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youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:32 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 am youth, my other thought is that Fauci and Birx have been tiptoeing on all of this based on the need to not PO Trump so much that they lost influence entirely, were removed, ala what happened when the CDC gal raised alarms.

they were dancing with the devil.

Hard to imagine that they were actually ignorant on this topic....as they knew and had planned for exactly this sort of pandemic.

Appreciate the replies and engaged conversation.

I’ve had the conversation before....with others. Why do you even remotely think Fauci gives two figs about Trump. Fauci has no reason to even work anymore....he’s playing with house money.

I contend that he has zero business in the political/public scene...and should’ve stayed in the lab and never got in front of the camera. Fauci is a very smart man....so if he is not concerned with Trump....what are other ideas?

Public service?
His life's work?
His personal mission in life to save lives?
It certainly is not money!!!

I don't think you've made a compelling case that he and Birx are not both trying to keep Trump from making much greater mistakes, and to guide the White House effort as best they can given the cards they hold.

That's the best guess I've been able to come up with, that they've been advising best they could, and messaged publicly in relation to what they knew they could do and maintain positions of influence nevertheless.

I still think that they should have nevertheless found a way to tell Americans to wear cloth masks.
They really must have known this.

It wasn't a mystery.

The only other explanation would be a rather depressing thought, that they somehow felt that the American public was too selfish to do something designed not to protect oneself but rather to protect the community. There's an element of truth about our natural inclinations in this regard, as well as our cultural biases, but I think it was nevertheless underestimating the American public.

But then again, they were also daily dealing with Trump and they'd have needed him to get on board with that message...and, so, we're back to Trump not buying in.

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:00 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:21 am
Of course, he's been living in Asia these past two years where people wear masks voluntarily much of the time anyway.

In China, burping is considered a sign of gratitude, spitting in buses is common, and the face-kini is a real hit at the beach. They also steal IP.

Can't wait to be like them!

Wear a mask during a pandemic...gee, what a disturbing concept.

There’s a significant % of Americans who wake up every AM under the impression that there is an “airborne virus” outside ready to pounce on them the moment they step outdoors. Think of the emotional toll this takes on ppl who watch CNN & believe this. Many broken ppl out there.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:49 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:00 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:21 am
Of course, he's been living in Asia these past two years where people wear masks voluntarily much of the time anyway.

In China, burping is considered a sign of gratitude, spitting in buses is common, and the face-kini is a real hit at the beach. They also steal IP.

Can't wait to be like them!

Wear a mask during a pandemic...gee, what a disturbing concept.

There’s a significant % of Americans who wake up every AM under the impression that there is an “airborne virus” outside ready to pounce on them the moment they step outdoors. Think of the emotional toll this takes on ppl who watch CNN & believe this. Many broken ppl out there.

So many stupid people, ehh PB?

Nope, the 'airborne' is temporary, though in an enclosed environment the small particles can stay airborne quite awhile and be concentrated enough to deliver a viral load necessary for infection.

Anyone actually watching CNN understands this clearly. Lots and lots and lots of scientists explain what they have learned about the virus to date. Including Fauci and Birx.

I'm not sure what Fox is telling you.

Or are you just trolling again?

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

Nope, the Trumpists will claim that WHO is some leftist partisan front for China...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:54 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

Nope, the Trumpists will claim that WHO is some leftist partisan front for China...

not to worry. randomized trials hopefully give better answers on hcq and others.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 9:17 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:54 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

Nope, the Trumpists will claim that WHO is some leftist partisan front for China...

not to worry. randomized trials hopefully give better answers on hcq and others.

Agreed as to process, just not so sure that the Trumpist crew will accept results that don't fit their Trump promoted narrative. Locked in.

But I do think these processes will ultimately find other things that do help, at least somewhat.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:54 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

Nope, the Trumpists will claim that WHO is some leftist partisan front for China...

The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:54 pm

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 6:25 pm

WHO Halts Trial Of Trump’s Anti-Malaria Drug After Study Finds Higher Mortality Rate In COVID Cases

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/who- ... ovid-cases

World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu announced on Monday that the organization is temporarily suspending its drug trial of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug President Donald Trump has persistently claimed to treat COVID-19 despite having no scientific evidence.

Ghebreyesu said during a press briefing that researchers heading the WHO’s Solidarity Trial will stop the trial to hold a review after the Lancet’s sweeping study on hydroxychloroquine found that not only did the drug fail to yield any benefits in the 96,000 COVID-19 cases in the study, it actually caused an increased mortality rate among hospitalized patients.

“The review will consider data collected so far in the Solidarity Trial and in particular robust randomised available data, to adequately evaluate the potential benefits and harms from this drug,” the WHO leader said.

