for actual organized efforts to incite violence have all been boogaloo boys.

My guess is that there's some left wing anarchists involved as well as these right wing nut jobs.

That's a sweeping assertion. Proof ? Links ? The Boogaloo bois weren't mentioned in that John Millier report I linked above.

Who cares if they're L or R wing ? They're hiding among the protesters & need to be stopped.

Yes. Which means that the task for law enforcement changes. You cannot have police telling Proud Boys on the side to get out of the way because tear gas is coming or mindlessly clearing out areas and making mass arrests. You are spending your resources on the wrong thing then.

Better to acknowledge the protesters and their grievances and be an observant part of the protest looking for the criminal element - or focusing the emphasis on guiding the protests to places like parks or other open areas where they can gather and away from stores and other areas of concern for looting.

[MDlaxfan76]

Turns out there was indeed more than met the eye with the mass resignations in Buffalo.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/ex ... C8ylrlb0EA



Attention Republicans: are you starting to see the massive opportunity you have to help clean up policing in America? How many more times do you need to see the word "Union"???

This is indeed something that is going to be interesting...are Dems going to buck the idea of 'unions'?

This is indeed a case where union power creates an immensely deleterious impact. And has for decades.

There's talk, from Dems, of defunding police departments. Until unions agree to give up their protection of officers getting canned for brutality?

And how does that play out?

Seems to me, you defund the existing police department, with notice of 'now hiring' for the new police department, applications welcome...reviewing existing police applications for past patterns...pay more for good cops, hire more...

But will Dems be willing to admit that unions in what are essentially monopoly situations a bad idea? Education?

Or will the unions adapt and give up some of these controls?

This would indeed an opportunity for the GOP, conducive to earlier ideological views, if they just weren't so embedded demographically in a white power structure and been so dependent upon the 'southern strategy'.

Hey! Some Republicans get it! Nice job, MDlax.

Any other Republicans figuring this out? Naaaah. What you should do is keep talking about looting, and ignore a golden opportunity to actually fix the problem.

It's perversely ironic.

...actually fix the problem.

Not sure what you are saying...do you agree that both the Dems and GOP find themselves in an awkward spot?

The GOP normally would be all in for curtailing union power...but they're so in the bag on the whole Blue Line, Law and Order, militarism...and yes, southern strategy, white demographic, they can't bring themselves to do it.

and the Dems have an over soft spot with unions...yikes.

It seems obvious to me how it needs to be fixed, but the parties have themselves a bit of a conundrum...perhaps this moment in history will unlock it.

[RedFromMI]

(omitted)

My sense is there are some really bad actors from both the whacko left and the whacko right that both want chaos, though for perhaps a bit different ideological reasons…but what they have in common is that both want to tear down the government and the system.

The legitimate protests and legitimate hot emotions provide cover for the ‘whacko' incitement of violence.

And then of course there are the organized looters and other opportunists.

Isn't that related to what some Trump voters wanted?

[old salt]

ou can’t let a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch, however. You can’t let a few knuckleheads keep the large majority from exercising their First Amendment rights.

This is the part that I can't stand when it comes to the focus on rioting.

America understands the idea of having a few bad apples at police departments making the 99% of good cops look bad. They get that, without any difficulty whatsoever.

But when the same thing happens with peaceful demonstrations? A few "bad apples" acting like total wankers, ruining the peaceful protest?

Suddenly they turn their understanding off. I don't get it.

No one is claiming their fellow posters don't care that George Floyd was murdered, or that their fellow posters don't condemn the policeman who murdered him.

And yet claims that their fellow posters don't care about rioting or looting are thrown around here with abandon.

Pretty disappointing....

It is a mechanism for changing the subject. Then the conversation is steered toward something it was not originally - what to do about those few bad police apples. Instead it becomes about how bad the people who are protesting really are, so they can be dismissed and the original problem is still there but now ignored.

The whole point of the protesting is to make the power structures in the country understand that it needs to pay attention and make positive changes.

So in that context - everything Trump has said about the killing is that everyone needs to do better. Nothing more - no plans on how to make that happen. And then the change in subject.

An utter LACK of leadership - which is one of the most consistent characteristics of the current president.

It's a mechanism for focusing on the actual damages done & the ulterior motives of those encouraging & rationalizing the destructive, deadly rioting & looting.

You are assuming ulterior motives not necessarily even evident, and I am assuming a small number of criminals taking advantage of a situation they have no real part of, but can infiltrate. That is both for looters who come from the 'hood and the white nationalists converging on the scene to make further trouble. And again - how does focusing on the "looters" as if they are representative of the protesters fix the problem rather than exacerbate it?

