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a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:27 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Of course illegals take more than they give. Case in point, the kids detained at the border live in Mexico, but attend a school in the US. (mentioned this a few posts ago ) I am assuming these kids families are not paying rent, property tax or other taxes that fund the school districts they attend. While not sopping the country dry, how does a school district get it's revenue from an untaxed student base? From the sales or meals tax ? Sure, that will cover the cost per pupil. 45 states do NOT tax food purchases, so you ain't getting revenue from that. Clothing isn't taxed in about a bakers dozen states either. (mostly in the northeast)

Alright, I'll bite: where do you think these kids are living that their guardians don't pay taxes?

This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

When they got in line at the border at 4 a.m. Monday, traffic was moving slow. Cardenas told the four children to walk across the border instead. She was going to call them an Uber so they could make it to school on time.


What do YOU conclude from this information?

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Anyone on here own a company? Would you rather pay a good worker $5 an hour, zero benefits and have them work 60-80 hours a week, with no overtime, sick or vacation days.Oh, and no FICA, workmans comp and zero chance of getting sued for abuse, harrassment, etc. Or, would you rather pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits?

I'd rather----and do----- pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits.

You know: because I want to follow the law. And I'm not an unethical POS who wants to stick to not just to the immigrant, but also my fellow American business owners who think that following the law is important, and paying in to our communities and country is important.

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:57 pm Good for you. But, what is the percentage of business owners that are NOT ethical? That is the point.

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:57 pm And if people don't reflect on WHY our economy would collapse if everify became law (meaning business owners would have to pay LEGAL wages), whats that say about us as a society, allowing slavish labor?

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:57 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:27 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Of course illegals take more than they give. Case in point, the kids detained at the border live in Mexico, but attend a school in the US. (mentioned this a few posts ago ) I am assuming these kids families are not paying rent, property tax or other taxes that fund the school districts they attend. While not sopping the country dry, how does a school district get it's revenue from an untaxed student base? From the sales or meals tax ? Sure, that will cover the cost per pupil. 45 states do NOT tax food purchases, so you ain't getting revenue from that. Clothing isn't taxed in about a bakers dozen states either. (mostly in the northeast)

Alright, I'll bite: where do you think these kids are living that their guardians don't pay taxes?

This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

When they got in line at the border at 4 a.m. Monday, traffic was moving slow. Cardenas told the four children to walk across the border instead. She was going to call them an Uber so they could make it to school on time.


What do YOU conclude from this information?

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Anyone on here own a company? Would you rather pay a good worker $5 an hour, zero benefits and have them work 60-80 hours a week, with no overtime, sick or vacation days.Oh, and no FICA, workmans comp and zero chance of getting sued for abuse, harrassment, etc. Or, would you rather pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits?

I'd rather----and do----- pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits.

You know: because I want to follow the law. And I'm not an unethical POS who wants to stick to not just to the immigrant, but also my fellow American business owners who think that following the law is important, and paying in to our communities and country is important.

Good for you. But, what is the percentage of business owners that are NOT ethical? That is the point. And if people don't reflect on WHY our economy would collapse if everify became law (meaning business owners would have to pay LEGAL wages), whats that say about us as a society, allowing slavish labor? Take a peak out back when dining out at Acorn, Tables or a Del Frescos' chain. Illegals everywhere.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:27 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:57 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:27 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Of course illegals take more than they give. Case in point, the kids detained at the border live in Mexico, but attend a school in the US. (mentioned this a few posts ago ) I am assuming these kids families are not paying rent, property tax or other taxes that fund the school districts they attend. While not sopping the country dry, how does a school district get it's revenue from an untaxed student base? From the sales or meals tax ? Sure, that will cover the cost per pupil. 45 states do NOT tax food purchases, so you ain't getting revenue from that. Clothing isn't taxed in about a bakers dozen states either. (mostly in the northeast)

Alright, I'll bite: where do you think these kids are living that their guardians don't pay taxes?

This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

When they got in line at the border at 4 a.m. Monday, traffic was moving slow. Cardenas told the four children to walk across the border instead. She was going to call them an Uber so they could make it to school on time.


What do YOU conclude from this information?

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:38 pm Anyone on here own a company? Would you rather pay a good worker $5 an hour, zero benefits and have them work 60-80 hours a week, with no overtime, sick or vacation days.Oh, and no FICA, workmans comp and zero chance of getting sued for abuse, harrassment, etc. Or, would you rather pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits?

I'd rather----and do----- pay a good employee $15 an hour, with all the legally required benefits.

You know: because I want to follow the law. And I'm not an unethical POS who wants to stick to not just to the immigrant, but also my fellow American business owners who think that following the law is important, and paying in to our communities and country is important.

