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FanLax Computer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:32 pm

ICGrad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:30 pm Army at 10, beneath UNC.
Let the age of reason commence!

Correct. UNC has better wins and slightly worse losses.

Again ACC as 0 wins against top10 in OOC games
They beat themselves league overrated.

nms wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:53 pm Pretty amazing that a win over Q drops UVA 3 spots in RPI. I can't wait until the Ivy tournament boosts all of the teams RPI. I wonder if it is possible for UVA to fall out of the RPI top 10 while winning out vs. Syracuse and Lafayette?

Those 3 teams are all very closely bunched in RPI (0.001 max difference) which is why it was possible to drop past all 3.

A win over Cuse should be a small positive, Lafayette an RPI drop similar to Q, down 0.010, UVa currently ~0.035 above #11, so should remain in top 10.

lorin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:31 pm Again ACC as 0 wins against top10 in OOC games
They beat themselves league overrated.

UNC's Best Wins are against Denver, Brown, and Richmond...

CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:34 pm

nms wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:53 pm Pretty amazing that a win over Q drops UVA 3 spots in RPI. I can't wait until the Ivy tournament boosts all of the teams RPI. I wonder if it is possible for UVA to fall out of the RPI top 10 while winning out vs. Syracuse and Lafayette?

Those 3 teams are all very closely bunched in RPI (0.001 max difference) which is why it was possible to drop past all 3.

A win over Cuse should be a small positive, Lafayette an RPI drop similar to Q, down 0.010, UVa currently ~0.035 above #11, so should remain in top 10.

I thought that it was gracious of UVA to schedule Quinnipiac. It's unfortunate that it creates a disadvantage for them.

Agreed. UVa used to play VMI regularly, that had an even worse effect on their RPI.

In hockey, RPI is adjusted to remove the effect of "bad wins".

faircornell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:55 pm
I thought that it was gracious of UVA to schedule Quinnipiac. It's unfortunate that it creates a disadvantage for them.

Back in that infamous 2019 campaign, Cornell's RPI took a significant hit from scheduling a game with 1st year St. Bonaventure. Of course, even then they still had a higher RPI than JH...not that it mattered. But I remember at the time people on these forums pointing to Cornell's "weak" SOS, predicated in no small part on this one game.

I agree that there should be some method for weighing one or two "weak" RPI wins. Then again, I think RPI is kind of idiotic anyway, so not sure it's worth tweaking a poor metric.

I'm not sure of all this. but there was a time that the RPI calculation accounted for scheduling weak teams, and the negative effect that just playing them had on better teams.

I believe that the SOS metric for a team was only used for its top 10 opponents. (exactly how they defined that I don't know)

It seems like they dropped that point. The problem is that the lower ranked teams benefit (usually) by playing better team, and they did not want to discourage top teams from playing them.

Someone here must know more about RPI than I do; so help us out please.

1moreuvafan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:05 pm I'm not sure of all this. but there was a time that the RPI calculation accounted for scheduling weak teams, and the negative effect that just playing them had on better teams.

I believe that the SOS metric for a team was only used for its top 10 opponents. (exactly how they defined that I don't know)

It seems like they dropped that point. The problem is that the lower ranked teams benefit (usually) by playing better team, and they did not want to discourage top teams from playing them.

Someone here must know more about RPI than I do; so help us out please.

rpi is simply 25% your record, 50% opponents' % record, and 25% opp' opp' % record. subtract your own game with opponents when tabulating opp' record.

it is in theory trying to do its job by measuring how you did against teams that were good, bad or indifferent... as meaured by their record against of course their opponents.

the nc$$ booklet has a list of criteria that are to be evaluated, without definition to weighting. however, by all indications the committee has simply taken the top rpi teams as at larges for at least 2017-2019, with 2021 being a covid outlier. and your own straight rpi isn't even in the criteria.

the sos metric you mention is "supposed" to be considered as your top 10 rpi opponents. sos is the back 2/3 of rpi (opp' record and opp' opp' record), but i don't know in what weighting.

in reference to cornell and 2019 and rpi vs others, the cutoff was 11. cornell was 12. hopkins was 8. cornell was left out.

cornell's sos was 4th i believe, fwiw.

