Re: Conservative Ideology Off the Rails
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:14 pm
Peyton Manning is still drinking Bud Light in public. The republiCON world is outraged.
Same Party, Different House
https://fanlax.com/forum/
Funny, Peyton has been mentioning, specifically, wanting a Bud Lite or Budweiser for years after big wins.
Hit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
Whoa, did you actually read the Dive article?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:36 amHit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
OSHA is developing a heat standard for workplaces, though the process of doing so takes years of input and fine tuning. In the meantime, the advice from OSHA and the National Institute for Occupational Safety is more rigorous than the local Texas laws: one cup of water every 15 to 20 minutes.
I read it, the HB, and all associated articles linked....certainly could have missed something. Bottom line, no business can override OSHA minimum standards....as a business owner you should understand this. Surprised you are picking a fight, I suppose you may rule with an iron fist if you find this unwarranted. I recommend that you might want to brush up on the OSHA Technical Manual (OTM)....you can start at Section III Chapter 4.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:17 amWhoa, did you actually read the Dive article?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:36 amHit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
OSHA is developing a heat standard for workplaces, though the process of doing so takes years of input and fine tuning. In the meantime, the advice from OSHA and the National Institute for Occupational Safety is more rigorous than the local Texas laws: one cup of water every 15 to 20 minutes.
You do realize that the only one saying that it made sense to eliminate local minimum mandates, with no superseding tougher mandate, whether state or federal was...wait for it... the association of employers who need to give their workers at least this much break?
The other guy is an specific employer who obviously does more than the minimum and is critical of others doing less...he wants a higher minimum level of protection.
"advice" isn't a mandate.
So, they got rid of the mandate...with no stricter regulation protecting workers was , what, so that employers would do more???
Sure, IF there's actually a rule, a mandate, a law.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:37 amI read it, the HB, and all associated articles linked....certainly could have missed something. Bottom line, no business can override OSHA minimum standards....as a business owner you should understand this. Surprised you are picking a fight, I suppose you may rule with an iron fist if you find this unwarranted. I recommend that you might want to brush up on the OSHA Technical Manual (OTM)....you can start at Section III Chapter 4.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:17 amWhoa, did you actually read the Dive article?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:36 amHit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
OSHA is developing a heat standard for workplaces, though the process of doing so takes years of input and fine tuning. In the meantime, the advice from OSHA and the National Institute for Occupational Safety is more rigorous than the local Texas laws: one cup of water every 15 to 20 minutes.
You do realize that the only one saying that it made sense to eliminate local minimum mandates, with no superseding tougher mandate, whether state or federal was...wait for it... the association of employers who need to give their workers at least this much break?
The other guy is an specific employer who obviously does more than the minimum and is critical of others doing less...he wants a higher minimum level of protection.
"advice" isn't a mandate.
So, they got rid of the mandate...with no stricter regulation protecting workers was , what, so that employers would do more???
You clearly have not done your homework.....Biden actually did do something and OSHA IS providing MUST adherence. As I suggested earlier.....you should consider brush up on your OSHA oversight.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 1:29 pmSure, IF there's actually a rule, a mandate, a law.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:37 amI read it, the HB, and all associated articles linked....certainly could have missed something. Bottom line, no business can override OSHA minimum standards....as a business owner you should understand this. Surprised you are picking a fight, I suppose you may rule with an iron fist if you find this unwarranted. I recommend that you might want to brush up on the OSHA Technical Manual (OTM)....you can start at Section III Chapter 4.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:17 amWhoa, did you actually read the Dive article?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:36 amHit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
OSHA is developing a heat standard for workplaces, though the process of doing so takes years of input and fine tuning. In the meantime, the advice from OSHA and the National Institute for Occupational Safety is more rigorous than the local Texas laws: one cup of water every 15 to 20 minutes.
You do realize that the only one saying that it made sense to eliminate local minimum mandates, with no superseding tougher mandate, whether state or federal was...wait for it... the association of employers who need to give their workers at least this much break?
The other guy is an specific employer who obviously does more than the minimum and is critical of others doing less...he wants a higher minimum level of protection.
"advice" isn't a mandate.
So, they got rid of the mandate...with no stricter regulation protecting workers was , what, so that employers would do more???
But on this topic, (as the article made clear) OSHA currently only has "advice"; and your suggested manual says Recommended and that has zero teeth.
All "should", no "must".
So, when you outlaw a mandate with nothing but advice to replace, you open the door to no effort at all.
This could have been done with a state mandate that is more stringent, outlawing something considered too little, but they did NOT do so.
And surely they knew that was the case.