“The Executive Group has implemented a temporary pause of the hydroxychloroquine arm within the Solidarity Trial while the safety data is reviewed by the Data Safety Monitoring Board,” he continued.

Perhaps the end of the HCQ craze?

Nope, the Trumpists will claim that WHO is some leftist partisan front for China...

The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

yeah, it's really not Trump who has stupidly politicized HCQ.

Looks like the Trumpist claims have emerged just as I suggested.

"blind allegiance"

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:00 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:21 am
Of course, he's been living in Asia these past two years where people wear masks voluntarily much of the time anyway.

In China, burping is considered a sign of gratitude, spitting in buses is common, and the face-kini is a real hit at the beach. They also steal IP.

Can't wait to be like them!

Wear a mask during a pandemic...gee, what a disturbing concept.

I don't know about everybody else here, my wife has become obsessive compulsive about the corona virus. I get about a dozen lectures a day about washing and sanitizing my hands. There is no option for me not to wear a mask. It becomes second nature after awhile, you just do it because it is the right thing to do.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

Well of course Trump put himself "directly in front of this HCQ debate," you're stating the obvious. Both you and MDlax assume (as usual) I'm giving Trump a pass and that's not the case. I said it's a shame the issue has become so political. In spite of Trump's gratuitous involvement, that headline does not do an important issue just deserts. Leave the cheap political shots for the opinion pages. I prefer objective science sans politics, thank you.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:13 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

Well of course Trump put himself "directly in front of this HCQ debate," you're stating the obvious. Both you and MDlax assume (as usual) I'm giving Trump a pass and that's not the case. I said it's a shame the issue has become so political. In spite of Trump's gratuitous involvement, that headline does not do an important issue just deserts. Leave the cheap political shots for the opinion pages. I prefer objective science sans politics, thank you.

Another glaring irony is that the Right (or at least non-TDS victims) are the last ones left who actually value non-partisan data and nuance in this country. The Left is now simply all things are Orange Man Bad and political. Sad!

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:13 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

Well of course Trump put himself "directly in front of this HCQ debate," you're stating the obvious. Both you and MDlax assume (as usual) I'm giving Trump a pass and that's not the case. I said it's a shame the issue has become so political. In spite of Trump's gratuitous involvement, that headline does not do an important issue just deserts. Leave the cheap political shots for the opinion pages. I prefer objective science without politics, thank you.

I prefer objective science as well. At this point there is no way this HCQ will move forward with out any sort of political bias. Just will not happen in my opinion.

I did state the obvious. It was a result of reading your response and my perception to your response. Bad reading comprehension on my part? Perhaps.

I would think that the recent article published in the Lancet give a cause for pause in regards to the associated adverse side effects using this particular therapy. I am eagerly waiting for the results of a number of double blind studies to be published.

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

I'll believe that he was actually taking it when I see tangible PROOF of some kind which makes the lie evem more egregious. The statement from the WH physician only said they discussed taking it and he did not confirm he actually prescribed it. Think about that for a minute. Otherwise, just another fabrication from the Prevaricator in Chief.

As Joe Biden put it - "So much of this could have been prevented if we had a president who listened to someone other than himself."

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:39 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 4:00 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon May 25, 2020 11:21 am
Of course, he's been living in Asia these past two years where people wear masks voluntarily much of the time anyway.

In China, burping is considered a sign of gratitude, spitting in buses is common, and the face-kini is a real hit at the beach. They also steal IP.

Can't wait to be like them!

Wear a mask during a pandemic...gee, what a disturbing concept.

I don't know about everybody else here, my wife has become obsessive compulsive about the corona virus. I get about a dozen lectures a day about washing and sanitizing my hands. There is no option for me not to wear a mask. It becomes second nature after awhile, you just do it because it is the right thing to do.

+1
wise wife, wise husband to listen!

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:32 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:13 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

Well of course Trump put himself "directly in front of this HCQ debate," you're stating the obvious. Both you and MDlax assume (as usual) I'm giving Trump a pass and that's not the case. I said it's a shame the issue has become so political. In spite of Trump's gratuitous involvement, that headline does not do an important issue just deserts. Leave the cheap political shots for the opinion pages. I prefer objective science without politics, thank you.

I prefer objective science as well. At this point there is no way this HCQ will move forward with out any sort of political bias. Just will not happen in my opinion.

I did state the obvious. It was a result of reading your response and my perception to your response. Bad reading comprehension on my part? Perhaps.

I would think that the recent article published in the Lancet give a cause for pause in regards to the associated adverse side effects using this particular therapy. I am eagerly waiting for the results of a number of double blind studies to be published.

sorry, tech, you did more than make the 'shame' statement.
You then likened it to "blind allegiance" and my need for an "open mind".

HCQ has become political for ONLY ONE REASON, Trump's stupid promotion of it.