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KRACH ratings, through games of 4/24:

1. Maryland 12-0 3653
2. Georgetown 12-1 1311
3. Princeton 9-3 920
4. Rutgers 12-2 911
5. Virginia 10-3 584
6. Yale 8-3 540
7. Cornell 10-3 530
8. Harvard 8-3 485
9. OSU 9-4 460
10. Jacksonville 13-2 451
11. Penn 6-4 438
12. Boston U 10-3 437
13. Brown 8-4 411
14. Duke 10-5 355
15. Notre Dame 6-4 336
16. Army 10-3 336
17. UNC 8-5 324
18. St Josephs 11-2 299
19. Richmond 8-4 299
20. Denver 8-5 295
21. Utah 8-3 253
22. Villanova 8-4 230
23. JHU 6-8 179
24. Bucknell 9-4 176
25. UMass 7-5 169

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RPI in parens.

Maryland. 12-0. /// W: Princeton(2), Rutgers(6), Virginia(7), Ohio State (13), Notre Dame(14), Hopkins (19), Loyola (22)
Georgetown. 11-1 /// W: Penn (5), Notre Dame(14), Denver (15), Richmond (16), Hopkins(19), Utah (20), Loyola (22), Lehigh (28) /// L: Princeton (2)
Princeton 9-3 /// W: Gtown (3), Penn (5), Rutgers(6), Brown (8), Boston U (12), /// L: Harvard (11), Yale (4), Maryland (1)
Brown 8-4 /// W: Yale (4), Penn (5), Cornell (9), Villanova (24) /// L Umass (25), UNC (17), Harvard (11), Princeton (2)
Yale. 8-3 /// W: Princeton (2), Penn (5), Boston U (12), Denver (15), Villanova (24), UMass (25), /// L: Penn St (30) , Brown (8), Cornell (9)
Harvard 8-3 /// W: Princeton (2), Brown (8), Boston U (12), /// L Ohio State (13), Cornell (9), Penn (5)
Penn. 6-4 /// W: Cornell (9), Duke (10), Villanova (24) /// L: Brown(8), Yale (4), Gtown (3), Princeton (2)
Cornell. 10-3 /// W: Yale(6), Ohio State (10), Harvard(15), Lehigh (26). /// L: Army (21), Brown (8), Penn (5),
Jacksonville. 13-2 /// W: Duke (10), Denver (15), Richmond (16) /// L: Utah (20), Hopkins (19)
Rutgers. 12-2 /// W: Ohio State (13), Johns Hopkins (19), Army (21), Loyola (24) /// L: Princeton (2), Maryland (1),
Duke. 10-5 /// Virginia (7), UNC (13), Denver (15), Richmond (16), Towson (26), High Point (29) /// L: Syracuse (31), Jacksonville (23), Loyola (22), Notre Dame (14), Penn (5)
Ohio State. 9-4 /// W: Harvard (11), Notre Dame (14), UNC (17) /// L: Denver (15), Cornell (9), Rutgers (6), Maryland (1)
Richmond 8-4 /// W: Virginia (7), Towson (26), High Point (29) /// L: Jacksonville (23), UNC (17), Duke (10), Gtown (3)
Virginia. 10-3 /// W: Notre Dame (14), UNC (17), UNC (17), Hopkins (19), Towson (26), High Point (29) /// L to Richmond (16), Duke (10), Maryland (1)
Notre Dame. 6-4 /// W: Duke (10), UNC (17) /// L: Ohio State (10), Virginia (7), Gtown (3), Maryland (1)
UNC.  8-5 /// Brown (8), Richmond (16), Hopkins (19), High Point (29) /// L: Notre Dame (14), Ohio State (13), Duke (10), Virginia (7), Virginia (7)
Army. 10-3. /// W: Cornell (9), Loyola (22), UMass (25) /// L: Navy (36), Lehigh (28), Rutgers(6)
Denver. 8-5 /// Ohio State (13), Utah (20), Villanova (24), Towson (26) /// L: Jacksonville (23), UNC (17), Duke (10), Gtown (3)
Boston U. 10-3 /// W: Loyola (22), UMass (25), Lehigh (28) /// L to Harvard (11), Yale (4), Princeton (2)
St. Joseph's 11-2 ///W: Towson (26) /// L: Drexel (39), Delaware (27)
UMass 7-5 ///W: Brown (9) ///L: Fairfield (47), Towson (26) , Army (21), Boston U (12), Yale (4)
Utah 8-3 ///W: Jacksonville (23) /// L: UMBC (51), Denver (15), Gtown (3)
Delaware 8-5 /// W: Hopkins (19), Towson (26), /// L: Hofstra (53), Michigan (43), UMass (25), Villanova (24), Duke (10)
Loyola. 6-7 ///W: Duke (10) /// L: Towson (26), Army (21), Hopkins (19), Rutgers (6), Georgetown (3), Maryland (1)
Bucknell 9-4 ///W: none /// L: Lehigh (28), Loyola (22), Army (21), BU (12)