Here we go again with larger government stepping in to prevent more local government from trying to protect its citizens...we can't have no stinking' mandates...crazy. Right wing applauds.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that there's a "must", but then I read (which perhaps you didn't do?) your first link:youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:17 pmYou clearly have not done your homework.....Biden actually did do something and OSHA IS providing MUST adherence. As I suggested earlier.....you should consider brush up on your OSHA oversight.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 1:29 pmSure, IF there's actually a rule, a mandate, a law.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:37 amI read it, the HB, and all associated articles linked....certainly could have missed something. Bottom line, no business can override OSHA minimum standards....as a business owner you should understand this. Surprised you are picking a fight, I suppose you may rule with an iron fist if you find this unwarranted. I recommend that you might want to brush up on the OSHA Technical Manual (OTM)....you can start at Section III Chapter 4.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:17 amWhoa, did you actually read the Dive article?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:36 amHit piece. It is because it does not do enough and is inconsistently practiced by contractors. WAter is not enough, so is shade, time of day etc. Read more of the linked articles Response to Repeal. And nothing in the state can override OSHA.ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:22 pm Texas removes mandate for construction worker water breaks amid heat
New legislation in the state removes protections, including ordinances in Austin and Dallas that required 10-minute hydration breaks every four hours.
https://scrippsnews.com/stories/texas-r ... amid-heat/
Gov Abbott is undeterred by heatwave as he signs the bill. The legislature needs a water break as they must have had a heat stroke to forward such a bill. What a crazy state.
OSHA is developing a heat standard for workplaces, though the process of doing so takes years of input and fine tuning. In the meantime, the advice from OSHA and the National Institute for Occupational Safety is more rigorous than the local Texas laws: one cup of water every 15 to 20 minutes.
You do realize that the only one saying that it made sense to eliminate local minimum mandates, with no superseding tougher mandate, whether state or federal was...wait for it... the association of employers who need to give their workers at least this much break?
The other guy is an specific employer who obviously does more than the minimum and is critical of others doing less...he wants a higher minimum level of protection.
"advice" isn't a mandate.
So, they got rid of the mandate...with no stricter regulation protecting workers was , what, so that employers would do more???
But on this topic, (as the article made clear) OSHA currently only has "advice"; and your suggested manual says Recommended and that has zero teeth.
All "should", no "must".
So, when you outlaw a mandate with nothing but advice to replace, you open the door to no effort at all.
This could have been done with a state mandate that is more stringent, outlawing something considered too little, but they did NOT do so.
And surely they knew that was the case.
Here we go again with larger government stepping in to prevent more local government from trying to protect its citizens...we can't have no stinking' mandates...crazy. Right wing applauds.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/heres-h ... is-summer/
https://www.osha.gov/sites/default/file ... 00-024.pdf
Not following your logic on larger government stepping in.....if one thing has always been evident, it is small businesses flying under the radar breaking rules and not adhering to safe work standards; its one of the primary reasons labor unions even exist and many non-union orgs are so reluctant to allow collective bargaining, why, b/c they'll then have to actually do the right thing by their employees.
On your last question, this is a State overruling city, town, counties which, in the absence of State rules, have instituted mandates for water breaks.Not following your logic on larger government stepping in.....if one thing has always been evident, it is small businesses flying under the radar breaking rules and not adhering to safe work standards; its one of the primary reasons labor unions even exist and many non-union orgs are so reluctant to allow collective bargaining, why, b/c they'll then have to actually do the right thing by their employees.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:39 pm
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that there's a "must", but then I read (which perhaps you didn't do?) your first link:
The emphasis program won’t start out as an enforcement tool right away. Rather, for the first few months, OSHA compliance officers will merely consult with employers, visiting work sites and explaining what needs to be done to make it safe. Formal inspections that could result in citations for violations will begin later.
Sounds like not a "must" this summer; might be later... I know the Guide you'd mentioned prior definitely no "must".
Just read your second link. I see "encouragement" but no definitive requirements. I also see encouragement of States to adopt a "plan"...has Texas done so?
Do you see something more definitive?
I don't run a business where this is remotely an issue, so am fully prepared to learn about it. I did run such back in the 90's, but never had any OSHA issues...we did pay attention to forklift safety training, etc, and all sorts of other regulatory inspections but don't think I saw OSHA in 5 years running that distribution business.
What I see so far is "emphasis" which is surely a good thing in directing OSHA to pay attention to heat issues, but I don't see firm requirements or teeth.
I'm trying to remember the last time since I have been on this planet when life has ever been easier for hard working families. That is odd because every politician from both parties always bloviate ad nauseum about wanting to make life easier for hard working Americans. There must be some mysterious reason that objective can never be attained?CU88a wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:50 am July 17, 2023
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A story in the New York Times today by Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage, and Maggie Haberman outlined how former president Donald Trump and his allies are planning to create a dictatorship if voters return him to power in 2024. The article talks about how Trump and his loyalists plan to “centralize more power in the Oval Office” by “increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House.”
