PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
Seems opposite of was reported in guardian and CNN
I don't get it. Russia can, and has, sunk Ukrainian ships....but Musk thinks Ukraine/USA can't sink Russian ships or that's "escalation"?
What's the logic here? This doesn't make sense. Few things do in wartime, I guess.
The use of Starink satellite system would be used for potential war escalation.Musk said Eff that, work on peace.
Maybe that's what he said and actually meant, or maybe he didn't want to alienate Putin...we don't really know.
What we do know is that he was wrong in his judgment to put his finger on the scales to limit Ukraine's counter measures to an invasion and war crimes. Allowing Russia free rein to destroy much of Ukraine with its much greater capacities while limiting Ukraine's ability to counterattack Russian military capabilities doing so.
Why, because he worried that Russia would then use nuclear weapons?...who told him to worry? of yeah, Putin.
Now, if we learned it was the US government that told Elon to limit these capabilities, it would be a different matter...the US government has massively funded Elon's enterprises including StarLink, so that would at least be an arguable position. But making this call because he personally chose to favor Putin over Ukraine?
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:54 pm
Elon might want to stay the fcuk out of Ukraine. What a little prcik.
“The biography, due out on Tuesday, alleges Musk ordered Starlink engineers to turn off service in the area of the attack because of his concern that Vladimir Putin would respond with nuclear weapons to a Ukrainian attack on Russian-occupied Crimea. He is reported to have said that Ukraine was “going too far” in threatening to inflict a “strategic defeat” on the Kremlin.
Musk’s threats to withdraw Starlink communications at various stages of the conflict have been previously reported, but this is the first time it has been alleged he cut off Ukrainian forces in the middle of a specific operation.”
I thought that was going to be some sort of credible evidence that "X" is "almost at breakeven". Where's that?
According to Elon recent pronouncements (we have no idea if accurate or not) they've lost 2/3 of their advertising revenue...and according to multiple analyses misinformation and hate speech is up markedly...are we calling that a success now?
What happens when they lose protection from being sued for damages?
Newspapers don't have that protection, tv stations don't, radio stations don't, but mega organizations whose algorithms select and accelerate 'information/speech' which engender the most response, most of which is based in fear and anger or sense of inadequacy, get protection...what's the public benefit at this point of such protections?
Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:20 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:14 pm
X is almost at break even according to the list of all things they have done since acquiring Twitter.
One of my brands is slightly above break even. It makes $1.9M and spends $1.7M annually.
If a company that makes $4B in revenue and "is almost at break even", yet owed like $40B in loans plus interest? And down 60+% in revenue? Good luck with that my man. This has been absolutely hilarious to watch this go nuclear.
I can make a $4B company "almost break even" with a few clicks of a button.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:43 pm
It’s fun watching haters in action.
it's not haters, YA. You just posted a bunch of claims from "some guy on the internet".
If that was a list of "biden accomplishments"....you're telling us you'd just buy every word of it, and move on?
Let's hear what his creditors say at various milestones. The rest of the financial claims? Musk can claim anything he wants....his books are closed.
I HOPE he's not pulled down by this stupid, pointless acquisition. His talents are FAR better suited elsewhere.
The part I find utterly hilarious, is that now that Musk is running twitter, you and your fellow twitter haters have completely turned off your radar, and trust the site without question. Is he censoring? Or can you not muster enough energy to even pretend you care? I have yet to read any criticism of twitter anymore. It's gone. Magic. A "different" 1%er is running it...and like Trump, you've let yourself be fooled into thinking "he's on my team, and is one of us".
So allllll the complaints are gone. Just as I told you would happen when you told me twitter is a "town square".
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:43 pm
It’s fun watching haters in action.
it's not haters, YA. You just posted a bunch of claims from "some guy on the internet".
If that was a list of "biden accomplishments"....you're telling us you'd just buy every word of it, and move on?
Let's hear what his creditors say at various milestones. The rest of the financial claims? Musk can claim anything he wants....his books are closed.
I HOPE he's not pulled down by this stupid, pointless acquisition. His talents are FAR better suited elsewhere.
The part I find utterly hilarious, is that now that Musk is running twitter, you and your fellow twitter haters have completely turned off your radar, and trust the site without question. Is he censoring? Or can you not muster enough energy to even pretend you care? I have yet to read any criticism of twitter anymore. It's gone. Magic. A "different" 1%er is running it...and like Trump, you've let yourself be fooled into thinking "he's on my team, and is one of us".
So allllll the complaints are gone. Just as I told you would happen when you told me twitter is a "town square".
