Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:00 pm
Would you rather them wear jerk hats?
Would you rather them wear jerk hats?
I have no preference for what they wear. Just trying to understand their thinking. Based on what I have seen, they are clearly trying to send the message that "we will take up our guns if we don't get our way". Bad tactic / strategy. They are going to have to compromise, attempted intimidation is just going to harden their opposition more. It's a lie that society is trying to confiscate their guns. If they continue along that line of thought (and attack) they will come to a bad ending and may just convince society to confiscate their guns.
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:42 pm 20,000 gun toting 2A patriots and not one act of violence (let alone shots fired!).
https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/va ... n-richmond
The Moms Demand, Black Lives Matter, or AntiFa rallies happen (all Dems) and Rite Aids get burned down, stores get looted, innocent bystanders get beaten up.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- ... escalates/
Oh the irony.
And the obvious conclusions.
FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.
He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.
"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:34 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:42 pm 20,000 gun toting 2A patriots and not one act of violence (let alone shots fired!).
https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/va ... n-richmond
The Moms Demand, Black Lives Matter, or AntiFa rallies happen (all Dems) and Rite Aids get burned down, stores get looted, innocent bystanders get beaten up.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals- ... escalates/
Oh the irony.
And the obvious conclusions.
Now you're getting into the "terror threat" thread and away from the topic of gun control.
FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.
He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.
"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
The far left wing is out there doing a little bit of looting and beating up, while the far right wing is shooting up synagogues, churches, running over protesters and more.
Such a tired, predictable and absolute false reply with nothing to back it up. The right falls back on suppression via liberty, speech and body all the time. That's why we created this nation in the first place with guarantees to life and liberty, free speech and more. This was a much more progressive idea than the English system we left behind. What specific policies put forward by the left in the past few decades has lead to suppression of liberty, speech and body? Since they "always" fall back on it?Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:36 pmThe easiest way to determine this would be to ask any sane human if they would feel safer marching amongst 2A supporters, or inside an Antifa rally. The Left always falls back on suppression, via liberty/speech/or body, eventually. No one wants a leftist society...for good reason. Have a gander at Venezuela to see what Bernie's policies would do here.
If you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-lawsPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:46 pm A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.
Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.
Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.
To be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seemsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:51 pmIf you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-lawsPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:46 pm A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.
Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.
Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2
Interesting data. Thanks for that. I do find it interesting that they say XYZ supports more restrictions on guns while several surveys ask specific questions regarding hand guns. Sorry pet peeve.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:51 pmIf you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-lawsPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:46 pm A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.
Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.
Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2
I am fine with it. No reason for the police to put guns confiscated during a crime back on the street.
holmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:29 pmTo be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seemsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:51 pmIf you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-lawsPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:46 pm A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.
Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.
Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2
The first sentence mentioning the poll was fine. The next five are 100% trolling.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:56 amholmes435 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:29 pmTo be honest he doesn't respond to actual conversation, nuanced or non-nuanced debate. He ignores data, and is mostly intent on provocation with outright lies. As fun as it is to identify everything wrong with his arguments again and again, it might be time to disengage as a forum. He's here mostly to troll it seemsTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:51 pmIf you say so: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... t-gun-lawsPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:46 pm A YouGov poll released in 2018 found that half of all Dems want to outlaw “all” guns, and a majority were in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether.
Democrats generally don’t understand that gun ownership is a bulwark against government feeling free to strip you of your rights. Smarter Democrats understand this perfectly. Which is why they will do everything in their power to take your guns from you.
Fascism and authoritarianism anyways spring from collectivism. Resist it and stay free.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... 29/4b9cc/2
Ummm, I think I posted a data point in my original post.
"trolling" = mentioning facts and common sense that can't square with the lunatic left's head fakes. Tell an online Lefty his Party wants to take all guns, they say, 'no we don't'. Ask 2,000 Dems if they want to take all guns, 50% say yup. Interesting. Must be trolling.