Good for you. But, what is the percentage of business owners that are NOT ethical? That is the point. And if people don't reflect on WHY our economy would collapse if everify became law (meaning business owners would have to pay LEGAL wages), whats that say about us as a society, allowing slavish labor? Take a peak out back when dining out at Acorn, Tables or a Del Frescos' chain. Illegals everywhere.

Whoa, you asked this question, but seem to ignore that these folks are US citizens. Yes, they currently live on the other side of the border. But they're US citizens.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

From the way it is written, you can't tell if "both" refers to the 2 moms as US citizens, or just the kids. At a minimum the kids are US citizens and have every right to a public education. I hope they grow up to be doctors and engineers and...

Would our country really collapse if we paid everyone $15? (I think that's an appropriate wage in high cost of living regions but am not so sure it should apply to everywhere).
Why would it collapse?
How about increasing the amount of legal immigration if you actually have a concern about enough workers. But pay them a full wage, whatever that may be.

BTW, I also think that a lower wage rate during the first two, perhaps even four, years of first-time working is ok, so as to encourage employers to hire and train first time workers. Likewise, I think apprenticeship wages are fine.

But perpetual low pay rates not really ok.

And yeah, fine the heck out of employers who chronically don't follow the rules...and ultimately put them in jail if they persist.

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:46 pm This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:38 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:46 pm This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

Ah. That. Do you have any more information on this? How do you know the details of her school, and whether or not she pays in?

Not a big deal. And it's one of the downsides to the stupid way we pay taxes in America.

So, for example, I just moved into a new school district, and my kid will hit Kindergarten soon....after only living and paying taxes to the district for a year.

Meanwhile, I have friends who lived in the district for 10 years before having a kid hit Kindergarten. We haven't paid anywhere close to the same amount into the schools system.

And then you have the people who live in this district their entire lives, and never send a single kid to a school in the district. But the district still took their money.

Simply not a big deal, but certainly something the district is free to control as they choose.

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:57 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:38 pm

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:46 pm This is from the original post a few pages back:
Thelma Galaxia said her friend, Michelle Cardenas, was driving each of their two children from Tijuana, where they live, to their schools in San Ysidro Monday morning, as they do nearly every day.

Galexia's 9-year-old daughter, Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, attends fourth grade at Nicoloff Elementary School and her 14-year-old son, Oscar Amparo Medina, attends ninth grade at San Ysidro High School. Both are passport-holding U.S. citizens.

Ah. That. Do you have any more information on this? How do you know the details of her school, and whether or not she pays in?

Not a big deal. And it's one of the downsides to the stupid way we pay taxes in America.

So, for example, I just moved into a new school district, and my kid will hit Kindergarten soon....after only living and paying taxes to the district for a year.

Meanwhile, I have friends who lived in the district for 10 years before having a kid hit Kindergarten. We haven't paid anywhere close to the same amount into the schools system.

And then you have the people who live in this district their entire lives, and never send a single kid to a school in the district. But the district still took their money.

Simply not a big deal, but certainly something the district is free to control as they choose.

Not a big deal? I think it's the only deal.

Lets assume they don't pay tuition to attend school. ( If I found the answer, would it make a difference to you?) And lets assume there are another 100 kids just like them, crossing the border every day. Where does the funding come from for the One Million expense? ($10k per student) The gas tax when they fill up in California? Certainly a unique situation, but the same standard applies when educating illegals away from the border. Interesting conundrum when the kid is a legal US citizen (born here), but the parents are illegal, work two jobs getting paid under the table at both. Does Colorado tax groceries? Boston area scumland lords cram as many white privaledged kids into crapholes in Alston, Cambridge, Brighton, etc. You don't think the landlords of Denver aren't doing the same? Rent isn't the same as paying income or outright property taxes. Schools aren't funded by cable or cell phone taxes. Nor are they funded by big box store purchases. (some of it does make its' way to schools )

Catch 22 when it comes to homes, who has kids or not, paying into property taxes. I never sent my kids to public schools, but still pay property taxes. But, imagine if every home had children. Then you would have horrible school districts like Columbine. Or South Park. A thousand kids a class? Pathetic.

ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:57 pm Not a big deal? I think it's the only deal.

Lets assume they don't pay tuition to attend school. ( If I found the answer, would it make a difference to you?) And lets assume there are another 100 kids just like them, crossing the border every day. Where does the funding come from for the One Million expense?

old salt wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:54 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:38 am Can't hire or retain border agents. 2017 and 2018 border patrol officer southern border deployments lowest since 2008.

Overwhelmed by families & kids. Unlimited catch & release. Give 'em health care & a ride to the bus station.

No way to provide the care & facilities being demanded & still keep track of them after release.