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Villanova 8-4 /// W: none. /// L: Denver (15), Brown (8), Penn(5), Yale (4),
Lehigh 7-5 ///W: Army (21) /// L: Hobart (45), Colgate (40), Bucknell (32), Cornell (9), Gtown (3)
Johns Hopkins 6-8 /// W: Jacksonville (21), Loyola (24), Towson (27) /// L: Navy (36), Delaware (27), UNC (17), Ohio State (13), Virginia (7), Rutgers (6), Gtown (3), Maryland (1)
Towson 5-7 ///W: , Loyola (22), UMass (25) /// L: Hopkins (19), St Joes (18), Richmond (16), Denver (15), Duke (10), Virginia (7)
High Point 7-6 /// W: none /// L: Jacksonville (23), UNC (17), Duke (10), Virginia (7), Maryland (1)

It seems like Army got overly dropped in my opinion. They were 5th last week. Many people have them ranked 15-18.

HGK2, masondixonlax - no ranking for Army

I'm OK with ranking them below 16, but not ranking them seems like a mistake. In fairness, I did not watch the game.

How do we handle ranking when a ranker leaves a team off the list, but does not rank 20 teams?

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:32 pm It seems like Army got overly dropped in my opinion. They were 5th last week. Many people have them ranked 15-18.

HGK2, masondixonlax - no ranking for Army

I'm OK with ranking them below 16, but not ranking them seems like a mistake. In fairness, I did not watch the game.

How do we handle ranking when a ranker leaves a team off the list, but does not rank 20 teams?

You are 100% correct and that is my bad. I thought I did rank them. I would have put them around 13-14

Virginia has no top 10 (or even top 12) RPI wins and 3 losses (including to a team in the bottom of the top 20). I guess everyone is counting on another overachieving playoff run. Hard to bet against that given past performance, but that's a big if. RPI has them at 7 which seems a bit high based on their results, but teams are pretty closely stacked around those numbers.

Brown climbed over Jacksonville, Ohio State, Yale and Virginia this week….

That damn white letters on a white background and now Jacksonville gets two votes on my card. I like them but not enough to vote for them twice. Sorry

jersey shore lax wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:47 pm That damn white letters on a white background and now Jacksonville gets two votes on my card. I like them but not enough to vote for them twice. Sorry

Also the email confirmation does not work and hasn’t worked the past 2 weeks for me. Would have seen my mistake

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:38 pm Brown climbed over Jacksonville, Ohio State, Yale and Virginia this week….

Three convincing top 10 wins in a row will do that. (although they did not jump Virginia)