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:43 pm
It’s fun watching haters in action.
it's not haters, YA. You just posted a bunch of claims from "some guy on the internet".
If that was a list of "biden accomplishments"....you're telling us you'd just buy every word of it, and move on?
Let's hear what his creditors say at various milestones. The rest of the financial claims? Musk can claim anything he wants....his books are closed.
I HOPE he's not pulled down by this stupid, pointless acquisition. His talents are FAR better suited elsewhere.
The part I find utterly hilarious, is that now that Musk is running twitter, you and your fellow twitter haters have completely turned off your radar, and trust the site without question. Is he censoring? Or can you not muster enough energy to even pretend you care? I have yet to read any criticism of twitter anymore. It's gone. Magic. A "different" 1%er is running it...and like Trump, you've let yourself be fooled into thinking "he's on my team, and is one of us".
So allllll the complaints are gone. Just as I told you would happen when you told me twitter is a "town square".
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:43 pm
It’s fun watching haters in action.
it's not haters, YA. You just posted a bunch of claims from "some guy on the internet".
If that was a list of "biden accomplishments"....you're telling us you'd just buy every word of it, and move on?
Let's hear what his creditors say at various milestones. The rest of the financial claims? Musk can claim anything he wants....his books are closed.
I HOPE he's not pulled down by this stupid, pointless acquisition. His talents are FAR better suited elsewhere.
The part I find utterly hilarious, is that now that Musk is running twitter, you and your fellow twitter haters have completely turned off your radar, and trust the site without question. Is he censoring? Or can you not muster enough energy to even pretend you care? I have yet to read any criticism of twitter anymore. It's gone. Magic. A "different" 1%er is running it...and like Trump, you've let yourself be fooled into thinking "he's on my team, and is one of us".
So allllll the complaints are gone. Just as I told you would happen when you told me twitter is a "town square".
Meet the new boss......
Please hare your wisdom that implies we have all pivoted 180 degrees and now trust the site/Musk.....that is just innuendo and logical fallacy on your part.
We all now know Social media has biases.....duh, not sure why you are spun up again. You also really do not pay attention to some us very well....I have gone on record, on this site, and made claim that Musk is actually being funded by the feds. So if it makes you feel better to lump me in the "let yourself be fooled", feel free to continue.
You are doing a great job at proving my original point above.
Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:43 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
Please hare your wisdom that implies we have all pivoted 180 degrees and now trust the site/Musk.....that is just innuendo and logical fallacy on your part.
Are you kidding? All your complaints about Twitter not being a Town Square are *poof* gone. You don't care any more.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
We all now know Social media has biases.....duh, not sure why you are spun up again.
Because that's not what you said in the past.
Remember citing Bill Maher and his moronic take that "twitter failed", and the "reason" he gives is that (drumroll) they didn't publish everything that guys like Bill wanted them to publish? Maher has more than a few blind spots, and this is a big one.
Tell Maher that he MUST run a story. Watch what happens. How fast will he tell you that you can F right off, it's his dam show?
Or better still...tell Musk that he MUST run a story you want to run, and he's "not allowed to stop you". What do you supposed would happen?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
You are doing a great job at proving my original point above.
Nope. I support companies and their ability to CHOOSE what they print and don't print...including Musk and anyone else running twitter. I'm the only American left who believes this, apparently. I honestly don't understand what it is your believe, so i'll let you speak for yourself.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
Please hare your wisdom that implies we have all pivoted 180 degrees and now trust the site/Musk.....that is just innuendo and logical fallacy on your part.
Are you kidding? All your complaints about Twitter not being a Town Square are *poof* gone. You don't care any more.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
We all now know Social media has biases.....duh, not sure why you are spun up again.
Because that's not what you said in the past.
Remember citing Bill Maher and his moronic take that "twitter failed", and the "reason" he gives is that (drumroll) they didn't publish everything that guys like Bill wanted them to publish? Maher has more than a few blind spots, and this is a big one.
Tell Maher that he MUST run a story. Watch what happens. How fast will he tell you that you can F right off, it's his dam show?
Or better still...tell Musk that he MUST run a story you want to run, and he's "not allowed to stop you". What do you supposed would happen?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
You are doing a great job at proving my original point above.
Nope. I support companies and their ability to CHOOSE what they print and don't print...including Musk and anyone else running twitter. I'm the only American left who believes this, apparently. I honestly don't understand what it is your believe, so i'll let you speak for yourself.
I agree, I just want them to be liable for the damage they do when they recklessly or willfully do that damage.
Like any other company or person.
Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:43 pm
by Jim Malone
It is not fair to offer up the service then take service offline during an offensive.