They plan to take control over independent government agencies and get rid of the nonpartisan civil service, purging all but Trump loyalists from the U.S. intelligence agencies, the State Department, and the Defense Department. They plan to start “impounding funds,” that is, ignoring programs Congress has funded if those programs aren’t in line with Trump’s policies.
“What we’re trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them,” said Russell T. Vought, who ran Trump’s Office of Management and Budget and who now advises the right-wing House Freedom Caucus. They envision a “president” who cannot be checked by the Congress or the courts.
Trump’s desire to grab the mechanics of our government and become a dictator is not new; both scholars and journalists have called it out since the early years of his administration. What is new here is the willingness of so-called establishment Republicans to support this authoritarian power grab.
Behind this initiative is “Project 2025,” a coalition of more than 65 right-wing organizations putting in place personnel and policies to recommend not just to Trump, but to any Republican who may win in 2024. Project 2025 is led by the Heritage Foundation, once considered a conservative think tank, that helped to lead the Reagan revolution.
A piece by Alexander Bolton in The Hill today said that Republican senators are “worried” by the MAGAs, but they have been notably silent in public at a time when every elected leader should be speaking out against this plot. Their silence suggests they are on board with it, as Trump apparently hoped to establish.
The party appears to have fully embraced the antidemocratic ideology advanced by authoritarian leaders like Russia’s president Vladimir Putin and Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbán, who argue that the post–World War II era, in which democracy seemed to triumph, is over. They claim that the tenets of democracy—equality before the law, free speech, academic freedom, a market-based economy, immigration, and so on—weaken a nation by destroying a “traditional” society based in patriarchy and Christianity.
Instead of democracy, they have called for “illiberal” or “Christian” democracy, which uses the government to enforce their beliefs in a Christian, patriarchal order. What that looks like has a clear blueprint in the actions of Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who has gathered extraordinary power into his own hands in the state and used that power to mirror Orbán’s destruction of democracy.
DeSantis has pushed through laws that ban abortion after six weeks, before most people know they’re pregnant; banned classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity (the “Don’t Say Gay” law); prevented recognition of transgender individuals; made it easier to sentence someone to death; allowed people to carry guns without training or permits; banned colleges and businesses from conversations about race; exerted control over state universities; made it harder for his opponents to vote, and tried to punish Disney World for speaking out against the Don’t Say Gay law. After rounding up migrants and sending them to other states, DeSantis recently has called for using “deadly force” on migrants crossing unlawfully.
Because all the institutions of our democracy are designed to support the tenets of democracy, right-wingers claim those institutions are weaponized against them. House Republicans are running hearings designed to prove that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice are both “weaponized” against Republicans. It doesn’t matter that they don’t seem to have any evidence of bias: the very fact that those institutions support democracy mean they support a system that right-wing Republicans see as hostile.
“Our current executive branch,” Trump loyalist John McEntee, who is in charge of planning to pack the government with Trump loyalists, told the New York Times reporters, “was conceived of by liberals for the purpose of promulgating liberal policies. There is no way to make the existing structure function in a conservative manner. It’s not enough to get the personnel right. What’s necessary is a complete system overhaul.”
It has taken decades for the modern-day Republican Party to get to a place where it rejects democracy. The roots of that rejection lie all the way back in the 1930s, when Democrats under Franklin Delano Roosevelt embraced a government that regulated business, provided a basic social safety net, and promoted infrastructure. That system ushered in a period from 1933 to 1981 that economists call the “Great Compression,” when disparities of income and wealth were significantly reduced, especially after the government also began to protect civil rights.
Members of both parties embraced this modern government in this period, and Americans still like what it accomplished. But businessmen who hated regulation joined with racists who hated federal protection of civil rights and traditionalists who opposed women’s rights and set out to destroy that government.
In West Palm Beach, Florida, last weekend, at the Turning Points Action Conference, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) compared President Biden’s Build Back Better plan to President Lyndon Baines Johnson’s Great Society programs, which invested in “education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and welfare, the Office of Economic Opportunity, and big labor and labor unions.” She noted that under Biden, the U.S. has made “the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs, that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete.”
Well, yeah.
Greene incorrectly called this program “socialism,” which in fact means government ownership of production, as opposed to the government’s provision of benefits people cannot provide individually, a concept first put into practice in the United States by Abraham Lincoln and later expanded by leadership in both parties. The administration has stood firmly behind the idea—shared by LBJ and FDR, and also by Republicans Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower, among others—that investing in programs that enable working people to prosper is the best way to strengthen the economy.
Certainly, Greene’s speech didn’t seem to be the “gotcha” that she apparently hoped. A March 2023 poll by independent health policy pollster KFF, for example, found that 80% of Americans like Social Security, 81% like Medicare, and 76% like Medicaid, a large majority of members of all political parties.
The White House Twitter account retweeted a clip of Greene’s speech, writing: “Caught us. President Biden is working to make life easier for hardworking families.”