Law enforcement is not really helping itself if it makes itself enemies of more people than before. There are a lot of the "protesters" who are not African American who understand that the problem needs to be fixed. And that the backwards steps taken by the current administration to take sides with the most strict elements of the police has actually made the problem worse.

So the organized anarchists & organized criminal gangs that John Miller described in NYC are white supremacists ?
Look closer at the video clips of looters carrying stuff out of stores & point out the white supremacist group members for us.

I just described the groups involved.

So far, the only ones arrested for inciting violence have been boogaloo boys. White supremacists.

But it would appear that there are left wing nut job anarchists as well..and certainly some street gangs being opportunistic in the looting.

And some, yes, mad as hell, not going to take it any more, outraged folks who lose control.

But most of the protestors are none of the above. A vast majority are not.

And where they've been met with respect and empathy from the power structure, they've been allies in preventing violence and destruction and looting too.

That's the path forward.

So what. NV indictments on 3 Boogaloo bois. You think they're the only organized rioters ?

L & R wing nuts, anarchists & criminal gangs -- they're all taking advantage of the disruption created by the protesters.

That's why strictly enforced curfews work, just like lockdowns blunted the covid spread. It's not THAT complicated.

You want to make this a L-R thing. They're ALL criminals.

[Peter Brown]

Turns out there was indeed more than met the eye with the mass resignations in Buffalo.

“We quit because our union said [they] aren’t legally backing us anymore. So why would we stand on a line for the City with no legal backing if something [were to] happen? Has nothing to do with us supporting,” said another.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/ex ... C8ylrlb0EA



Attention Republicans: are you starting to see the massive opportunity you have to help clean up policing in America? How many more times do you need to see the word "Union"???

This is indeed something that is going to be interesting...are Dems going to buck the idea of 'unions'?

This is indeed a case where union power creates an immensely deleterious impact. And has for decades.

There's talk, from Dems, of defunding police departments. Until unions agree to give up their protection of officers getting canned for brutality?

And how does that play out?

Seems to me, you defund the existing police department, with notice of 'now hiring' for the new police department, applications welcome...reviewing existing police applications for past patterns...pay more for good cops, hire more...

But will Dems be willing to admit that unions in what are essentially monopoly situations a bad idea? Education?

Or will the unions adapt and give up some of these controls?

This would indeed an opportunity for the GOP, conducive to earlier ideological views, if they just weren't so embedded demographically in a white power structure and been so dependent upon the 'southern strategy'.

Hey! Some Republicans get it! Nice job, MDlax.

Any other Republicans figuring this out? Naaaah. What you should do is keep talking about looting, and ignore a golden opportunity to actually fix the problem.

a fan has an idea: if we somehow a law to invalidate unions for police, police ranks will become better and thus looting will end.

That and Santa Claus will come around in December.

Yes, unions should not be allowed for any public sector, police included. Unions, however, are the largest donors to Democratic politicians by a factor of about 10. The largest unions giving money to Democrats: AFSCME and SEIU. Guess how much both unions give to Republicans? if you guessed $One Dollar, you'd be too high by $1.

So, the golden opportunity is now on the Republicans to figure out, even though they get no money from the two largest public sector unions. What are the chances that Nancy Pelosi will agree to invalidating public sector unions? Zero, or less than zero? Those are the two options.

And what would that have to do with police unions? Well, if a law was passed to prevent specifically one public sector union from organizing (police), I'm guessing that in no possible universe would courts allow such prejudicial action unless it applied to all public sector unions.

meanwhile, Democratic cities burn and are looted. Who is it again that these issues fall upon? Confused.

[MDlaxfan76]

So far, the folks who have been arrested, whether FBI or local, for actual organized efforts to incite violence have all been boogaloo boys.

My guess is that there's some left wing anarchists involved as well as these right wing nut jobs.

That's a sweeping assertion. Proof ? Links ? The Boogaloo bois weren't mentioned in that John Millier report I linked above.

Who cares if they're L or R wing ? They're hiding among the protesters & need to be stopped.

Yes. Which means that the task for law enforcement changes. You cannot have police telling Proud Boys on the side to get out of the way because tear gas is coming or mindlessly clearing out areas and making mass arrests. You are spending your resources on the wrong thing then.

Better to acknowledge the protesters and their grievances and be an observant part of the protest looking for the criminal element - or focusing the emphasis on guiding the protests to places like parks or other open areas where they can gather and away from stores and other areas of concern for looting.

Exactly.
But ramming people with shields in a phalanx?
Rolling in heavy? Hey, lets have some unidentifiable federal heavily armed 'police' show up...
Not gonna work if you actually want to get to the other side of this eventually.