It's not the media, including this article's title, that has made reference to HCQ be "Trump's...drug".

You want to assess "shame"?
Lay it on Trump's doorstep.

When those of us who were actually listening to the scientists suggested that there needed to be controlled studies to explore efficacy and safety for HCQ (and a myriad of other potential therapies) we were lambasted on here for being naysayers, for being 'political'. The 'studies' and anecdotal stories were touted again and again as 'proving' efficacy and the claims were that we already knew it was 'safe'.

This was entirely wrongheaded and downright ignorant, but that was the hill the Trumpists were choosing to die on because Der Leader told them so...

We tried again and again to explain that those of us listening to the scientists actually would love for HCQ or another therapeutic to be proven to work and be safe, but Trumpists would have none of it. Blind allegiance to Trump or nothing...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:10 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:32 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:13 am

Bart wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:35 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:12 am The headline of this article illustrates just how political this has become. It's a shame...

Without it having anything to do with Trump, I'll wait to see more comprehensive HCQ results based on hopefully more objective and less political interests.

Your WHO comment, typically stated, reminds me of your blind allegiance to the FBI when Crossfire Hurricane and all it's ugly implications was uncovered. You really ought to have a more open mind.

Not for nothing but don't you think the POTUS put himself directly in front of this HCQ debate? He indicated it was a game changer, prior to it being vetted in a comprehensive manner. He bought upwards of 29 million doses. He recently stated he is taking it for prophylactic purposes? The efficacy of this treatment was political from the first studies that implicated it may have promise.

Perception is that it IS the POTUS's preferred treatment option. I certainly perceive that he continues to double down on the treatment. Perception is reality.......don't you think?

Well of course Trump put himself "directly in front of this HCQ debate," you're stating the obvious. Both you and MDlax assume (as usual) I'm giving Trump a pass and that's not the case. I said it's a shame the issue has become so political. In spite of Trump's gratuitous involvement, that headline does not do an important issue just deserts. Leave the cheap political shots for the opinion pages. I prefer objective science without politics, thank you.

I prefer objective science as well. At this point there is no way this HCQ will move forward with out any sort of political bias. Just will not happen in my opinion.

I did state the obvious. It was a result of reading your response and my perception to your response. Bad reading comprehension on my part? Perhaps.

I would think that the recent article published in the Lancet give a cause for pause in regards to the associated adverse side effects using this particular therapy. I am eagerly waiting for the results of a number of double blind studies to be published.

sorry, tech, you did more than make the 'shame' statement.
You then likened it to "blind allegiance" and my need for an "open mind".

HCQ has become political for ONLY ONE REASON, Trump's stupid promotion of it.

It's not the media, including this article's title, that has made reference to HCQ be "Trump's...drug".

You want to assess "shame"?
Lay it on Trump's doorstep.

When those of us who were actually listening to the scientists suggested that there needed to be controlled studies to explore efficacy and safety for HCQ (and a myriad of other potential therapies) we were lambasted on here for being naysayers, for being 'political'. The 'studies' and anecdotal stories were touted again and again as 'proving' efficacy and the claims were that we already knew it was 'safe'.

This was entirely wrongheaded and downright ignorant, but that was the hill the Trumpists were choosing to die on because Der Leader told them so...

We tried again and again to explain that those of us listening to the scientists actually would love for HCQ or another therapeutic to be proven to work and be safe, but Trumpists would have none of it. Blind allegiance to Trump or nothing...

Sorry, you own the blind allegiance to our bureaucracies and institutions (starting with the IRS) despite how they became a political weapon under Obama's admin. TDS has destroyed your ability to see...

Devastating article that should be required reading for anyone who wishes to sit in elected office. It should also be required reading by Democrats and NeverTrumpers who have zero idea that the fear they peddle has been horse-hockey.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 43253.html

To put things in perspective, the virus is now known to have an infection fatality rate for most people under 65 that is no more dangerous than driving 13 to 101 miles per day.

Yet we put billions of young healthy people under house arrest, stopped cancer screenings, and sunk ourselves into the worst level of unemployment since the Great Depression. This from a virus that bears a survival rate of 99.99% if you are a healthy individual under 50 years old

China concealed the extent of the viral outbreak, which, if you believed its data, led many scientists to believe that 2% to 5% of all infected patients would die. This turned out to be off by a factor of 10, but academic epidemiologists have a history of wildly-off-the-mark doomsday predictions.

This response is the biggest unforced policy error in the the modern era. And it was committed not by just one advanced nation, but the vast majority. A good reminder of how dangerously dumb groupthink is.


Never put your money with conventional 'wisdom', never.

Pence has been careful not to step in it. But he did say this on April 24: “I think honestly, if you look at the trends today, that I think by Memorial Day weekend we will have this coronavirus epidemic behind us.”