In this situation one has to be all in or not before the start providing service to begin with.
Conduct oneself with honor and integrity one way or the other; to do otherwise, seems to show a lack of both.
Re: Elon Musk (yet another authoritarian)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:47 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Jim Malone wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:43 pm
It is not fair to offer up the service then take service offline during an offensive.
In this situation one has to be all in or not before the start providing service to begin with.
Conduct oneself with honor and integrity one way or the other; to do otherwise, seems to show a lack of both.
I agree.
Apparently the spin now is that the service was only offered for defensive operations and that was somehow defined as wherever the front line was at any given time...taking back territory apparently is "offensive" not defending one's territorial integrity.
I don't think anyone has pressed Elon or his people on this...it might be plausible to argue that the contract could end at the end of Ukraine's legitimate territory, the line at which the land becomes Russia not Ukraine...but apparently Elon is/was of the same sort of mindset that Salty/Putin advocates...it's all Russia unless Ukrainians currently hold it...if Russia has taken it illegally according to international law and then illegally annexes it then it becomes "offensive" to go beyond that front line of hostilities...
The spin is also that Elon was worried about this particular strike being so effective that it would enrage Putin (who Elon talks to) and Putin would push the button on nukes.
And the spin is that Elon later had second thoughts and turned over those decisions to the US military...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was probably because his decision caused a ruckus and he was pressured into giving up that control.
Jim Malone wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:43 pm
It is not fair to offer up the service then take service offline during an offensive.
In this situation one has to be all in or not before the start providing service to begin with.
Conduct oneself with honor and integrity one way or the other; to do otherwise, seems to show a lack of both.
I agree.
Apparently the spin now is that the service was only offered for defensive operations and that was somehow defined as wherever the front line was at any given time...taking back territory apparently is "offensive" not defending one's territorial integrity.
I don't think anyone has pressed Elon or his people on this...it might be plausible to argue that the contract could end at the end of Ukraine's legitimate territory, the line at which the land becomes Russia not Ukraine...but apparently Elon is/was of the same sort of mindset that Salty/Putin advocates...it's all Russia unless Ukrainians currently hold it...if Russia has taken it illegally according to international law and then illegally annexes it then it becomes "offensive" to go beyond that front line of hostilities...
The spin is also that Elon was worried about this particular strike being so effective that it would enrage Putin (who Elon talks to) and Putin would push the button on nukes.
And the spin is that Elon later had second thoughts and turned over those decisions to the US military...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that was probably because his decision caused a ruckus and he was pressured into giving up that control.
To me the real question is how large an influence the government, federal or otherwise, will allow any person (I include Scalia’s “people” in this collective) on the prosecution of international relations?
If unchecked or unalloyed, what does that presage for the individual rights of the polity without mediating effect of representative government?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
Please hare your wisdom that implies we have all pivoted 180 degrees and now trust the site/Musk.....that is just innuendo and logical fallacy on your part.
Are you kidding? All your complaints about Twitter not being a Town Square are *poof* gone. You don't care any more.
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
We all now know Social media has biases.....duh, not sure why you are spun up again.
Because that's not what you said in the past.
Remember citing Bill Maher and his moronic take that "twitter failed", and the "reason" he gives is that (drumroll) they didn't publish everything that guys like Bill wanted them to publish? Maher has more than a few blind spots, and this is a big one.
Tell Maher that he MUST run a story. Watch what happens. How fast will he tell you that you can F right off, it's his dam show?
Or better still...tell Musk that he MUST run a story you want to run, and he's "not allowed to stop you". What do you supposed would happen?
youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:36 am
You are doing a great job at proving my original point above.
Nope. I support companies and their ability to CHOOSE what they print and don't print...including Musk and anyone else running twitter. I'm the only American left who believes this, apparently. I honestly don't understand what it is your believe, so i'll let you speak for yourself.
I agree, I just want them to be liable for the damage they do when they recklessly or willfully do that damage.
Like any other company or person.
damage??
Not ONE bizness can be held "liable" for damages done by covid shots, mandates, mask wearing, etc.
But, let us just stick with Liable for damages from the shot.
bc of TRUMPS cares act, no one is liable for anything covid.....and you swoon in this awesomeness of liability protection for all things covid.
You gotten covid HOW many times now? 5 ?
We harken "twatter" to be like so many multi vendor "antique" or trinkette shopping venues....where you can rent a 10 by 10 space and sell what you want.
Twatter didn't allow you to post what you wanted.....that IS editorializing content. Whatever.........we love twatter. Look at all the "grownups" usining it for "journalism? fuffg
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